Thread: OOBE (vibrational state)

are you getting confused with WILD?

OOBEs are just vivid dreams. don't believe in them. load o crap.

I believe in them

Originally posted by Techboy
are you getting confused with WILD?

OOBEs are just vivid dreams. don't believe in them. load o crap.

For someone that hasn't remembered one single dream for the last half of this year, I know the focking difference. It doesn't matter what science or whomever else believes about them, it's what you can personally gain from them. (I used to think the same before I had one. It was amazing. I was in a totally rational mind yet I could SEE THROUGH MY FRICKIN' EYELIDS.)

Please change your signature, it's way outta the limits for height.

Well for first the vibration state isnt the goal when trying to WILD or OBE. Its just a bump in the road. The first time i got to the vibration stage, (didnt get past it cause i was terrified, but thats another story) i said "get out my mind" over and over and over and over. Cause ive read it in a book right before going to bed. I just sticked to it and at the same time passivly observing. After a while i just had the vibrations. Whatever you do just stick to it without thinking of anything else. And do not think about analysing the sitiuation. Just focus.

Ok, I've said this in a bunch of posts but I'll say it again here. When you are WILDing and get those vibrations you are actually in a trancelike state where often people think they are having OBEs but really are just FAKE OBEs...I know, because I was one of those people. It's happened to me a dozen times. I'd be laying there, vibrating...and I'd think, ok lift your head up or sit up, and I would. One time I even got all the way out of my body and was able to walk around Quasimotto style. But these are really just strange dreams(?) that come from being in this hypnotic/trancelike state. In fact, real OBEs occur in the deepest stages of sleep, where few are able to retain consciousness and is often why people have them during near death experiences. Good luck with the WILDs though.

The vibrational state usually occurs just before or upon returning from an OBE. I've had involuntay AP's and OBE's throughout my entire life since the age of 6. 90% of the time I retain complete consciousness. It is definitely not some sort of dream. If you don't know the difference than you've probably never had one. I hear too many people regurgitating what they've been told and OBE is though they've never experienced one for themselves. It is possible for one to begin to lose consciousness for three reasons:
1.) They begin to travel too fast to hold consciousness.
2.) They've projected to a higher plane other than the astral, possibly the mental.
3.) They weren't able to hold it or to quite gain consiousness. (So close but no cigar.)

There are dreams that are similiar to lucid dreams where you may think you are having an OBE. But basically if you aren't sure, you haven't had one. But reaching the vibrational state is definitely a step in the right direction. OBE's and AP's are EXTREMELY difficult to self induce. Most people who experience them have them sporadically and involuntarily and the first time generally scares the crap out them as it did me as well. It's not a cool, surreal, fuzzy, floating dream. It's a hardcore, in your face, bend on reality. For a moment, minutes, or hours you exist in a place that represents the "full" scope of reality as we don't yet know it. The laws of this world don't apply. You move differently, you "see" differently, you "exist" differently. Most of the time you feel so much more awake(conscious), more alive, more terrified, more awestruckmore mystery come to life than you could ever possibly experience while awake. You see in more depth, clarity, and wholeness. There are no blocks, or boundaries. It is an experience that alters the way you look at life. From that point on you "know" without a doubt that there is more than this three dimensional reality. That is why I say you'll know when you have one.

I see so many trying to rush to add this to their list of accomplishments, but I ask you to be cautious and really think about why you want to have one so badly. It's fine to want to experiment and try to induce them but keep in mind that most do not have a pleasant experience the first time, or first few times. Some people never conquer their fear after the first one and subsequently never have another. It is a very sobering experience. But it can also be very awesome, magical, and soul enriching once you get passed the introduction and learn how to navigate it.

I hope I didn't come across as belittling. I didn't mean that at all. I just hope everyone really respects the awesomeness of it all. Our waking realm is only a fraction of what exists beyond. You're mind has to be ready for it if you want to succeed at it.

