Thread: Gemstones & Crystals for Dreaming

Xwi and Bmdubb,,,, as much as you feel sorry for us,,,,"poor",,,"delusianal",, souls,,,I feel sorry for you. Using a crystal and feeling the ease in which it allows you to use your own energy is quite easy to expierience,,,so easy to experience in fact, that you would have to be pretty much devoid of any psychic ability what so ever to find no results.

I feel sorry for you Xwi and Bwdubb, poor robots.

The very concept of crystal use is easy enough. Crystals vibrate and adjust energy frequency. Ever hear of using quartz in wrist watches???? Same principle.

And as for the expense,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you can buy an excellent piece of terminated quartz for under ten bucks. How is that expensive???

I took a clear piece of terminated quartz and meditated with it while sunbathing once on my roof. I was amazed to find, after my consiousness had adjusted, I could easily see the quartz pulsating as it absorbed my own energy and that of the sun. This I find fairly easy to duplicate.

Hey Watchman,,,, nice experience you shared about your girl friend.

A crystal is a solid formed by the solidification of chemicals, has a regularly repeating internal arrangement of atoms and molecules, and is bounded by external plane faces. Crystal particles form a variety of geometrical shapes due to their internal compressions. Crystals have aesthetic properties that have long made them attractive in jewelry. But they also have some properties that make them very important to the electronics and optical industries. Today, crystals are used in just about every type of modern technology.

For centuries, crystals and other gems have been desired for their alleged magical healing and mystical paranormal powers. This belief continues today among occultists and New Age healers, even though it is based on nothing more than testimonials, the placebo effect, selective thinking, wishful thinking, subjective validation, sympathetic magic, and communal reinforcement. There is no scientific evidence that crystals are conduits of magical energies useful for healing and protection, or for telling the future.

We can dismiss the pre-scientific belief in the magical powers of crystals and gemstones as due to the lack of scientific knowledge. Modern occultists, however, distort and falsify scientific knowledge in order to promote belief in their crystal products. According to the purveyors of this crystalline pseudoscience, crystals channel good "energy" and ward off bad "energy." They carry "vibrations" that resonate with healing "frequencies," work with the chakras and help balance yin and yang. Crystals allegedly affect the emotions and can be used not only for physical healing, but for emotional problems as well. Crystals can not only help with emotional healing, but with self-expression, creativity, meditation, and the immune system. None of these claims is backed by any scientific evidence.

Today, crystal wands are used to heal auras in aura therapy. But one of the more egregious pseudoscientific claims regarding crystals is that, if arranged properly, they can provide protection against harmful electromagnetic forces such as those that are emitted from computer monitors, cellular phones, microwave ovens, hair dryers, power lines, and other people. The Bioelectric Shield was invented by a chiropractor from Montana, Charles Brown, who claims he heard voices in his head and had visions in his bed as to how to arrange crystals in the shape of a flying saucer in order to provide this protection. His bioelectric shields are sold for anywhere from $139 to over a thousand dollars. Cherie Blair, the wife of the former prime minister of the UK, wears one of these magical pendants. They are said to be "medically proven" and "based on Nobel Prize winning physics." Even if the claims about the protective power of these pendants were true, it would be necessary to envelop your entire body in one to achieve the desired result. By hanging a little piece of jewelry around the neck, you might be able to protect a small part of the throat, however.

The New Age idea that crystals can harness and direct energy seems to be based upon a misunderstanding of one of the more curious characteristics of certain crystals, namely, that they produce an electrical charge when compressed. This is known as the piezoelectric effect and was discovered in 1880 by Pierre and Jacques Curie. Other technological developments had to occur before the piezoelectric effect could be put to use, however, and it was not until the 1950s that the piezoelectric effect could be put to general use in record player needles and a variety of measuring devices. Nowadays, these devices "are used in almost every conceivable application requiring accurate measurement and recording of dynamic changes in mechanical variables such as pressure, force and acceleration."

The piezoelectric effect, however, does not give crystals healing or protective power, despite the claims of those who use and sell crystals in New Age and neo-pagan occultist shops. However, wearing crystals seems to give some people a feeling of protection. This, and their aesthetic qualities, seem to be the only virtues of crystal jewelry.

Nor do crystals work any better than animal organs for divining the future, although grinding crystals for fortune telling is more humane and sanitary than disembowelment of poor creatures who don't know yesterday from tomorrow.

