Make peoples around you lucid tutorial

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10-03-2009, 07:29 PM
Dovanele

Make peoples around you lucid tutorial
Hi everybody,
Last night I have a dream and make about 7 people lucid and I made some theory about dreams and our sleep world.

Theory1: Everyone in our dream can be a real person or just a fiction. In a dream you can easily manipulate with fiction objects (transform, make disappear…) people usually resist to that (people must be a little bit lucid). Most of people are like robots not lucid in the dream. There is information that many of us ever had a lucid dream and some of us do this permanently without knowing what it is, so if you remove the fiction, then you will see only real people.

How to know is there a real people or just a fiction (non lucid people are usually weak, so they can be considered as a fiction
To make people lucid there are many ways. I think the best is amazement. Fight usually easy can evolve into a nightmare and that makes some people angry, so usually dream ends with fight (so this way is not good). This will work in this way:
1. Say loud for all - “is here people who can control their dream now?”. If someone answers it can be a lucid person.
2. Distract people from their own dream objects (use magic, try to talk, make disappear they attention object)
3. Say loud for all - “you are all dreaming now”.
4. Try to make disappear then one of your dream characters to check is it a real person or just a fiction. Don’t use too many strength when trying to make disappear.
5. Look at the characters if some of them began to do something unusual it can be a lucid person.
6. If character resist to disappearing try to talk to him and say couple of times (“hi”, you know that you are dreaming?” “do you need evidence that you are dreaming now?”, “Who are you”).
7. Give few second to realize him that is a dream.
8. If he answered it can be real person. Sometimes they begin to fly, teleportation, summon things…
9. Most people lucid level is very low they won’t do anything unusual; they can only answer some question. Obviously the goal to make lucid the skilled peoples who are around you.
At this time I used a disappearance tactic because it a peacefully tactic. Peacefully tactics means no extra damage are done to dream character or environment. “Angry” methods just lead to chaotic fighting. Usually people attacking person treat like a “demon” and lead into a chaos. On my personal experience fight interrupt my concentration to become lucid. This is primitive method only works for some of the people.

Theory2: There in a dream in nothing everything around you is some energy that your brain makes like a world people and so on. At the dream world are many objects that obstruct you to see lucid dreamers, so if you remove everything and just leave the frames. People can treat as energy “balls”, so fiction object shouldn’t be a part energy ball or will be like track of energy. Then will be easier to move over a space and look for lucid persons.

On my personal experience was a dream where I removed all person appearance and treat person like an energy substance. After that I re-created the person from my inner substance knowing.
10-03-2009, 08:14 PM
Baron Samedi

Wow! So, do you think that we are interacting with other dreamers all the time, and do not even know it?

I agree with both of your theories. Thanks for writing this tutorial. This is fascinating!!!
10-04-2009, 04:44 PM
Xetrov

This is all kinda fascinating, and I do believe it may be possible to share a dream on occasion with someone (Im open minded to the possibility), but I have a few comments:

1) As long as you dont know the other dreamers in your shared dream IRL, you can never verify if they were real persons. For all you know they might be normal dream charakters that act like fellow (lucid)dreamers because you expect it to happen. The brain and our mind are such powerful tools, I have no doubt that they can easily fool us, especially due to expectations we have.

2) Shared dreaming might be possible (some people here report various dreams that have been shared and validated for themselves at least), but it seems unlikely to me that we are dreamsharing all the time but just dont know it. Dreams are personal, and to share dreams we have to go through the "trouble" of finding another person and then entering his or her dream. You make it sound like there's all kinds of people walking around in an external dreamworld that we visit each night. So far I have not seen nor experienced any evidence for that, nor does it seem likely to me.

Your second theory is very hard to understand though, due to your English (not blaming you just saying...)
10-04-2009, 06:25 PM
Dovanele

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Originally Posted by Xetrov

1) As long as you dont know the other dreamers in your shared dream IRL, you can never verify if they were real persons. For all you know they might be normal dream charakters that act like fellow (lucid)dreamers because you expect it to happen. The brain and our mind are such powerful tools, I have no doubt that they can easily fool us, especially due to expectations we have.

I fix a little bit the theory and I think now it’s easier to understand.

Theory2: There in a dream in nothing everything around you, just an energy that your brain translate into surrounding, people and so on. At the dream world are many objects that obstruct your View and you can’t see lucid dreamers, so if you remove everything and just leave the world frames, no walls no sky, no earth and so on. Then People can treated as energy “balls”, so fiction object shouldn’t be as energy “ball” and will be like just a track of energy or nothing at all. Then will be easier to move over a space and look for lucid persons.

I agree with you that our brain can trick us, but how to explain such things? After you make one of people lucid and then he began talk to you, use his extraordinary skills, in the dream near you began to spawn such things, that you will newer used or never seen, usually things cannot summon in your dream without your wish. The most important thing you began to feel energy and a connection with that person. This thing is impossible to explain, you have to feel it yourself. And the final what if your lucid dreamer will appear every night and your conversation will become more complex and you will experience more and more?
10-04-2009, 06:38 PM
Xetrov

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Originally Posted by Dovanele

I agree with you that our brain can trick us, but how to explain such things? After you make one of people lucid and then he began talk to you, use his extraordinary skills, in the dream near you began to spawn such things, that you will newer used or never seen, usually things cannot summon in your dream without your wish. The most important thing you began to feel energy and a connection with that person. This thing is impossible to explain, you have to feel it yourself. And the final what if your lucid dreamer will appear every night and your conversation will become more complex and you will experience more and more?

True, but who knows. I guess it's for each of us individually to figure out.