Take Care and Good Luck,

I agree with reikigirl. The vibrations are not only the path to LD, but OBEs to. OBE and Lucid Dreaming is two sides of the same coin. One goes out, the other goes inwards. Ive had a few OBEs and many more LDs. From my point of view they are quite like, but at the same time totaly differnt. Yes its also possible to be a consciouss duplication during delta sleep. But the integration process have to happen at milder sleep, when the body is around drowsy wakefulness/dreaming, when the dreamparalysation turns off. This way one is more likely to remember more.

Then the whole proof thing comes into play around about here, there is an argument about it and basically it turns out that we (you) don't have any proof, so the claim is sort of on the level of "pink flying elephants are real", if you get what I mean.

For someone who has experienced an OOBE I believe in them. I cannot force anyone to believe in them. I know you will never until you have had one. Also, you do not have to reach the vibration stage. I found a good time to go into an OOBE is during a lucid dream. I try often in lucid dreams right as I wake up. That is sort of a short cut past the vibration stage.

Originally posted by Kaniaz
Then the whole proof thing comes into play around about here, there is an argument about it and basically it turns out that we (you) don't have any proof, so the claim is sort of on the level of \"pink flying elephants are real\", if you get what I mean.

I agree.

Damn. Where the hell is LucidApple when you need him.

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Dunno actually, I like the guy. He knows tons about EEG machines or whatever you call them.

Originally posted by Kaniaz
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Dunno actually, I like the guy. He knows tons about EEG machines or whatever you call them.

Me too.

dreaming, oobe they are all the same thing.

one must define what sleep is.

Noone really knows. But many beileve that it is your astral body splitting with your physical body in order to "recharge" it self and replenish your "psychic" energy (sp?)

Perhaps lucid dreaming is A.P. and the deeper cycles are Ethereal projection. But There are things you can go to while lucid dreaming that you can hold with you beyond the dream itself.

It's amazing.

I had vibrations and the loud *fingernails on the chalkboard* sound when I had my first few oobes, but now I no longer feel vibrations nor hear sounds. *

What I experience now is a subtle but distinctive *shift* in my consciousness. When this shift occurs, I simply wait until I know that I can roll out. *The knowing of when I can roll out is something that has come from practice and from trial and error.

I've missed many opportunities to go oob due to waiting around for vibrations or for sounds to either start or grow stronger.

I think both the onset of WILD and OBE's can have a vibrational state.

Originally posted by Techboy
are you getting confused with WILD?

OOBEs are just vivid dreams. don't believe in them. load o crap.

Before I could Lucid dream it was an unknown. I had an LD. It then was a known!

Who is to say that OBE's are any differant? Is it because they are harder to believe based on our narrow mind set?

If you really want to have an OOBE here is how I did it. First you need to get into the state where you are paralized right before waking up. You most likely have had this happen before. Now this is the only time you can leave your body from what I can tell. You may also be able to reach this state through meditation I am guessing. You have to be completely detached from you body to do this. You can't simply lay there in bed and tell yourself to leave your body. You can get into this paralized state through lucid dreaming while waking yourself up carefully. Either way, it is very hard, requires a lot of luck in timing, and won't come right away. Just try to remember the next time you are in that paralized state to leave your body. You need to will yourself out of your body, not try to actually move. It is difficult, but it can be done.

Originally posted by Clairity
I had vibrations and the loud *fingernails on the chalkboard* sound when I had my first few oobes, but now I no longer feel vibrations nor hear sounds.

What I experience now is a subtle but distinctive *shift* in my consciousness. When this shift occurs, I simply wait until I know that I can roll out. The knowing of when I can roll out is something that has come from practice and from trial and error.

I've missed many opportunities to go oob due to waiting around for vibrations or for sounds to either start or grow stronger.

Hmm, in an OOBE you would literally be out of your body. You would not roll out, you would pull yourself out. I should ask you, do you feel completely weightless, having no feeling of having any kind of body? Are you able to go wherever you want at whatever speed you will yourself to go? Can you feel heat if you interact with your body? Does everything look EXACTLY like it does when you are awake? I mean not even the smallest thing can be different. It has to be exactly the same. All of these must be the case to have had an OOBE. If one was not then you astral projected. An astral projection is like a very very realistic lucid dream. Although it is very realistic, you can easily tell it is not.