Originally Posted by BmDubb

A crystal is a solid formed by the solidification of chemicals, has a regularly repeating internal arrangement of atoms and molecules, and is bounded by external plane faces. Crystal particles form a variety of geometrical shapes due to their internal compressions. Crystals have aesthetic properties that have long made them attractive in jewelry. But they also have some properties that make them very important to the electronics and optical industries. Today, crystals are used in just about every type of modern technology.

For centuries, crystals and other gems have been desired for their alleged magical healing and mystical paranormal powers. This belief continues today among occultists and New Age healers, even though it is based on nothing more than testimonials, the placebo effect, selective thinking, wishful thinking, subjective validation, sympathetic magic, and communal reinforcement. There is no scientific evidence that crystals are conduits of magical energies useful for healing and protection, or for telling the future.

We can dismiss the pre-scientific belief in the magical powers of crystals and gemstones as due to the lack of scientific knowledge. Modern occultists, however, distort and falsify scientific knowledge in order to promote belief in their crystal products. According to the purveyors of this crystalline pseudoscience, crystals channel good "energy" and ward off bad "energy." They carry "vibrations" that resonate with healing "frequencies," work with the chakras and help balance yin and yang. Crystals allegedly affect the emotions and can be used not only for physical healing, but for emotional problems as well. Crystals can not only help with emotional healing, but with self-expression, creativity, meditation, and the immune system. None of these claims is backed by any scientific evidence.

Today, crystal wands are used to heal auras in aura therapy. But one of the more egregious pseudoscientific claims regarding crystals is that, if arranged properly, they can provide protection against harmful electromagnetic forces such as those that are emitted from computer monitors, cellular phones, microwave ovens, hair dryers, power lines, and other people. The Bioelectric Shield was invented by a chiropractor from Montana, Charles Brown, who claims he heard voices in his head and had visions in his bed as to how to arrange crystals in the shape of a flying saucer in order to provide this protection. His bioelectric shields are sold for anywhere from $139 to over a thousand dollars. Cherie Blair, the wife of the former prime minister of the UK, wears one of these magical pendants. They are said to be "medically proven" and "based on Nobel Prize winning physics." Even if the claims about the protective power of these pendants were true, it would be necessary to envelop your entire body in one to achieve the desired result. By hanging a little piece of jewelry around the neck, you might be able to protect a small part of the throat, however.

The New Age idea that crystals can harness and direct energy seems to be based upon a misunderstanding of one of the more curious characteristics of certain crystals, namely, that they produce an electrical charge when compressed. This is known as the piezoelectric effect and was discovered in 1880 by Pierre and Jacques Curie. Other technological developments had to occur before the piezoelectric effect could be put to use, however, and it was not until the 1950s that the piezoelectric effect could be put to general use in record player needles and a variety of measuring devices. Nowadays, these devices "are used in almost every conceivable application requiring accurate measurement and recording of dynamic changes in mechanical variables such as pressure, force and acceleration."

The piezoelectric effect, however, does not give crystals healing or protective power, despite the claims of those who use and sell crystals in New Age and neo-pagan occultist shops. However, wearing crystals seems to give some people a feeling of protection. This, and their aesthetic qualities, seem to be the only virtues of crystal jewelry.

Nor do crystals work any better than animal organs for divining the future, although grinding crystals for fortune telling is more humane and sanitary than disembowelment of poor creatures who don't know yesterday from tomorrow.

WOW,,,, so you can cut and paste???? You really are a robot!!!!

I would have had more respect for you had you read the article and atleast TRIED to regurtatate it your self.

Originally Posted by BmDubb

We can dismiss the pre-scientific belief in the magical powers of crystals and gemstones as due to the lack of scientific knowledge. Modern occultists, however, distort and falsify scientific knowledge in order to promote belief in their crystal products. According to the purveyors of this crystalline pseudoscience, crystals channel good "energy" and ward off bad "energy." They carry "vibrations" that resonate with healing "frequencies," work with the chakras and help balance yin and yang. Crystals allegedly affect the emotions and can be used not only for physical healing, but for emotional problems as well. Crystals can not only help with emotional healing, but with self-expression, creativity, meditation, and the immune system. None of these claims is backed by any scientific evidence.

