Thread: Dream Sharing

It's all good! I did actually have an LD last night and I met you! Read my DJ. Anyway, we can try it again! No worries!

If shared dreaming is real, it would make sense to tell your partner to do a reality check once you've entered their dream. That way, you could both be lucid while the exchange takes place to maximize recall and the 'password receiver' could wake itself up right after the exchange.

I think that, in order for your subconscious to best familiarize itself with that of your partner, you should read your partner's dream journals a couple of times. That way when you open the door leading into your partner's dream, you arrive in the person's dream you intended to arrive in, and not into one of your own dream character's dreams or someone else's dream. This is based on the idea that recognizing someone's "energy signature" (or, to give it a better term, "personality" ) makes it easier to locate and identify them in the dreamscape.

I'm thinking an interesting complication will be that sometimes people take different forms in their dreams (such as a demon, a non-visible observer, etc), and it might be hard to tell them apart from their subconscious' own dream characters.


If you can somehow locate your partner in the dreamscape and make them lucid, (assuming the nature of dreams permits all of this) then proving it happened shouldn't be too difficult, given both dreamers have better-than-horrible dream recall and that they're both able to wake themselves up right after transmitting the code and remember what happened.

Also, once I complete a couple of my objectives (namely testing real-world behavior modification and time dilation), I'd like to take part in this experiment too. Testing dream sharing is also one of my objectives. What do you guys say?

I might even be able to make one of you lucid during an attempt, assuming this is at all possible.

I think that sounds great, MindGames. Feel free to try to share some dreams with me, and you can even try to induce lucidity if I'm not already lucid. What time zone are you in?

Sure thing, Krista. I live in GMT -0700 Timezone. Which reality checks do you usually perform in waking life? Maybe acting them out in front of you and reminding you to do those specifically will increase the chances of inducing lucidity. Also, if you want, you can enter one of my dreams and try to make me lucid. My current reality check is the nose plug technique.

Do I also have your permission to enter your dreams, GMoney? I read somewhere (however accurate the source was) that it's only possible to enter somebody's dreams if you have their permission. Either that or they were completely bullshitting.

You have my permission to enter my dreams, MindGames. Could you start posting your DJ on this site so I can read and see if any of your entries match up with my dreams?

My main RCs are trying to stick my finger through my hand, and also just examining my hands. I'll see what I can do about entering your dreams as well.

Also, I've never heard the permission thing before, though I would definitely say that getting permission before entering someone's dream just seems a lot more polite and ethical.

I'll post any questionable dreams that I have here, if any. My main focus is going to be actively trying to share a dream, so when I do make an attempt, I'll definitely let you guys know.

Considering the amount of dreams we have per night, it's unlikely we'll be able to remember any sort of spontaneously shared dream. Actively trying to share a dream while lucid is the way to go.

GMoney, I'd also like it if you attempted to make me lucid if you enter my dreams. I haven't had a lucid dream in over 3 weeks, and I could really use one to continue my research.


If you guys want, we could use the Lucid Crossroads (http://www.lucidcrossroads.co.uk) as a potential meeting place. We could use the guestbook there to leave each other messages, since it's improbable we'll be lucid at the same times.


Let's keep our fingers crossed!

I'll make you lucid if I can, MindGames, but I think it's more likely that you'll be lucidifying (awesome word) me! I've had one LD since September, so it might be a while before my next one!

Originally Posted by GMoney

Evilchickens, that's a great idea and I almost posted the same thing myself. I'd definitely participate in that - it should objectively prove shared dreaming one way or another.

The obvious problem is with people cheating, but if we get enough participants that should be minimized. Any skeptics could join and have shared dreaming proven to them, as this would conclusively determine it one way or another. If we could get the majority of the site to join, people could come here and be paired up with someone, tell that person a password, and see if the person replies the next day with the correct password.

We should have two groups - one with a third party and one without. If all the tests involved a third party, there could be suspicion of fixing the results. That's why we need some groups to be direct, with a person coming up with a word themselves, not telling anyone, and delivering it in the dream. Of course, this group wouldn't be as objective because the person in question could lie about what the password was (either way), but it would prove to the individual himself/herself whether this actually works. That person would know in his/her mind, although it wouldn't be accepted by the community.

I can't become lucid regularly yet, so I wouldn't be able to participate right away. It's a great idea, though, and I would strongly recommend all experienced dreamers to participate.

this sounds soooooooo cool! i have the same problem though... no regular lucids but eventually i would like to participate in things like this though in the future and i will definitely keep an eye out on these results!

i'll join once i'v completed a few goals, but i still give people who have posted in this thread permission to enter my dreams

So I haven't had any luck since that LD a few nights ago, that was the closest I've come. Does anyone have anything interesting to share? I hope we can get this going soon, maybe we need someone who's very skilled at LDs who can enter our dreams...

I'm having a little bit of a dry spell right now. My lucids have come as close as 2 weeks apart, but my last lucid was around December 3rd. I changed reality checks a week or two ago, so hopefully I'll have one soon.