Originally posted by Crucible
Hmm, in an OOBE you would literally be out of your body. You would not roll out, you would pull yourself out. I should ask you, do you feel completely weightless, having no feeling of having any kind of body? Are you able to go wherever you want at whatever speed you will yourself to go? Can you feel heat if you interact with your body? Does everything look EXACTLY like it does when you are awake? I mean not even the smallest thing can be different. It has to be exactly the same. All of these must be the case to have had an OOBE. If one was not then you astral projected. An astral projection is like a very very realistic lucid dream. Although it is very realistic, you can easily tell it is not.

Everyone's experience is their own and unique. I myself cannot go out of body by "projecting" myself out. I also have not been able to pull myself out via the rope technique. The only way I have been able to separate from my body is to roll my astral body out of the physical. When my body is in sleep paralysis, I literally roll out of my body, off the couch and onto the floor. Do I feel heat from my body.. not that I recall.. but once while rolling out my astral arm hit the coffee table but there was no pain. Did the room look exactly the same.. yes it did.

From what I've read, OOBEs and Astral Projections are considered by some to be the same thing. They are simply different approaches to the same experience, the projection of one's consciousness from the physical body.

Below are just a few of the different definitions I was able to find for Astral Projection and OOBEs:

** OOB refers specifically to sending ALL of your consciousness out of your body, so that you are no longer FULLY aware of your body. **

** Astral Projection is an occult or esoteric term which suggests that a portion of the Self, the "astral body" is "projected" out of the physical body. **

** Astral Projection is a broader term which can cover simply projecting your ENERGY to a target location in order to sense or manipulate the environment there, something like a remote control robot, or like being in two places at once. **

** Many people use the two terms interchangeably. Some claim that an AP takes place in one dimension with certain characteristics, and other projections, "etheric" and so forth, take place in other dimensions. **

I think I most agree with the following:

** Some regard going OOB as getting out of one's body and going somewhere in the PHYSICAL world. Astral Projection however is often associated with going to NON-physical realities. **

As I stated, it is my personal belief that, as every person is different, so can be their spiritual experiences. I second-guess no one and I pass no judgements.. I'm just grateful they felt safe enough to share them with me.

When I say OOBE I am using the words literally. I mean that you are actually out of your body. If you were able to touch something then you were not out of your body. You would become etheral.

Listen, I am just going to stop right there because it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue about OOBE if someone has not experienced it yet. Almost every single person who claims they have, really had a lucid dream or astral projection. Once you experience it you will have the EXACT same experience. It is the same for everyone.

Originally posted by Crucible
When I say OOBE I am using the words literally. I mean that you are actually out of your body.

Since neither of us are experts on going OOB I decided to check with two of the foremost authors who are: William Buhlman (Adventures Beyond the Body.. How to Experience Out-Of-Body Travel) and Robert Bruce (Astral Dynamics - A New Approach to Out-Of-Body Experience).

Per Buhlman (pg 7), \"In 1972 the term out-of body experience had not even been coined; back then, the most common description was astral projection.\"

Per Bruce (pg 541), \"Out-of Body Experience (OBE): Where consciousness is perceived as existing and operating outside its physical body. Also called OOBE, projection, or astral projection.\"

Originally posted by Crucible
If you were able to touch something then you were not out of your body. You would become etheral.

Per Buhlman (pg 33), I also recognized that breathing was no longer necessay and that sensations of temperature appeared non-existent. Even though I experienced no sensation of temperature, I did have a sense of touch and could feel objects and even feel my grip. In addition, while my sense of hearing remained the same, my sense of taste appeared to be absent. Later I was to discover that all five senses are available if we focus on them.\"

(pg 263), \"Will I be able to see, hear and feel as I do now? In your early out-of-body explorations, you will most likely experience your surroundings with a physical-like perception.\"

Per Bruce (pge 100), The projected double uses the same basic senses as the physical body, albeit at a greatly enhanced level. It can still see and hear and smell and taste and touch, but through direct energetic mind sensing. For example, the projected double can receive light energy directly, without needing physical eyes, although it must of course have experience with sight to translate this energy in a visual way.\"

(pg 346), \"Falling was interesting, as it seemed to happen in slow motion. I would feel a kind of slow and heavy impact when I hit the ground.\"

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What I experience now is a subtle but distinctive *shift* in my consciousness. When this shift occurs, I simply wait until I know that I can roll out. The knowing of when I can roll out is something that has come from practice and from trial and error.