Well I don't for one! I don't dismiss anything just because of a lack of evidence from a certain branch of "modern" scientific Ideology, which is firmly based (and biased) towards physical materialism.

Does everything have to be backed by scientific evidence?

I used to think so until I grew up, and thought much deeper about our universe and this experience we call life. I too was an atheist until I developed a healthy, unbiased view that still helps me find more than science has any capacity to answer.

As various science-philosophers especially Karl Popper asserts, science cannot explain everything. It has a "field", but there also exists other “fields” apart from this.
"Science and religion have their different fields, and should not interfere with one another".



And so now..You need to ask yourself of what real value did your comment leave here on this thread? What insight, information or help does it offer? And, is it of benefit to those who wish to peruse this line of experimentation?
These are honest, simple questions everyone needs to ask themselves before posting further.
The same goes for me as well, I'll try the crystals despite what a couple of people here think, and be dammed!....Then I'll post any good results after a few weeks, if it's OK with (*most) everyone.

I respect the fact that you all think the Crystals, and Im sure they do work for you ( because you believe they do ). And, there are certain things that science has totally figured out. And, TO ME.. No matter how hard you believe, its still just a rock, comprised up of minerals, like every other stone in this universe. If Crystals REALLY did have some magical power, I guarantee by now, we'd have hard scientific evidence of such. If I go outside and pick up a rock and HONESTLY BELIEVE that it harnesses some power that helps me do something, Im sure it will. But, again its not the rock, it would be my power of suggestion.
Keep calling me a robot, lmao. And I DID read the entire page. The FACT is, a crystal is no different than any other rock in the world when it comes to stuff like them helping you LD, and all the other " powers ". Crystals are very cool to look at, and make good tuning forks, but that is about all. This whole thread is hilarious to me. People PAYING for ROCKS for no reason. Im going to go to the local caverns here, and rivers and pick up some crystals and purdy rocks, and sell them as wonderful, magical gems ( If anyone did this there will ALWAYS be the few "special" people who buy into it like. The world is full of gullible people, who are weak and need something to believe in.

DARKOMARCO: The scientific data backing Crystals "powers", is par with that of a lucky rabbits foot. The NCCAM ( National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine ) did studies on the " powers of Crystals ", but the MYTH was quickly debunked as they found that Crystals have NO kind of power whether healing, or other. YOU SAID " Using a crystal and feeling the ease in which it allows you to use your own energy is quite easy to expierience,,,so easy to experience in fact, that you would have to be pretty much devoid of any psychic ability what so ever to find no results.." If its that easy to see and use, don't you think all of the Geologists, Scientists, Professors, Doctors, and etc doing the studies WOULD have found out something besides " Well, that was a waste of time "? Perhaps the outcome would have been different ir everyone involved in the study were those " gullible special people " who believes about anything.

Anyone wanna start a new aid? " Lucky Rabbits feet to help improve lucidity "

The Jist: You believe... Keep on believing. ( If you know someone who sleeps w a crystal and says it helps.. You should get a FAKE crystal that looks like theirs and swap them out without them knowing, and make sure they look identical. I guarantee there will be NO difference )

Originally Posted by BmDubb

I respect the fact that you all think the Crystals, and Im sure they do work for you ( because you believe they do ). And, there are certain things that science has totally figured out. And, TO ME.. No matter how hard you believe, its still just a rock, comprised up of minerals, like every other stone in this universe. If Crystals REALLY did have some magical power, I guarantee by now, we'd have hard scientific evidence of such. If I go outside and pick up a rock and HONESTLY BELIEVE that it harnesses some power that helps me do something, Im sure it will. But, again its not the rock, it would be my power of suggestion.
Keep calling me a robot, lmao. And I DID read the entire page. The FACT is, a crystal is no different than any other rock in the world when it comes to stuff like them helping you LD, and all the other " powers ". Crystals are very cool to look at, and make good tuning forks, but that is about all. This whole thread is hilarious to me. People PAYING for ROCKS for no reason. Im going to go to the local caverns here, and rivers and pick up some crystals and purdy rocks, and sell them as wonderful, magical gems ( If anyone did this there will ALWAYS be the few "special" people who buy into it like. The world is full of gullible people, who are weak and need something to believe in.

