Subconscious Forecasting

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10-12-2009, 05:33 PM
mini0991

Subconscious Forecasting

A Scientific Perspective on Precognitive Dreams: Subconscious Forecasting

Precognitive dreams are one of the most fascinating subjects to read about. Some people say that these are dreams sent by God, but Aristotle shot that one down in his On Divination in Sleep. Some people say it's psychic energy, but a lot of that's so poorly understood it's not even worth considering.

My hypothesis is that the subconscious can "forecast" events. The subconscious is a mysterious entity of which we only came to know more about in the late twentieth century. That, and because it happens to a decent number of individuals suggests it may be a function of the subconscious to try to see what's up ahead and give warnings based on what it "calculates."

The "forecasting" hypothesis also is a satisfactory explanation for the varying degrees of accuracy in precognitive dreams. When meteorologists give a forecast of the weather, they don't (well, aren't supposed to) act like what they say *will* happen. They can only make an educated guess based on prior trends. Same could happen with the subconscious. If this hypothesis is true, it would logically follow that children, with less life experience, would have less accurate precognitive dreams than their more experienced adult counterparts.

Therefore, for anyone (including me) willing to test this out, the discovery of the phenomenon of lucid dreaming allows us to induce these "propethetic" dreams! I encourage anyone well-versed in the lucid dreaming skill to give it a shot at least once and see how accurate you get. Tell us your age, the prediction, and its accuracy. There is probably a better way to test this hypothesis, but it escapes me at the moment.

Feel free to offer up your thoughts on this idea.
10-12-2009, 06:21 PM
Luanne

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Originally Posted by mini0991

My hypothesis is that the subconscious can "forecast" events. The subconscious is a mysterious entity of which we only came to know more about in the late twentieth century. That, and because it happens to a decent number of individuals suggests it may be a function of the subconscious to try to see what's up ahead and give warnings based on what it "calculates."

Precognitive dreams are usually about something so sudden and out of nowhere, about something people haven't been keeping track of. That's why I don't like the comparison with the weather forecast, which is narrow and specific area.
10-12-2009, 06:48 PM
mini0991

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Originally Posted by Luanne

Precognitive dreams are usually about something so sudden and out of nowhere, about something people haven't been keeping track of. That's why I don't like the comparison with the weather forecast, which is narrow and specific area.

The subconscious is still very poorly understood. Perhaps it feels the need to "alert" you to something you otherwise wouldn't be aware of, explaining the spontaneous nature of such dreams.
10-12-2009, 07:35 PM
Luanne

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Originally Posted by mini0991

The subconscious is still very poorly understood. Perhaps it feels the need to "alert" you to something you otherwise wouldn't be aware of, explaining the spontaneous nature of such dreams.

Well, personally, I don't agree. I respect your opinion of course :), and the thread is interesting, but I don't see the logic in, as you say, 'alerting', because we don't take the precognition seriously at all, before it comes true. So that would be a useless effort for the subconsciousness, considering we are trying to understand its logic.
10-12-2009, 09:35 PM
ChaybaChayba

Nice theory, that also what I believe. Deja vu's and prophetic dreams are simply the ability of the mind to predict whats going to happen as we need to predict stuff all the time irl, this is a piece of cake for the subconscious. Most people don't realize however the subconscious also has a subconscious, the subconscious of mankind, allowing for great accuracy in prediction.
10-12-2009, 10:12 PM
mini0991

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Originally Posted by Luanne

Well, personally, I don't agree. I respect your opinion of course :), and the thread is interesting, but I don't see the logic in, as you say, 'alerting', because we don't take the precognition seriously at all, before it comes true. So that would be a useless effort for the subconsciousness, considering we are trying to understand its logic.

Do you believe they exist? I've heard about how some say that precognitive dreams are just misinterpretations of "general" equivocal dream subjects but I've seen examples that come way too close to real life events.
10-12-2009, 11:24 PM
Luanne

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Originally Posted by mini0991

Do you believe they exist? I've heard about how some say that precognitive dreams are just misinterpretations of "general" equivocal dream subjects but I've seen examples that come way too close to real life events.

Yes, but I see time as an illusion of our mind; a space measure, nothing else. Everything is happening now. So it doesn't fascinate me much. I can see you are thinking scientifically, so you probably don't agree with me :D, but science is in fact debating on this one.
So, i don't think of precognitions as a miracle, neither as a subconscious thing. I think of it as a 'getting in touch' with a awareness of time unity.
10-13-2009, 01:48 AM
nina

How do you propose one can "induce" a prophetic dream? With lucid dreams, you are controlling the dream...so wouldn't a random prophetic dream be less likely to occur? At least that's my assumption.
10-13-2009, 02:08 AM
mini0991

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

How do you propose one can "induce" a prophetic dream? With lucid dreams, you are controlling the dream...so wouldn't a random prophetic dream be less likely to occur? At least that's my assumption.

As with any other LD task, it's limited only by the methods you can think of.

Ask a DC to take you to a future scenario.
Find a computer and go to a website that tells the future.
Find a TV and tune to "The Future Channel"
Use a crystal ball.
Look into a well.
Read it in a book.
Pop on a record that sings tales of the future.
...
I ran out.
10-14-2009, 03:48 AM
KingYetiTeffa

Sigh, prophetic dreams.

Right, there are what, roughly 7 billion people in the world? And all of those people, give or take, will dream when they go to sleep. Let's say in one 24 hour period, all 7 billion people the world over will have some sleep, and lots/most/all of them will dream, depending on what you believe.
And one day let's say there's an earthquake in...I dunno...let's say Tibet. Pretty standard, earthquake in Tibet, believable. (Unless theres any geologists who know of some reason Tibet is unquakable, in which case, substitute anywhere you see fit.)
Then someone posts on this forum 'OOOOOMMGGGGGG I had a dream there was an earthquake, and when I woke up, TIBET WAS GONE!' Or it may even be more specific, 'OOOOOOMMGGGGG I had a dream there was an earthquake in Asia, and when I woke up, TIBET WAS 15 FEET UNDERWATER!' Or whatever, you get the idea.
My point is, of all the billions and billions of dreams there are, it'd be exceedingly f******g unlikely that noone had dreamt of an earthquake that night/day. Or Tibet. Or whatever!

Basically, while it may look prophetic or special or religious or whatever in isolation, when you consider that you're not the centre of the universe and that there's a planet filled with people out there, everything becomes much more likely.

Derren Brown did it best with that horse racing thing he did a while back. Basically, through the whole show we follow one woman who get's told to bet on particular horses in particular races, and she wins everytime. Seems pretty spectacular, until we are told and shown that the same person (Derren....duh) is telling lots of other people to bet on the horses in the same races and they all lose or win and the people that won go through and bet on another lot of horses and win or lose and get narrowed down and etc etc. It basically worked out that someone had to win every time.

So for that one time you dreamt of a forest fire and when you woke up Canada went up in flames, what about the countless thousands of times you dreamt you were Superman, and when you woke up, your car was impounded?

That's pretty much it. It may seem special in isolation, BUT QUIT THINKING JUST ABOUT YOURSELF! Just plain rude...