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Wow!! Was this all from one night? Three lucids? I mean, are you kidding me? Wow, congratulations on such an awesome night!

I'm especially impressed by how you took three DCs along with you as persistent companions. Yeah, you did lose one of them at one point, but it's cool that it was no problem for your brain to keep track of the extra characters moving through the dream scenery with you. I guess that come to think of it, I've moved over significant periods of time with my wife and kids, but I sort of view them as a unit since we're often traveling together. At some point I may have to try to up the count of dream companions and see where that leads me.

Hey, this grab the moon technique sounds great! That gives me an idea for the "North America" portion of Task of the Year, which involves transforming into King Kong and climbing up to the top of the Empire State Building for a showdown with the military. If you approach a building from some distance and start climbing it when it's small and distant, it seems natural to think of yourself as actually close but very, very big. I like the way you altered scale like that. Very handy trick!

Anyway, great night for you! I hope you get a bunch more like this. And I hope I get a bunch like this!

And thanks again! Oh yeah, I'm excited to give it another shot now that I have a better idea of how to handle it. It should be interesting! =) And wait, you ate a rock? How did this happen?

Totally. Your face-stuffing technique will be an order of magnitude better now that you've prepped yourself for it. =) Man, if I were to actually premeditate a lucid dream in which I stuffed my face? Oh my, the damage I would do.

Heh heh, yeah I did wind up chowing down on a rock. I was going for Advanced Task of the Month (turn coal into a diamond) and was thinking this might be a way to turn a rock into coal pretty easily, so I bit off a chunk of it just to see how that'd go. It was delicious! This was the dream where it happened: Rock Candy - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Edit: I should also mention that the rock-eating dream was a peppermint tea dream. Menthol!

Originally Posted by NewArtemis

Gonna be honest, that made me laugh out loud. Poor Aly! I don't think I've ever met an old lady quite so venomous as yours, IWL or in a dream

I thought you just meant ambient noise! I understand what you mean though. Sometimes when I'm in the shower the noise of the showerhead starts sounding like violins and everything else gets added in. As soon as I pay attention to it it disappears. Can't say I've ever had that insane amount of stimulation in a dream though! Especially not a lucid!

Don't worry, you can laugh at my suffering, that was a long time ago. But thank you. =P And I should hope you never have to meet one!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about! That's the thing though... see, it's not really so much that there's a stimulation creating it... it's just there. I said "ambient non-sound" because there really isn't a sound, there's only a presence. Basically, imagine that shower situation with everything exactly the same except for no shower sounds. In other words... the illusory noise that disappears if you actually try to hear it is there, but no other sound is. So it's almost like sound that only exists when it's not observed. However, in a dream you're not just going to stop and try to hear the silence when there's no white noise to set you off. It slips totally under your radar until it disappears on its own... leaving a totally noticeable difference if you were aware enough to catch it, but not one that you can validate by comparing it to when it was around, because even then you couldn't isolate it. Yeah... I think that's about the best way to describe it. That make sense? And yes, I am pretty much asking you if you've ever noticed if something you weren't paying attention to disappeared lol.

I wouldn't be surprised if you don't get this though, or at least if you've never caught it before.... I happen to be pretty attuned to these tiny changes in my perception and it wasn't dreams that first made me notice this. Being aware of things without observing them is a big part of my dream control and perception though, so things like this stand out to me now.

Originally Posted by CanisLucidus

Aly, welcome back! Good to see you still rocking the DILDs!

Congratulations, by the way, on Task of the Month. I think you're going to like the look of those wings on you! The food actually sounded pretty great even though I know it didn't measure up to your expectation. But I'll bet that with another try in the right frame of mind you'll enjoy it even more. Heck, I enjoyed chewing on a particularly tasty rock a few nights ago, so you never know when good food will find you. =) And while I found the rock amazingly tasty, your grandma's bag of dog squeeze is more adventurous than I'd recommend you trying to be.

I LOL'd at the fact that you had to feel up each summoning attempt "just to make sure".

Thanks, Canis! ^_^

And thanks again! Oh yeah, I'm excited to give it another shot now that I have a better idea of how to handle it. It should be interesting! =) And wait, you ate a rock? How did this happen?

And of course, you can never be too certain, right?

Aly, welcome back! Good to see you still rocking the DILDs!