DARKOMARCO: The scientific data backing Crystals "powers", is par with that of a lucky rabbits foot. The NCCAM ( National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine ) did studies on the " powers of Crystals ", but the MYTH was quickly debunked as they found that Crystals have NO kind of power whether healing, or other. YOU SAID " Using a crystal and feeling the ease in which it allows you to use your own energy is quite easy to expierience,,,so easy to experience in fact, that you would have to be pretty much devoid of any psychic ability what so ever to find no results.." If its that easy to see and use, don't you think all of the Geologists, Scientists, Professors, Doctors, and etc doing the studies WOULD have found out something besides " Well, that was a waste of time "? Perhaps the outcome would have been different ir everyone involved in the study were those " gullible special people " who believes about anything.

Anyone wanna start a new aid? " Lucky Rabbits feet to help improve lucidity "

The Jist: You believe... Keep on believing. ( If you know someone who sleeps w a crystal and says it helps.. You should get a FAKE crystal that looks like theirs and swap them out without them knowing, and make sure they look identical. I guarantee there will be NO difference )

Dude,,, the very fact you keep going back to the placebo affect cracks me up. Did you ever stop to wonder why the placebo affect is so universally recognized and yet unexplained? For one, do you think the placebo affect discredits sprituality? Hmmmmm. Or does it actually validate it?

And to sit here and act like you know all the dynamics of a crystal because you can look up the chemical composition,,, is at best childish, and at worst extremely presumptous.

Originally Posted by BmDubb

I respect the fact that you all think the Crystals, and Im sure they do work for you ( because you believe they do ). And, there are certain things that science has totally figured out. And, TO ME.. No matter how hard you believe, its still just a rock, comprised up of minerals, like every other stone in this universe. If Crystals REALLY did have some magical power, I guarantee by now, we'd have hard scientific evidence of such. If I go outside and pick up a rock and HONESTLY BELIEVE that it harnesses some power that helps me do something, Im sure it will. But, again its not the rock, it would be my power of suggestion.
Keep calling me a robot, lmao. And I DID read the entire page. The FACT is, a crystal is no different than any other rock in the world when it comes to stuff like them helping you LD, and all the other " powers ". Crystals are very cool to look at, and make good tuning forks, but that is about all. This whole thread is hilarious to me. People PAYING for ROCKS for no reason. Im going to go to the local caverns here, and rivers and pick up some crystals and purdy rocks, and sell them as wonderful, magical gems ( If anyone did this there will ALWAYS be the few "special" people who buy into it like. The world is full of gullible people, who are weak and need something to believe in.
DARKOMARCO: The scientific data backing Crystals "powers", is par with that of a lucky rabbits foot. The NCCAM ( National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine ) did studies on the " powers of Crystals ", but the MYTH was quickly debunked as they found that Crystals have NO kind of power whether healing, or other. YOU SAID " Using a crystal and feeling the ease in which it allows you to use your own energy is quite easy to expierience,,,so easy to experience in fact, that you would have to be pretty much devoid of any psychic ability what so ever to find no results.." If its that easy to see and use, don't you think all of the Geologists, Scientists, Professors, Doctors, and etc doing the studies WOULD have found out something besides " Well, that was a waste of time "? Perhaps the outcome would have been different ir everyone involved in the study were those " gullible special people " who believes about anything.
Anyone wanna start a new aid? " Lucky Rabbits feet to help improve lucidity "
The Jist: You believe... Keep on believing. ( If you know someone who sleeps w a crystal and says it helps.. You should get a FAKE crystal that looks like theirs and swap them out without them knowing, and make sure they look identical. I guarantee there will be NO difference )

Dude, the wierd thing is, I think your a believer. I consider myself a healthy skeptic. The diffrence I feel that seperates us is,,,, I'm skeptical of the government and it's influence over the scientific community and i feel your a believer in the scientific community holding true to a higher purpose.

Thats cool and all.

I just don't share that same belief.

I think science is limited to the grants they are given by the government and big corp. and I don't think either of these want this kind of information studied and or extolled upon.

There is no money to be made by studying and proving the soul.

Organized religion certainly wouldn't dig it.


The scientists of today who are conformists to mainstream society will disavow any knowledge or information concerning the soul.

Today, the new religion of conformity is science, so in terms of BELIEF,,,well,,,,,it is all about conforming,,,,simplyfing existance, and not having to answer or ask for that matter the really tough questions.

Funding and grants being absent in the scientific research community wouldn't have anything to do with buisness as usual would it?