Hmm, in an OOBE you would literally be out of your body. You would not roll out, you would pull yourself out.[/b]

Per Buhlman (pg 166), \"Rolling out. This method is extremely effective. After you recognize the vibrational state, you simply do a sideways roll. As weird as this may sound, it gets to be fun. Several people have told me that they rolled off the physical bed and fell to the floor laughing to themselves. This method is used effectively be many people; author Robert Monroe states in his book Far Journey that he often uses a rolling technique when separating from his first-energy body and moving to his second energy form.\"

Per Bruce (pg 272), \"Rolling out of the body is a popular and reasonably effective projection technique. It makes use of a natural whole-of-body awareness movement - that of rolling over or out of bed - something you have done thousands of times.\"

Originally posted by Crucible
Does everything look EXACTLY like it does when you are awake? I mean not even the smallest thing can be different. It has to be exactly the same. All of these must be the case to have had an OOBE. If one was not then you astral projected. An astral projection is like a very very realistic lucid dream. Although it is very realistic, you can easily tell it is not.

Per Buhlman (pg 263), \"What does the out-of-body environment look like? The environment perceived depends upon the vibrations frequency (density) of the participant. Many people report a physical-like environment. This environment does not necessarily correspond to their immediate physical environment.\"

Per Bruce (pg 453), \"There are no simple explanations for the underlying causes of the reality fluctuations that plague real-time projectors shortly after their exit out of body. In most cases, especially with new projectors, reality starts to fluctuate only a couple of minutes after the exit. Reality fluctuations are more noticeable during real-time projections, especially inside projectors own houses, as the details of this area are well known.\"

(pg 454), \"For example, if an object, shape, or shadow is vaguely seen during a projection, the surface mind will often guess what it is, even if the projector is not thinking about it. This can stimulate the subconscious mind into altering the object, or into creating form to fit whatever has been half-guessed.\"

Originally posted by Crucible
Listen, I am just going to stop right there because it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue about OOBE if someone has not experienced it yet. Almost every single person who claims they have, really had a lucid dream or astral projection. Once you experience it you will have the EXACT same experience. It is the same for everyone.

You're right, it is impossible to argue about OOBEs if someone has not experienced them yet.

I too am done now.





(2/28 10:08 pm - I fixed a typo)

The Monroe institute has a lot of information on OBEs.
And the founder, Robert A. Moroe has a few books out there as well.
Jounerys out of the Body, Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey. Which I am have way through reading right now.

ok well i felt bad for you guys, im going too suggest reading astral dynamic by robert bruce because its a very good book, anyways oobe and astral projection are different. now, what you need too understand is when you oobe everything is not the same as it is in the physical, its SIMILAr. when you obe you are percieving reality threw your mind. now reality exists on different vibrational states, obe is higher than the physical, the astral is higher than were your at when you obe,now there are many higher levels but im not going into that. now if you would like too do one of these, i suggest meditation, meditate and think nothing, stay in this starte untill after the vibrational state has stoped, you will get too a state of mind that is right next too sleep, you may even drift in and out, now you want too get very very close too this border, and this is were you can obe/astral project. most people cant directly project too the astral untill there proficiant at oobe, but too get too the astral its pretty easy too just obe, and then go to the astral.

Howetzer, I don't have any of Robert Monroe's books but I do have the Monroe Institute's "The Gateway Experience Waves of Change Series" and their "Lucid Dreaming Series". Both sets consist of 6 tapes that utilize Hemi-Sync frequencies and provide training in deep relaxation and help you to experience different levels of consciousness.

Avatar186, I agree that Astral Dynamics is a good book which is why I quoted it. It definately takes a while to absorb it all (my issue has 551 pages)! I also appreciate what you wrote about the different vibrational states.

Thank you both for posting. :-)