Thread: Question about astral traveling

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

I have a question for all the people who believe in astral travel. In other words people who believe that when a person allegedly astral travels it is more than just a dream and that some part of them actually leaves their body.

My question is

Can animals astral travel?

If so, which animals can and which can't?

Opinions please.

I have no god damn idea. Am am not a fish.

I have read that yes, animals can astral travel. I believe it's all animals but I can't be 100% sure.

I know domestic pets have been sighted during astral travel, seemingly doing their own astral travel.

It makes sense to me, maybe not to everyone though. x.o

So every animal can do it, but only a few of us can due to dedication and hard work?

I think that no animals can't. They can dream - maybe even lucid but I doubt it.

Originally Posted by zombies_on_parades

I have read that yes, animals can astral travel. I believe it's all animals but I can't be 100% sure.

I know domestic pets have been sighted during astral travel, seemingly doing their own astral travel.

It makes sense to me, maybe not to everyone though. x.o

Wow! what about plants?
Im sure they've been sighted during astral travel too...
I suppose they probably travel pretty slowly... not having legs and all.

I think my goldfish astral travels, but im not so sure about my pet snails, they are quite skeptical about those sort of things.

OK, so I'm not quite a believer and not quite a non believer... I'm an open minded skeptic

But I like the question in the thread, since I'm a huge animal lover AND because I've had some wierd exps with my crazy cat. Once, I've felt her come on my bed at night (while she was locked in her crate) I also saw her with three eyes in a VERY intense LD once - one DV member suggested it was her astral eye. She was also in a LD where I was in my apt, I was kind of hovering around. I opened the patio door for her. When I woke up, she was outside on the patio (and no one else was home) weird huh?

So my question is, if the AP exists and if animals can go there, how do you know they are APing? Because someone has seen animals there? How do you see an animal astral traveling?

Come on all you astral travel experts! Enlighten me!

Where are all the people who believe in ghosts, precognition, telepathy, astrology and third eyes and who are always spouting on with supposed authority about said topics? A couple of you above seem to know something, so it must be true that animals can astral travel. We've established that now. Surely there must be more experts out there. Come on... get involved! Here is an opportunity to stand out from the crowd and establish yourself as an important authority!

Even spaceexplorer is cashing in on this marvellous opportunity to stand in the limelight as someone with special knowledge and a rare gift. Surely you're not going to let an annoying skeptic like him have all the glory?

So did the dinosaurs astral travel? Can a virus? A woolly mammoth? A nit?

And do you think these creatures could communicate with dead family members? Or do you think that when they died they just ceased to be conscious?

Oh dear, did I just say "ceased to be conscious"? Is that Beyond Dreaming Blasphemy? Sorry if it is... I guess they go to animal heaven... or something... anyway moving right on...

Please impart your great wisdom here fellow dreamers!

(And if you don't know anything about animal astralling then just make some shit up and state it as fact!)

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

So did the dinosaurs astral travel? Can a virus? A woolly mammoth? A nit?

Personally, I am not sure. However the possibilities could provide the basis of an hilarious science fiction/fantasy story .

all you skeptics, why come in "beyond" dreaming with such sarcasm. do you feel that strongly about the subject lol?

afraid of the unknown? sometimes you just need to experience things yourself, and that's as simple as it gets.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

all you skeptics, why come in "beyond" dreaming with such sarcasm. do you feel that strongly about the subject lol?

afraid of the unknown? sometimes you just need to experience things yourself, and that's as simple as it gets.

So......no answer then?

Why do I post? Because I actively campaigned to have proper debate and discussion allowed for BD type topics.

I believe that Lucid dreaming itself is such a trippy fantastic subject itself that the vunerable or the young might readily try and attach spiritual significance to it after reading one side of a (previously) censored debate.

Originally Posted by moonshine

I believe that Lucid dreaming itself is such a trippy fantastic subject itself that the vunerable or the young might readily try and attach spiritual significance to it after reading one side of a (previously) censored debate.