1. Eastern science devoloped acupunture and explained it's application in terms of chi meridians and curing blockages of that energy, chi, which is the force that ties the soul to the body.

Western science has proved acupuncture works again and again, but won't indulge in explaining why, nor give any credence to the eastern explanation.
Maybe because there is no money in it for Big Medicine or the pharmecutical companies.

2. The documented case studies involving prayer. In controlled scientific settings petri dishes with bacteria have shown significant improvement in health and reproductivity having been prayed for than control groups that have not.

3. Kirlian photography, say what you will, it's legit. So much scientific data could be obtained through grants in this area. Yet we see nothing being done. I was on the fence about this one, but then I saw the pictures of the leaves. Experiments were done on leaves showing the energy around them, the leaves were then cut, but, the aura stayed the original perimeter of the leave for hours.



4. Wilhelm Reich, the only western scientist of much reknown to have entered into serious study on the soul and the energy there in.

Reich was not only thrown in prison, they chopped up all the scientific equipment in his laboratory with axes and burned all his books in an incinerator in 1955.
Timothy leary did five years in prison, Ezra pound did thirteen both for political and economic views in contradiciton to mainstream society and neither had their books burned.

Reich had his books burned, his work destroyed, and many people think he was assasinated.

It is worth noting that Reich died (mysteriously) two days before the end of his two year sentence.


5. Remote Viewing, as devoloped by Ingo Swann, is basically astral projection, yes, mastering the ability to allow your soul to travel freely outside your body.



This practice done in a controlled environment at Stanford University was noted as being so successfull the government halted academic funding for it, but gave it a healthy military budget and CIA budget as Major Ed Dames and many others will attest to.

6. Near Death experiences. This was all poo pooed away very convienatly by "main stream" scientists as the nerve synapsis firing away in the brain as it died.

Then came Pam Reynolds who had a NDE while undergoing a rare operation to remove a artery aneurysm in her brain. Dr. Michael Sabom was shocked to hear conversations taking place by himself and nurses during the operation being recanted by Pam Reynolds because she was BRAIN DEAD during the operation and no synapses could have been firing at that time.

Pam's body temp was lowered to 60 degrees and her heart and brain were stopped.

Neurologists all concur,,,,no hallicinations can occur under these conditions.

So, if here report of floating above the operating room table and repeating heard conversations cannot be a hallucination, what were they???

7. Numerous case studies involving children remembering exacting details from a former life.


The problem with science today, isn't science, it's mainstream society and the control of information through the control of the media and acadamia. If you feel genuinly comfortable in your role as a cog in this machinary then I almost envy you.

But bottom line, there are dark forces out there that don't want you empowered and don't want you outside thier sphere of influence. Your soul is yours to explore and discover, and I feel a passionate responsibility to protest and inform when I hear people proclaiming the soul does not exist.

If you maintain that science has all the answers, examine why you think so. Explore why it makes you feel comfortable in maintaining the soul does not exist. Ask yourself, are those thoughts truly my own?

The unexamined life is not worth living.
Socrates

Take care bro,
Sorry about coming off like an ass earlier.

Good! ***** Last night I had my first Lucid Dream of the year! I believe Crystals helped!

This had been a very bad year for experiencing Lucids I can tell you! I’ve tried many different ways and techniques trying to dream Lucidly, you name it I’ve done it! Insomnia didn't help, especially with WBTBs.

Last night I had hold of four small clear quartz crystals and held two in each hand as I relaxed in the bed preparing to fall asleep (actually I was trying to WILD). I have no idea if the crystals helped or not, but my mind was much clearer than usual. As I observed the small patterns behind my eyelids, I “received” a subtle impression that I should visualize what I wanted to dream about, so I did. When I say subtle, I MEAN subtle, it’s was like my mind thought the thoughts independently, not in words, but in feelings and impressions.
Then “it” told me (in picture form), to now shift from the 1st person view to second person view (i.e. see myself in the scenery doing what I want, as though I’m watching a video/film of myself). Now this “something” or thought pattern suggested making a character (or characters) in the scene repeat over and over to me, “You are dreaming…you are dreaming…you are dreaming”….etc. I had an impression in my mind to make the character(s) go on and on affirming this to me for a short while, before drifting into sleep. I drifted into sleep letting it all go, just observing and being in the "present moment"..
I previously stopped trying for a WILD, I think personally it’s too difficult for me at the moment.
**Incidentally, I found that the crystals in my hands became too warm so I placed them under my pillow with the rose quartz ones are.