Congratulations, by the way, on Task of the Month. I think you're going to like the look of those wings on you! The food actually sounded pretty great even though I know it didn't measure up to your expectation. But I'll bet that with another try in the right frame of mind you'll enjoy it even more. Heck, I enjoyed chewing on a particularly tasty rock a few nights ago, so you never know when good food will find you. =) And while I found the rock amazingly tasty, your grandma's bag of dog squeeze is more adventurous than I'd recommend you trying to be.

I LOL'd at the fact that you had to feel up each summoning attempt "just to make sure".

she ran up to me out of nowhere and punched me in the face and I died. :c

Gonna be honest, that made me laugh out loud. Poor Aly! I don't think I've ever met an old lady quite so venomous as yours, IWL or in a dream

I thought you just meant ambient noise! I understand what you mean though. Sometimes when I'm in the shower the noise of the showerhead starts sounding like violins and everything else gets added in. As soon as I pay attention to it it disappears. Can't say I've ever had that insane amount of stimulation in a dream though! Especially not a lucid!

Originally Posted by 101Volts

Did the dog turds come from a store-bought bag? And perhaps she's not literally a stepmother IRL but spitting in her food doesn't sound like a way to get her to like you and not put dog turds in your food. (Though some people will not be nice, Why get on their bad side to make them not like you? People misinterpret things too.)

I'm not entirely sure where they were from, I didn't think to ask. >.> Perhaps my reaction was a little bit childish, but come on lol. Dog turds? Really?

Originally Posted by NewArtemis

Hey hey, good to see you back! What an evil old lady. Old ladies seem to be either sweet or evil, have you noticed? Lucky with the food! I would have done the same thing. Was it just like eating air or the same texture/consistency each time?

Interesting about the ambient dream noises as well. While I haven't been paying much attention, it seems like I only heard background noise in my last lucid.

Good to be back! I'm actually thinking about just switching to mostly DJ entries again for a bit and avoiding the main forum, so I don't feel so overwhelmed by it all... I've been having to juggle quite a few different social channels lately.

You know, you're right. And this one was pure evil! Actually, I think they usually are for me. The first old lady dream I can ever remember having was from when I was just a little kid, she ran up to me out of nowhere and punched me in the face and I died. :c

It was pretty much like eating air, that was issue.... It was like, I got the taste fine because I wanted it, but it didn't even cross my mind that the sensation of eating might not come if I don't require it to. Next time I'll try to keep it in mind though, mastering the free food technique is a personal life goal!

About the noise... it's kind of like... well, you know how if you stand in a room with a lot of white noise like a loud air conditioner of something running for a long time you can start hearing little illusions? Like music playing, or people talking on the other side of the wall or door, but only until you try to really listen for it and then it's gone. It's like that.... For me that presence is always there in a dream, unless it's falling apart. The same actually applies to being on a hallucinogen and suddenly sobering up a bit and realizing what's going on... there's a sudden silence that lets you know the altered state of consciousness has really passed. Does that make sense? I think it's actually that same effect that allows your mind to believe that there actually is someone standing behind you when you turn around. When the non-sound drops my dreams also become completely devoid of DCs.

Hey hey, good to see you back! What an evil old lady. Old ladies seem to be either sweet or evil, have you noticed? Lucky with the food! I would have done the same thing. Was it just like eating air or the same texture/consistency each time?

Interesting about the ambient dream noises as well. While I haven't been paying much attention, it seems like I only heard background noise in my last lucid.

Did the dog turds come from a store-bought bag? And perhaps she's not literally a stepmother IRL but spitting in her food doesn't sound like a way to get her to like you and not put dog turds in your food. (Though some people will not be nice, Why get on their bad side to make them not like you? People misinterpret things too.)

Ahh! That hexagon dream was so old that I hadn't thought of how it might apply to what you've mentioned before about psychedelics and the fractal patterns that they tend to produce. That's a great explanation for your "repeating faces in the crowd" calea dream.

If I get back to something like this, I'll try to have the presence of mind to zoom out (or in!) and see what I can find. I make no promises on any matters which concern emotional maturity, but I'll try to be a big boy this time if I feel like my brain is producing a low framerate or has a really low polygon count.

Fractals are one of the ways that huge amounts of data can be represented in a relatively limited space. It makes total sense that the brain would employ them. Not to personify evolution, but there's something really satisfying about the fact that nature "chose" such an elegant approach. It's one of the many tricks that lets the brain be, as Emily Dickinson said, "wider than the sky".