I agree, we do need a more experienced LDer.

Yeah, this would be so much easier and faster if we had someone who can LD every single night. We could get the whole test done in about a week, probably. Maybe that's why WakingNomad and RavenKnight are so good - they both get lucid every night so they can share dreams pretty much all the time.

I'll look for someone who can LD very frequently. Right now, I have three people trying to enter my dreams, while two others have the offer but declined. The chance of one of those three people getting lucid combined still isn't as good as someone who could LD every night, and the one time someone actually did attempt to enter my dream I didn't recall, so I can't say if it was a shared dream or just a regular one of me. Hopefully we can get one night where all the factors line up: one of the three people enters my dream and I can recall it. It's got to happen eventually...

I've had mix results with some WILD/VILD, ranging from nothing at all to fairly vivid images and some sounds, but as of yet non succesful. Although I found a friend of my whose been lucid dreaming since he was a little boy. I'll see if he'll help.

If we prove shared dreaming, we could look into ways to stop people coming into are dreams just so we can provide privicy.

Originally Posted by Evilchickens

If we prove shared dreaming...

If we prove shared dreaming, our entire view of reality is completely shattered. It opens up a whole new can of worms, as so many possibilities that sound downright absurd with current scientific knowledge would immediately gain some credibility. If it's possible to enter someone else's dreams, that means that dreams aren't just thoughts local to an individual's brain. It means that dreams are an objective reality and quite possibly another world/dimension/universe. If there's a "dreamscape" out there that anyone can access, that makes some New Age/occult crazy babblings somewhat more credible and could mean that there's something out there beyond the physical world. Non-physical entities could exist, and dream guides could potentially be entities that exist outside of our brains, etc. Proving shared dreaming opens up a million different theories and completely decimates our current perception of reality.

You can see the implications of such a thing being possible. That's why this is such a huge test.

Wow, I guess this does have big implications. Thanks for making that clear, GMoney. For this to cause scientists to rewrite the current laws of physics, though, assuming shared dreaming does turn out to be real, would require far more in-depth and documented research.

In any case, it would be cool if this experiment successfully concluded that shared dreaming exists.

Yeah, it would be awesome. We'd have a really small sample size just doing it with some members of this site, but if someone can prove shared dreaming to me I might be able to take out a research grant next year and make a much larger sample group for testing. Of course, I wouldn't do that if I didn't know for a fact that shared dreaming was true, but it doesn't seem that hard for someone to enter my dream and write down what happened. I have four people trying to enter my dreams now, and all I need is for one of them to post in their dream journal something that happened from my dream (before I post mine) and I'll be completely convinced.

Let's do this!

I don't think scientists would have to change to much of phyisics if shared dreaming was proven but they would probably have a lot they would have to add.

Just to follow up, here's the link to the dream image of Michael and the tree that I posted about.

The intent of the dream was for Michael and I to meet. I found myself in a forest looking for Michael. Another friend, Lucien, showed up and said Michael is closer than you think. I looked around and all I saw were trees. Then I saw one of the tree trunks begin to change. An image of Michael's face appeared on the trunk then Michael emerged from the tree.

I called him the next morning to see if he remembered our meeting. He told me to come over to his house immediately. We walked into his back yard and he showed me this image that he had carved the previous day:

Originally Posted by GMoney

We'd have a really small sample size just doing it with some members of this site, but if someone can prove shared dreaming to me I might be able to take out a research grant next year and make a much larger sample group for testing.

That would be amazing! I'm focusing in research for my major (psychology)...I hope we can get some conclusive results. I didn't even THINK about taking it to that level!

Originally Posted by KristaNicole07

That would be amazing! I'm focusing in research for my major (psychology)...I hope we can get some conclusive results. I didn't even THINK about taking it to that level!

Well, if this thing really is true, it shatters our current scientific understanding of dreams and/or the mind. If someone can conclusively prove this he/she would be very famous, kind of like a modern day Stephen LaBerge. It's really important that this information gets out there, even if it's just telling your professor so a more respected person in the field can pursue it. Shared dreaming literally opens up a whole new world, and it could be universal and interactive.

If you're majoring in psychology, you should have a great opportunity to talk with respected people in the field and you should have a lot of resources available to you. Maybe we could get this started sooner than later!

But of course, we need to make sure that we can do it first. I'm pretty busy tonight so I probably won't sleep much, but tomorrow night and Sunday night I should get plenty of sleep. Let's hope we can dream share then!

I think someone mention this early but if you enters someones dream lucid tell them the password, make them lucid and get them to wake up (jumping around closing your eyes anything that works for you.), as its easier to rememdor a dream you just woke up from.

I've told my friend to do this if he becomes lucid.

Yeah, if you enter another person's dream, the first thing you should do is try to make them lucid. That way they're conscious of what's happening and can wake their self up after the password is exchanged. I find the best way to wake yourself up is to close your eyes and do nothing.