I've stated that I don't believe these things are real, they're LD's, etc etc ad nauseam, so I won't bother expressing my dissent to any great extent. That's it, done. |
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I've only done it once, but I am certain I actually left my body. If any of you have experienced this you know how difficult it can be. I felt like I had my 'head' out. I was about to get out and after going back in I woke up. The last time I got this close I went all the way out only a second later. I guess the only way to prove this is real is to have someone else awake do something in another room. The last time I did this everything did happen as I described it. Everything was exactly as I saw it when I woke up. I also slept through the day so the house did change inside enough to notice a difference. Now I know some of you have experienced this and know what I am talking about. This is not an astral projection, this is not a lucid dream. I have had both of those and they are very different. In an OOBE everything would look exactly as it is in the physical world. You wouldn't see anything strange except maybe other people (ghosts or whatever you want to call them - if they exist in our world). |
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I've stated that I don't believe these things are real, they're LD's, etc etc ad nauseam, so I won't bother expressing my dissent to any great extent. That's it, done. |
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Then delete your post, k? I am only asking people that believe in this. And even if this is not what I claim it to me it is definately not a LD. It would be similar to the NDE explaination that just says it is caused by lack of oxygen. Either way I am 100% certain it is not a dream. |
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I can't now, because you replied. Too bad - I can post my dissent if I want to. |
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I am asking for help from someone who is experienced. I am not asking for help trying to disprove something I think to be true. How about you or someone else starts talking about god or something like that. Do you think it would be okay for me to tell them they are wrong and that it is not true? We are not here to argue, we are here to help each other. Either post something useful to the topic or leave it be. |
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Yeah, k. You'll just veer this topic off into "I shall post whatever i desire" type arguments if we keep in this vein. I have posted my dissent, we do it all the time, live with it. I was intending for your benefit, actually, to make my post as short and as un-argument...a...ble? as possible so that you could get the help you wanted from others, but that has been ruined now. And I recall never saying anything was *wrong*, I simply posted that I think it is. I understand that it could not be wrong, etc etc, but as I stated a just a moment ago, I was intending to keep the post nice and short for you. But, we've managed to drag it out now. Anyway, I think I've rounded that off nicely...onto the help. |
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Crucible that it all looks excactly like the waking world doesnt mean much. |
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Well, lucid dreams are fun, but I have them every day. Now if you really want to try something fun try astral projection. This is like the perfect lucid dream. Everything is completely lifelike except you have complete control. You also don't have to worry about waking up, or anything else wierd happening. |
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If you think its an OBE, and you subconciously expect your commands and control like you would have in a normal LD not to work because you think its an OBE, your control and commands wont work, and you really believe you're having an OBE. Remember how you summon things? You expect them to be behind you. Ever accidently thought 'ooh i dont hope a monster is in that dark corner there' on accient, and ofcourse a monster emerged from the shadows? Its all tricky like that... Suggestion, anticipation. Its hard not to be biased I guess. You seem to be fairly emotional about your experiences and stuff so i think you're extremely biased so it will be pretty much impossible to prove you wrong in your eyes so I dont know how to argue with you. Oh well. These are my thoughts. There is hardly any evidence supporting OBE's and so much evidence against OBE's... why do intelligent people like yourself still persistenly believe in myths that where created to explain LD's and vivid dreams when people didnt know any better? Remember, people used to believe OLD HAG was a real DEAMON sitting on your chest, now we know its a side effect from SP. OBE's are the same thing, its what people thought what happened because people didnt know any better. I dont blame them, dreams can be so realistic. If i didnt know what I know now about LD's and I would have an accidental WILD experience like I have alot, I would be convinced they where OBE's. That said, I know i have a bias towards OBE's not beeing real but if someone can come up with some plausible evidence that proves OBE's are real, then i am open minded enough to change my opinions. But just these heresay stories and experiences so similair to mine (that i found out where NOT OBE's) are not enough to convince me. |
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Well, I think this life is real, so it is the same situation. Maybe you subconciously expect life to be this way so it is. There is no way to prove it. It felt just like real life, so then real life could also be not real. You can't prove anything, so why are you trying to disprove anything? All you are doing is telling me what you believe in and trying to prove what you believe in is right. This is exactly like preaching. It does not have to be a high being that you are pushing towards me. You don't know what happens when you die, but you probably believe in something right? Do you believe in some after life? If so how do you know it exists? Or do you believe that you just die and that is it. Once again, how do you know it exists? You can't, and will never know this until you have experienced it. If I wanted to argue about what an OOBE is I would go to one of the million topics already about it that have been eaten up by people like you. |
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