Originally Posted by CanisLucidus

I love it!! You ran your mental GPU right out of RAM. That's cool that it was so extreme that it was actually a noticeable effect that your conscious mind could observe. I get such a kick out of the brain observing itself like that.

Speaking of the limits of mental hardware, I had this one dream where I was flying over these multi-layered, mostly-transparent tessellations of glass-like hexagons. As my view zoomed out to see more and more of these surfaces, the "frame rate" of the dream began to slow down. As this continued, I briefly became lucid. But I felt all insecure about my brain having a low framerate. The thought got me sort of upset and I woke up.

Eep, I almost passed this over!

Believe it or not, I thought about exactly what you described here immediately before I read it lol. Because when I read your post first I re-read what you quoted from my part, and I stopped to think back on it. I thought to myself that it was likely just a sheet of repeating hexagons that my mind added detail to to create a series of faces and made big enough that I was entirely in just one unique set within the hexagon field, but that field was only so big and so when I got too far away from it I saw where it ended and began repeating in every direction.

The mind loves to use tessellations like that, and hexagons seems to be one of the most common bases by far. The next time you experience something like that you should keep going higher and higher and higher. That slowed framerate sounds just like what can happen while tripping, just as the patterns are becoming more intense like that. You may end up seeing or experiencing something pretty psychedelic!

I love that it got you upset though.

Maybe it's because I don't smoke it and maybe (now with some new information from the menthol thread) I boiled out all the goodies. That first night I got a mild lucid and I had actually put some in capsules. I plan to try it again one day but I may go for the liquid extract. Or I may try smoking it just once.

You know, the whole menthol boiling discussion made me think the same thing! Do you remember how you thought that the taste of Calea "wasn't that bad"? Calea's foul taste is so legendary that in retrospect that may have been a sign that something was off.

So the next time you try it, if the taste makes you want to cry, you're probably doing it right.

It's too bad that we know so little about what's really going on with calea Z. Until we know better, we probably have to assume that the good stuff can boil off just like menthol.

Yeah, I have never heard any kind of serious explanation for what's going on with Calea Z. Hey, how'd you like it? Xanous didn't seem to get much out of it, which disappointed me.

Maybe it's because I don't smoke it and maybe (now with some new information from the menthol thread) I boiled out all the goodies. That first night I got a mild lucid and I had actually put some in capsules. I plan to try it again one day but I may go for the liquid extract. Or I may try smoking it just once.

I came to this thread to raid the Goodies Catalog that you so kindly provided above. (Love it, BTW! ) But I just had to comment on this:

One time I got lucid with it while at a theme park and I was Hulk jumping between the roofs of all the different buildings there, and essentially it was like there was so much detail that my brain ran out of RAM and just had to keep recycling the same data lol. I was laughing my ass off because I was just watching the crowd as I jumped and every so often it would just start to be the same people over and over again

I love it!! You ran your mental GPU right out of RAM. That's cool that it was so extreme that it was actually a noticeable effect that your conscious mind could observe. I get such a kick out of the brain observing itself like that.

Speaking of the limits of mental hardware, I had this one dream where I was flying over these multi-layered, mostly-transparent tessellations of glass-like hexagons. As my view zoomed out to see more and more of these surfaces, the "frame rate" of the dream began to slow down. As this continued, I briefly became lucid. But I felt all insecure about my brain having a low framerate. The thought got me sort of upset and I woke up.

But thanks, it's my own fault anyway lol. I ate pizza for like four meals in a row. Actually, five. I had some today, too. >.>

LOL. Now that I did not expect. I'm glad that you're feeling better though! (I take your Pizza Courage as a sign that you're feeling pretty good again.) I think that I could eat pizza for every meal (if I set aside all nutritonal concerns), but after a night like that? Not so sure. =)

I'm actually only finished up through the third season myself! I got that far back when that's actually all there was of it, and then I just never got back into it when it picked up again. I'll probably get to it eventually with my friend though, we're making a habit of marathoning tons of different shows. I am interested to see where the series has gone since I left off! And that's pretty crazy with the mirror. Probably the oddest thing like that I've ever had was when I saw myself as Lucille from Arrested Development. Now that's just a creepy thought!