Why would it be bad to attach spiritual significance to a LD?

afraid of the unknown? sometimes you just need to experience things yourself, and that's as simple as it gets

Why oh why do so many people seem to have the impression that just because you're a bit skeptic it equals being afraid of [insert subject here]? How can asking for evidence or some kind of rational explanation have anything to do with being afraid of it? Is it so bad to try and rationalize something before believing in it? I might think the concept/idea is very cool (which is is), but there's no way near enough logical viewpoints to support the idea (and subjective experience isn't reliable when you have to link it with science).

Either way, yes, it may just require personal experience to change viewpoint, but when it's linked to something like lucid dreaming, or just dreaming in general, I find it hard to use that as a reliable source, as we all know our wonderful minds can, quite literally, mindfuck us

But what do I know, I'm not saying this is not something that some people really can do and/or experience, I couldn't possibly know that, yes it could be real for all I know, but until I've experienced something like that myself, or it actually gets some serious evidence laid out, then I'm just gonna hold back ^^

Originally Posted by Xetrov

Why would it be bad to attach spiritual significance to a LD?

Because you might start of as a kid who had a cool dream, have your head turned with some trippy (and unvalidated) opinions and suddenly find you collect crystals, unicorn paintings, believe in living dream characters, evil entities, astral planes, OBE's and alien abductions.

Originally Posted by SomeDreamer

Why oh why do so many people seem to have the impression that just because you're a bit skeptic it equals being afraid of [insert subject here]? How can asking for evidence or some kind of rational explanation have anything to do with being afraid of it? Is it so bad to try and rationalize something before believing in it? I might think the concept/idea is very cool (which is is), but there's no way near enough logical viewpoints to support the idea (and subjective experience isn't reliable when you have to link it with science).

Either way, yes, it may just require personal experience to change viewpoint, but when it's linked to something like lucid dreaming, or just dreaming in general, I find it hard to use that as a reliable source, as we all know our wonderful minds can, quite literally, mindfuck us

But what do I know, I'm not saying this is not something that some people really can do and/or experience, I couldn't possibly know that, yes it could be real for all I know, but until I've experienced something like that myself, or it actually gets some serious evidence laid out, then I'm just gonna hold back ^^

Very good post.

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

I have a question for all the people who believe in astral travel. In other words people who believe that when a person allegedly astral travels it is more than just a dream and that some part of them actually leaves their body.

My question is

Can animals astral travel?

If so, which animals can and which can't?

Opinions please.

Humans ARE animals.. And indeed we travel astrally..

Originally Posted by G0MPgomp

Humans ARE animals.. And indeed we travel astrally..

So for what purpose do we or animals astrally travel? Btw, are you the gomp from shroomery?

Originally Posted by moonshine

Because you might start of as a kid who had a cool dream, have your head turned with some trippy (and unvalidated) opinions and suddenly find you collect crystals, unicorn paintings, believe in living dream characters, evil entities, astral planes, OBE's and alien abductions.

Lol yeah that wouldn't be very good. But it doesn't mean all people who are open to explore possibilities of a spiritual nature are goofy believers like that. Besides, crystals are beautiful, nothing wrong with collecting those I think...

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

I have a question for all the people who believe in astral travel. In other words people who believe that when a person allegedly astral travels it is more than just a dream and that some part of them actually leaves their body.

My question is

Can animals astral travel?

As someone else said, humans are animals. I agree, humans are indistinguishable from a somewhat intelligent tool-using animal.

If so, which animals can and which can't?

They say we all have part of ourselves in the astral world, not a question of getting there rather of becoming lucid to the fact that we are.

But if it's a case of some creatures can't and some can, I would think whales and dolphins could. They have relatively large and intelligent brains. They experience rem sleep which is definitely lucid dreaming, because they need to let only half of their brains sleep at a time, because otherwise they'd drown. And they spend most of their time half-asleep.

Opinions please.

Of course.

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

My question is
Can animals astral travel?
If so, which animals can and which can't?
Opinions please.

From the logic point of view, if one believes that all dreams are take place on astral plane, then yes, if one believes that astral projection should be obtained via WILD like methods, then it is very doubtful, and if one think that astral travelling requires your soul which is understood the same as consciousness, then obviously no, because animals have not developed introspective consciousness like we do (I am not sure about elephants, dolphins and some primates).

As you see, a lot depends on what exactly believes aforementioned astral believer .