I experienced a dream within an hour where I became Lucid, not once but twice! No dream signs and all that, my lucidity grew as though a light dimmer switch hand been turned right up! At first I got too excited, and within a few minutes it faded as I walked though a market. However as it weakened, I thought to myself “next time I will relax and give the dream more chance to stabilize”. With that thought, I found myself Lucid again and back exactly where I was! Someone invisible by my side said, “Try rubbing you hands together, that helps!”. I did this and it did help at lot, and a bright light seemed to pour all around me. I saw an ex-girl friend near, and so I greeted her with a kiss and a friendly hug, she felt so real/physical! I encouraged her to come with me to a small private lounge/bar where we sat and talked. I felt happy and satisfied with the LD, and it gently faded away as I woke up. Wonderful!!

Conclusion;-

I’m very pleased to have experienced this LD. I had a few LDs last year, but they were really just ordinary dreams where I knew I was dreaming. This one is my first proper LD and it was thrilling to experience. Crystals definitely have some effect on the mind and I believe that if you’ve been studying or trying to achieve something like LDs, you’ll be guided in the ways that suits YOU and You alone. I’m a “healthy skeptic” though, and I need to try this out further to be sure of anything conclusive. Who knows? Maybe it was just a “one off”, or just the placebo effect working wonders? But placebo or not, if it works it works, and that’s just fine by me!

One point in human psychology. When we fail at something, we tend to excuse ourselves and find fault outside of us. This is why one gets the proliferation of techniques, none of which have a thing to do with the problem of personally mastering awareness. Or so my experience leads me to believe. Diets, drugs, magic, etc.

Originally Posted by Watchman

Good news ***** Last night I had my first Lucid Dream of the year!

This had been a very bad year for experiencing Lucids I can tell you! I’ve tried many different ways and techniques trying to dream Lucidly, you name it I’ve done it! Insomnia didn't help, especially with WBTBs.

Last night I had hold of four small clear quartz crystals and held two in each hand as I relaxed in the bed preparing to fall asleep (actually I was trying to WILD). I have no idea if the crystals helped or not, but my mind was much clearer than usual. As I observed the small patterns behind my eyelids, I “received” a subtle impression that I should visualize what I wanted to dream about, so I did. When I say subtle, I MEAN subtle, it’s was like my mind thought the thoughts independently, not in words, but in feelings and impressions.
Then “it” told me (in picture form), to now shift from the 1st person view to second person view (i.e. see myself in the scenery doing what I want, as though I’m watching a video/film of myself). Now this “something” or thought pattern suggested making a character (or characters) in the scene repeat over and over to me, “You are dreaming…you are dreaming…you are dreaming”….etc. I had an impression in my mind to make the character(s) go on and on affirming this to me for a short while, before drifting into sleep.
I previously stopped trying for a WILD, I think personally it’s too difficult for me at the moment.
**Incidentally, I found that the crystals in my hands became too warm so I placed them under my pillow with the rose quartz ones are.

I experienced a dream within an hour where I became Lucid, not once but twice! No dream signs and all that, my lucidity grew as though a light dimmer switch hand been turned right up! At first I got too excited, and within a few minutes it faded as I walked though a market. However as it weakened, I thought to myself “next time I will relax and give the dream more chance to stabilize”. With that thought, I found myself Lucid again and back exactly where I was! Someone invisible by my side said, “Try rubbing you hands together, that helps!”. I did this and it did help at lot, and a bright light seemed to pour all around me. I saw an ex-girl friend near, and so I greeted her with a kiss and a friendly hug, she felt so real/physical! I encouraged her to come with me to a small private lounge/bar where we sat and talked. I felt happy and satisfied with the LD, and it gently faded away as I woke up. Wonderful!!

Conclusion;-

I’m very pleased to have experienced this LD. I had a few LDs last year, but they were really just ordinary dreams where I knew I was dreaming. This one is my first proper LD and it was thrilling to experience. Crystals definitely have some effect on the mind and I believe that if you’ve been studying or trying to achieve something like LDs, you’ll be guided in the ways that suits YOU and You alone. I’m a “healthy skeptic” though, and I need to try this out further to be sure of anything conclusive. Who knows? Maybe it was just a “one off”, or just the placebo effect working wonders? But placebo or not, if it works it works, and that’s just fine by me!

