Lucid Dreaming - Miracles

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09-10-2009, 07:18 PM
Windowlicker

Lucid Dreaming - Miracles

To me it seems possible that lucidity in dreaming is comparable to enlightenment while awake. The two have an eerie connection on so many levels. If this is true then that would explain miracles done by enlightened people.

"Don't worry, this is just a dream."

Now I'm not saying our body is lying somewhere else and this is all in our head.(though I wouldn't rule that out) I'm saying that in the same way you react in a dream when you realize that it is a dream, you could apply that to rl.

What do you guys think?
09-10-2009, 07:30 PM
The Cusp

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Originally Posted by Windowlicker

To me it seems possible that lucidity in dreaming is comparable to enlightenment while awake. The two have an eerie connection on so many levels. If this is true then that would explain miracles done by enlightened people.

"Don't worry, this is just a dream."

Now I'm not saying our body is lying somewhere else and this is all in our head.(though I wouldn't rule that out) I'm saying that in the same way you react in a dream when you realize that it is a dream, you could apply that to rl.

What do you guys think?

Actually, studies have been done where they measured the brainwaves of people lucid dreaming and people who reach an intense meditative state. The two states were nearly identical.
09-10-2009, 08:38 PM
spaceexplorer

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Actually, studies have been done where they measured the brainwaves of people lucid dreaming and people who reach an intense meditative state. The two states were nearly identical.

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09-10-2009, 09:03 PM
DreamQueen

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Originally Posted by Windowlicker

(though I wouldn't rule that out)

I would.
09-10-2009, 10:02 PM
The Cusp

http://spiritwatch.ca/physiolo.htm

http://books.google.ca/books?id=eV5g...%20EEG&f=false

http://sawka.com/spiritwatch/lucidmed.htm
09-11-2009, 11:12 PM
Windowlicker

Interesting, thank you for the link/info.

:)
09-11-2009, 11:12 PM
Windowlicker

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Originally Posted by DreamQueen

I would.

Why?
09-12-2009, 12:31 AM
mentalenforcer

As most religions have proven, words written down long ago are irrefutable. This, applied to "row, row, row your boat..." demonstrates waking life to be a dream.
09-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Robot_Butler

It would be a disaster if someone had "life control" the way we have "dream control." Reality would be at the mercy of our wacky subconscious schemata. Have you ever seen the movie, "The Sphere?"
09-12-2009, 12:39 AM
mentalenforcer

I have noticed entering a state, though not enlightenment, may have been a step in that direction. I felt as though I was dreaming lucidly, yet I was aware of the fact that I was awake. I felt like I knew exactly how to fly except my body weighed thousands of times what I felt I could lift. Unfortunately I didn't have a sensitive scale nearby to test this with.
09-12-2009, 12:43 AM
mentalenforcer

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

It would be a disaster if someone had "life control" the way we have "dream control."

Well, for the others, yes.
09-12-2009, 05:59 PM
Eonnn

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

It would be a disaster if someone had "life control" the way we have "dream control." Reality would be at the mercy of our wacky subconscious schemata. Have you ever seen the movie, "The Sphere?"

Yeah i've seen that movie and know what you mean. What would happen if you had the ability to manifest things using your mind (supposebly gonna happen after 2012) and you thought of something bad? your trying to manifest an apple and suddenly you think of a zombie... uh-oh. Reminds me of the movie Akira where at the end he can't help himself from mutating into a monster. You would hope that being enlightened would negate this and mean it wouldn't happen because you have mastered your mind or woteva.
09-12-2009, 06:49 PM
The Cusp

It wouldn't work like that. Even if one person thought of zombies, there are millions of other people who think zombies aren't real. It would work much like, well, reality!
09-13-2009, 06:23 AM
Eonnn

how the hell do you know that? do you have this power? no. what makes you think you couldn't manifest things that aren't real? just because it hasn't happened yet or hasn't been made yet doesn't mean it can't be real.
09-13-2009, 04:26 PM
The Cusp

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Originally Posted by Eonnn

how the hell do you know that?