Ah, season four is great! I think that you'll really like it. I was stoked when they got that on Netflix. So stoked that after I finished it, I had to buy as much of season 5 as I could on Amazon.

Well, the thing about calea tea is that the main thing I've heard about it, that I've heard from everyone I've talked to about it, is that it's pretty much the most foul-tasting thing in the world. So if you want to risk going through that and having it not work... be my guest. I've never done anything but smoke it. But, I would have to imagine that the traditional method was more likely to involve drinking it than smoking it, but I couldn't say for certain. I would just look up a good amount of experience reports first... and make sure you get the best recipe you can so it doesn't go to waste!

Thanks, that's good advice! You know, I am really starting to wonder then. Because I've heard the exact same thing about the foul taste, but Xanous said that he thought mugwort actually tasted more disgusting than the Calea Z. It makes me wonder if this wasn't the right stuff or was somehow mixed with something else. Beacuse that's what everyone warns you about with that calea Z... that you almost smoke it out of necessity. =D

I know, it really felt like I was about to enter the TV. Oh well, hopefully I'll get it down next time!

But thanks, it's my own fault anyway lol. I ate pizza for like four meals in a row. Actually, five. I had some today, too. >.> But there's just... so much. X) As for the Librium, I don't know how much of an effect it really had. Valium would probably just destroy recall, benzos tend to suppress REM pretty strongly. Librium is not exactly the same... it's related, but it's mostly physical. That's why I like taking it for anxiety over something like Xanax, too. There's not really any sedation or anything like that. If it did have an effect I'd imagine it was minor.

I'm actually only finished up through the third season myself! I got that far back when that's actually all there was of it, and then I just never got back into it when it picked up again. I'll probably get to it eventually with my friend though, we're making a habit of marathoning tons of different shows. I am interested to see where the series has gone since I left off! And that's pretty crazy with the mirror. Probably the oddest thing like that I've ever had was when I saw myself as Lucille from Arrested Development. Now that's just a creepy thought!

Well, the thing about calea tea is that the main thing I've heard about it, that I've heard from everyone I've talked to about it, is that it's pretty much the most foul-tasting thing in the world. So if you want to risk going through that and having it not work... be my guest. I've never done anything but smoke it. But, I would have to imagine that the traditional method was more likely to involve drinking it than smoking it, but I couldn't say for certain. I would just look up a good amount of experience reports first... and make sure you get the best recipe you can so it doesn't go to waste!

And thank you!

Ahh great, you went for the Calea Z after all! Cool! Looks like a pretty great series of dreams, including that neat little lucid about jumping into the TV. I thought you had it for a second! I know that you've had the idea of a video game lucid on your mind so that was a good setup.

Sorry about your rough night though! At least it sounds like you had a fun couple of days before it caught up with you. I wonder what the effect of Librium or Valium is on dreaming.

I understand about rewatching Breaking Bad. We cope any way we can when awaiting the 2nd half of season 5. =D I once looked into a mirror in an LD and showed up as Heisenberg. Shocked me right awake since before then I'd been my usual idealized but oddly dressed DC version of my self!

All in all, this sounds like another nice success for Calea. Do you think that there's any significant difference between smoking it and drinking it in a tea? Xanous consumed his in a tea but got comparatively poor results. I always thought tea would be an easier sell to my wife. There's a big gulf between "I'm going to go make myself some herbal tea" and "Now that the kids are in bed, I'm going to smoke a bowl of this sacred Mexican dream herb. Have you seen my shamanic robes lying around anywhere?"

Congrats on the LD!

Yeah, I have never heard any kind of serious explanation for what's going on with Calea Z. Hey, how'd you like it? Xanous didn't seem to get much out of it, which disappointed me. I love the (pure fantasy) idea that there's this exotic, nearly-magical Central American dream herb out there that can unlock these amazing, transcendent dream experiences.

