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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post

      I see it largely as an amazing template that can be used to find balance in your life. I suppose it also implies all kinds of supernatural stuff, if you get deeper into the initiation levels or whatever, but I know nothing about that and don't really care to.
      I hear it has some pretty interesting uses.

      “Last night, I happened to come across a driver’s manual. Maybe it was the semidarkness, or what you had said to me, but I began to imagine that those pages were saying Something Else. Suppose the automobile existed only to serve as metaphor of creation? And we mustn’t confine ourselves to the exterior, or to the surface reality of the dashboard; we must learn to see what only the Maker sees, what lies beneath. What lies beneath and what lies above. It is the Tree of the Sefirot.”

      “You don’t say.”

      “I am not the one who says; it is the thing itself that says. The drive shaft is the trunk of the tree. Count the parts: engine, two front wheels, clutch, transmission, two axles, differential, and two rear wheels. Ten parts, ten Sefirot.”

      “But the positions don’t coincide.”

      “Who says they don’t? Diotallevi’s explained to us that in certain versions Tiferet isn’t the sixth Sefirah, but the eighth, below Nezah and Hod. My axle-tree is the tree of Belboth.”

      “Fiat.”

      “But let’s pursue the dialectic of the tree. At the summit is the engine, Omnia Movens, of which more later: this is the Creative Source. The engine communicates its creative energy to the two front wheels: the Wheel of Intelligence and the Wheel of Knowledge.”

      “If the car has front-wheel drive.”


      That’s from Umberto Eco's novel Foucault’s Pendulum, by the way. I highly recommend it.

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      Haha!! That seems more like an example of somebody taking it too far. Or - maybe starting to see right through the physical world and to see the inner meanings of things? The structure of Being? Or maybe he's just off his meds... (and there's that connection between madness and divinity... )





      I've borrowed the book from Archive.org - had to install Adobe Digital Editions software in order to read it. Pretty excellent so far - I've seen video of Foucault's pendulum tracing lines in the sand, so I understand exactly what he's describing at the beginning. And I can already tell this is going to be good. It manages to be foolish, profound (perhaps overly so?) and hilarious all at the same time.
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      DarkMatters,

      I can see that the Qaballah is useful as a way of organizing thoughts about certain things, which can be a significant aid to development. But it also imposes a structure of that to a large extent isn’t really there, and that’s distorting and limiting. I think there’s also something profoundly imprisoning by thinking of any of these kinds of models as ‘truths’, though I’m not sure I completely understand why. When talking to a believer, it is almost as if they’ve been hypnotized or something. They’re ideologues, and I’ve been one also. Their thoughts go along certain lines which prevent them from really perceiving and engaging with anything that falls outside of that. There seems to be almost no real communication, they only hear what’s permitted by the model. So almost no new understanding or experience comes from the dialogue. Once I’ve gained whatever new perspective that I’m capable of that’s possible inside a system of thought, then it’s a waste of time after that. So I’ve generally lost interest in all such models. The Theosophical zodiac is the one I know in the most depth though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by shadowofwind View Post
      DarkMatters,

      I can see that the Qaballah is useful as a way of organizing thoughts about certain things, which can be a significant aid to development. But it also imposes a structure of that to a large extent isn’t really there, and that’s distorting and limiting.

      Ok, I can definitely see that. Yes, if you use a template like this to order your understanding of the world, and especially if it becomes so important that you filter everything through it, it becomes a sort of dogma or imposes strict limitations on how you perceive everything. Like a political ideology or religious dogma. I hope I don't reach a point where it becomes that all-encompassing for me, like an addiction. So far I'm pretty good about recognizing if something is becoming an addiction and I just drop it.

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