Because the rules of dream control apply to real life just as much as they do in dreams. I tend to think dreams are an expression of duality, the waveform counterpart to the solid particle real of the real world.

But matter exists first as a waveform and only collapses into solid for upon being observed, so control over those waveform should still apply to waking reality.

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Originally Posted by Eonnn

do you have this power? no.

You're making my point for me. I do have this power, but it's difficult for me to use because you have this power as well, and you're using yours to limit what I can do with mine.

If two beings of infinite power try to manifest opposing goals, who wins? The end result would be the consensus of the majority, whether they are aware of thier power of not, making the individual's role seem irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Eonnn

what makes you think you couldn't manifest things that aren't real? just because it hasn't happened yet or hasn't been made yet doesn't mean it can't be real.

Say what? I do think I can manifest things. Doesn't mean they aren't real, I make them real. That's one of the underlying principles of my controversial "Nature of Dream Control" thread which is currently sitting at over 21 thousand views. http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=57283 I engineered that view count, manifested it.
09-13-2009, 04:33 PM
Eonnn

oh I see what you are saying now Cusp. I thought you were saying its impossible to manifest a zombie because they aren't real. But what your saying is that it wouldn't happen unless everyone was trying to manifest a zombie. Is that right?

While I do believe we create our realities on a subconscious level, and that our creations are influenced by what other people are also manifesting. I believe when we become fully conscious of this process and are able to do it on a conscious level whenever we like, that we are then able to create whatever we like.
09-13-2009, 04:55 PM
The Cusp

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Originally Posted by Eonnn

oh I see what you are saying now Cusp. I thought you were saying its impossible to manifest a zombie because they aren't real. But what your saying is that it wouldn't happen unless everyone was trying to manifest a zombie. Is that right?

Yes, but it doesn't have to be everyone, a sizeable group could probably pull it off, as demonstrated in group consciousness experiments. But you'd need to be aware of how dreams work in order to use it effectively.

There was a woman on Coast to Coast AM talking about one she did involving thousands of people who intended to reduce the amount of violence in Sri Lanka. Their efforts instead generated 5 times more violent crimes than usual on the night in question. An unprecedented amount of violence.

That's because "Not" has no meaning in dreams. If you walk around a lucid dreams repeating "There are NOT going to be zombies, there are NOT going to be zombies..." over and over, it's only a matter of time before you get zombies in the dream.

That's because you are still invoking the archetype of zombies. They mistake she made was focusing on violence rather than peace.

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Originally Posted by Eonnn

While I do believe we create our realities on a subconscious level, and that our creations are influenced by what other people are also manifesting. I believe when we become fully conscious of this process and are able to do it on a conscious level whenever we like, that we are then able to create whatever we like.

Me too. The problem is learning to take responsibility for what you manifest. The things that make us angry in other people are aspects of ourselves we don't like, and it's difficult to accept that and stop blaming things outside of ourselves.
09-20-2009, 11:31 AM
Phantasos

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Say what? I do think I can manifest things. Doesn't mean they aren't real, I make them real. That's one of the underlying principles of my controversial "Nature of Dream Control" thread which is currently sitting at over 21 thousand views. http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=57283 I engineered that view count, manifested it.

Efforts Magick, huh? ;)
09-20-2009, 10:30 PM
Jabrol2001

:O my mind just got blown :shock:
09-21-2009, 04:47 AM
Baron Samedi

TheCusp, I can't explain it, but some of your posts make me laugh even though you're not making a joke.

I have been practicing lucid living, trying to meditate in everything I do. Our minds are a lot more powerful than many of us believe they are.
09-21-2009, 07:03 PM
mowglycdb

I'm also interested in this stuff. If people know how to correctly use their minds special events happen :P I've thinked about being able to do somethings, and after 2 or 3 weeks (sometimes) the conditions to do it get fulfilled , it's cool. Ofcourse the time depends on the task.