I love calea. I've never had anything but great success with it. One of my friends, and a few of my old friends that I don't see anymore, also swear by it. Obviously I can't guarantee that it'll be the same for everyone, but it always gives me a very specific effect. Basically... it's like the dream world's processing power becomes so high that everything is pointlessly over-detailed. For example... say that you're in a normal dream scene that's taking place in a crowded environment, like a public street. In a normal dream there might be a lot of people there, but most (if not all) of them will be completely ignored or nondescript, right? Keep in mind that I'm talking about a non-lucid setting, so all of these people are just totally lost to background noise. On calea, I'll be in that same setting but every single person that walks by in the background, and there will be a TON of them, will not only be vividly detailed and stick out in memory, but will have their own phenotype, fashion sense, hair style, and series of random objects or shopping bags being juggled between their hands. And that's what I mean by pointlessly detailed.... There's so much!! One time I got lucid with it while at a theme park and I was Hulk jumping between the roofs of all the different buildings there, and essentially it was like there was so much detail that my brain ran out of RAM and just had to keep recycling the same data lol. I was laughing my ass off because I was just watching the crowd as I jumped and every so often it would just start to be the same people over and over again.

Another thing is the adrenaline rushes. I've never been able to stay asleep through stimulation the way I have on calea! The first night I ever used it I had a dream that I went to a rave on roller skates where I actually took ecstasy and ended up rolling really hard and made lots of friends, and then I drove home and went to bed, and then I woke up in my real bed. It took me a few minutes to realize that it hadn't actually happened because it was so vivid. I also had a dream once where people were chasing me and an old high school friend down and the adrenaline was pumping really hard, it was like an action movie, but I stayed sound asleep through the whole thing.

And then there's the trippiness, which is one of the rarer but still significant aspects for me.... That D2 rave I just did in the other DJ comment thread? Calea is the only thing that's ever made my dreams have the same kind of feel to them.... There was this one in a psychedelic dimension with a pink background where there was F-Zero-type racing going on and I felt myself as a third-person perception as this princess wearing black and white striped clothes and all this stuff that just... that just.... *sigh* You know I said in that rave that concepts like perfection become normal? Yeah.... I love calea.

I'm probably going to end up smoking some tonight now!

Among the set that posts lots of pictures of themselves flexing and says "bro" a lot, I saw a guy talk about take 7 grams right before bed and having really vivid dreams. So a pretty significant dose!

Wow, that is a really high dose!! I may have to consider bumping it up at least a little bit then. o.o

I definitely will! Like you, I was also underwhelmed by the DMAE -> ACh pathway theory so I've been on the hunt for more certainty. There was a research study back in the late 80s that investigated its impact on lucid dreaming. If I don't find answers, I may be curious to pay the toll at the pay-wall and see what they found.

That would be pretty cool to see, I'll look forward to hearing about that if you do. ^_^

Ohhhh my! What a stash!! That is awesome.

Hang on to that piracetam... the FDA started tightening the noose on it recently, and it disappeared off of Amazon just a few weeks after I bought mine! Piracetam banned and removed from Amazon.com - Braintropic

Oh wow, I wasn't aware of that. I'll definitely hold on to it then. Thanks for the tip! =)

1/25th of a pill!? That's like... art. How can you be sure you've even taking anything? ...Well, it's possible that he avoided the D2 antagonism at that level, but I don't see myself chopping a pill that precisely any time soon, sooo....

That's the thing too, though. Like I said, yohimbine is a physical stimulant, and it causes anxiety because it does have that fight-or-flight response. Rauwolscine doesn't. I think it's easy to see which one would be preferable!

I'll probably try this pretty soon, it's just something I want to be really careful with. I know very little about it, after all. More caution is always good when dealing with a plant chemical instead of something like a vitamin or amino acid.

Oh, if you tried enough D2 drugs I think you would be able to pick it out, too.... Though I say that, but from what I can tell I may actually be somewhat sensitive to it. It's undeniable to me. It's basically like... it forces me into a state of pure, transcendental, sexual bliss, fills my imagination with endless corresponding psychedelic chaos, drives my mind's processing power to its maximum capacity so that concepts like "infinity" and "perfection" are entirely commonplace, and then forces the generation of the dream world... and since all of those other things are my state of mind - just as how dream control works because whatever your mind renders is what the dream world is - it's exactly those things that my reality becomes.

I could go on so much more about that... but I have to go to a family birthday party now lol. Perhaps another time!

Thanks, I hope so! Gotta admit, I get excited almost every night that I try a supplement combo. And now you are filling my head with even more ideas, ha ha...

Menthol night went okay, but I stayed up too late with Wife helping her make cookies for a baby shower she's throwing. (By "help" I mean run out to buy stuff she needs, constantly sample the ingredients, and remark that "these smell great!" =D) With early rising kiddos, total sleep was less than 6 hours... argh. There were a couple of sexy NLDs in the morning, but I just had nowhere near enough runway to have an LD.