Awesome,,, maybe I'll give this a try as well. It's been a while since I've been able to lucid dream.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

One point in human psychology. When we fail at something, we tend to excuse ourselves and find fault outside of us. This is why one gets the proliferation of techniques, none of which have a thing to do with the problem of personally mastering awareness. Or so my experience leads me to believe. Diets, drugs, magic, etc.

Glad you mentioned that..! I'd been reading an article written by Frank Kepple on the Astral Pulse Web Site (Here) Although Frank talks about Astral Projection, it's the same thing really as LDs and I think it's important for everyone to read. There are no techniques to learn, you simply observe yourself as you fall asleep...that's all!
We "phase" shift into ourselves, there is no exit points to remember for we simply shift into that part of us.

Originally Posted by Watchman

Glad you mentioned that..! I'd been reading an article written by Frank Kepple on the Astral Pulse Web Site (Here) Although Frank talks about Astral Projection, it's the same thing really as LDs and I think it's important for everyone to read. There are no techniques to learn, you simply observe yourself as you fall asleep...that's all!
We "phase" shift into ourselves, there is no exit points to remember for we simply shift into that part of us.

Very much to the point. We are awareness, we simply learn how to behave. We are aware irrespective of diet, crystals, myths, and techniques.

Originally Posted by BmDubb

If I go outside and pick up a rock and HONESTLY BELIEVE that it harnesses some power that helps me do something, Im sure it will. But, again its not the rock, it would be my power of suggestion.

Does it make a difference?

On a spiritual forum I visit often they said that Amethyst is a good one to keep under your pillow while sleeping. People said it gives them pretty spectacular dreams and really increases vividness.

I have a piece of Amethyst, I might try it and see if I notice any difference.

Just a quick thought.

What about Crystal care and maintenance?

Is my partner right in saying that those wishing to use Crystals need to first "Clean", Charge, and program them before they will work? Apparently, getting hold of a crystal and plonking in your hand or under your pillow expecting it to work, will find it won't until the initial "cleaning", charging and programming formalities are done with.
I see that there are a few good web sites that give instructions on what to do....

I remain open minded

Originally Posted by Cosmix

On a spiritual forum I visit often they said that Amethyst is a good one to keep under your pillow while sleeping. People said it gives them pretty spectacular dreams and really increases vividness.

I have a piece of Amethyst, I might try it and see if I notice any difference.

Post the link.
I'm always up to check in on a new forum.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/gemsto...reaming-90649/
Found it. This concept sounds interesting.

Originally Posted by WanderingMind

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/gemsto...reaming-90649/
Found it. This concept sounds interesting.

Thanks for the link!...And what a wonderful thread it is too!!

I have a few crystals right now. I'm going to start working with them.

Well I did not have a lucid last night, but I taped a small moldavite and amethyst to my third eye, and I watched a subliminal lucid dreaming video posted by ganjaah.
I did not have a lucid, but I did have a very odd and vivid dream where in some small parts I was consciously aware. I feel as though both had a strong effect (And I did eat probably two ounces of coriander with my dinner lol). At one point I distinctly remember seeing a light where my third eye would be. My room is pitch black at night and I was wearing a sleep mask. I still saw some light out of nowhere.

I have quartz (Rose and clear), danburite (One blade), moldavite, amethyst (Two small crystals, but I bought a large pendant too; The two were bonuses from the person that gave me moldavite lol). I got some really good deals on ebay, and I just bought kyanite as well.

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It's not a completely unfounded concept.

I merged the two threads...I figured it would be nice to have all the info about crystals & lucid dreaming in the same place...plus its in the Beyond Dreaming forum now, where it belongs.

Do you think you could identify this crystal for me? I apologise for not having any pictures but my camera is ancient and it couldnt take close ups.

It's a small, orange, shiny stone. It has dark red streaks inside it (they are exactly the colour I coulored the text with). It is a very smooth shape.

Thanks alot!

Well any tumbled stone will be smooth and shiny...so really the only thing to go on is the orange color with red streaks. Possibly agate or carnelian.

I've wanted a blue calcite sphere for awhile...finally got one. Can't wait till it gets here.