See? This is why I rotate in menthol 2x a week. Gotta have a backup night. =D

Haha, that is a good plan. Sounds like a busy night. =P And I don't blame you, I would probably be "helping" quite a bit myself!

Cool, makes sense to me. I hope that it's been doing the trick for you. What I like about the way L-theanine mellows is that it does it without hitting you like some kind of bear tranquilizer. The mind just quiets down, and the rest is left up to you. It's almost like something that just gently adjusts the volume knob on your inner dialogue.

Yeah, it's nice. And that's a good description, it kind of reminds me of smoking blue lotus. It's definitely been making me feel better overall, I feel less tense in general than I did before, and my headaches are getting less intense. I'll probably keep on using it for some time!

I love it! You are always up to something. Very clever idea on the acetyl-L-carnitine. Is there a single fitness supplement you haven't managed to exploit for dream work?

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And you're right that combining w/ an AChE inhibitor like G or huperzine-A would likely have a crazy effect since you'd be boosting ACh levels through both AChE inhibition AND the high levels of ChAT. Frankly, I'm a little frightened at the thought. LOL. There's no way to predict what kind of desensitization effect that might have!

Just when I assume I've heard about all your LD supplement ideas, you go rummaging around and drag out a whole new box of exotic herbs and bodybuilding supplements. I love all this thinking. You really get a lot of mileage out of your research.

Not if I have anything to say about it there isn't. X) Like I said, fitness forums are a goldmine!

Here's something interesting I've read since I made that post.... Galantamine, and many other acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, actually block the uptake of acetyl-L-carnitine and prevent it from passing through the blood-brain barrier! So if one did take them together, they would have to take the ALCAR first and give it enough time to absorb.... I'm thinking about doing it myself, but I'm not totally sure yet lol. The main thing I like about it is that an AChE inhibitor only keeps the choline as acetylcholine longer, but the ALCAR would actually then reduce the amount of time that choline is kept as acetylcholine once it gets there.... I can only imagine what kind of effect that could have! But it would definitely have to be done with care... and maybe with some atropine around just in case you start feeling a little poisoned.

Heh heh heh heh.... I actually have lots of stored up ideas, some of which I've never mentioned on DV or anywhere else. :3 There are always new tools to experiment with. And thanks, I'll take that as a compliment! =D

Yeah, you got me there. I just figure we'll either come across the mechanism eventually, or it could just be working on something that we don't understand yet. There's sure to be some supplements that effect dreams in ways that we haven't discovered yet, just like how no one knows how calea works if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, I have never heard any kind of serious explanation for what's going on with Calea Z. Hey, how'd you like it? Xanous didn't seem to get much out of it, which disappointed me. I love the (pure fantasy) idea that there's this exotic, nearly-magical Central American dream herb out there that can unlock these amazing, transcendent dream experiences.

I probably won't be increasing the dose any time soon, but what did you find people using? I just took a single dose of what I have, I didn't try to plan it out any further than that.

Among the set that posts lots of pictures of themselves flexing and says "bro" a lot, I saw a guy talk about take 7 grams right before bed and having really vivid dreams. So a pretty significant dose!

Hmm, DMAE.... I wonder. I have read separate reports that suggest that it may be as simple as DMAE -> phosphatidyl-DMAE -> phosphatidylcholine -> choline -> acetylcholine, but I have to wonder about that. If it does have a legitimate effect, I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with its metabolite dimethylglycine's stimulant effect. From my understanding it may actually lower acetylcholine levels, since it blocks the uptake of choline and prevents it from being metabolized. I'm not sure if anyone knows the real reason though, there's been a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty around DMAE. Let me know if you find anything!

I definitely will! Like you, I was also underwhelmed by the DMAE -> ACh pathway theory so I've been on the hunt for more certainty. There was a research study back in the late 80s that investigated its impact on lucid dreaming. If I don't find answers, I may be curious to pay the toll at the pay-wall and see what they found.

Heh... you're not wrong. After a quick search, this is what I can find lying around my room:

Ohhhh my! What a stash!! That is awesome.

Hang on to that piracetam... the FDA started tightening the noose on it recently, and it disappeared off of Amazon just a few weeks after I bought mine! Piracetam banned and removed from Amazon.com - Braintropic