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    1. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Thanks, you two! It's been a little bit since I've done a clean DEILD. (Using DEILD attempts as an excuse to fall asleep without DJing doesn't count, ha ha...) So I was pleased that the majority of the LD experience had come from DEILD.

      The beginning of the ld was super cool too! So you are taking sorcery lessons? Got to teach me how to do those spells!
      Ha ha, thanks! What was even crazier was that I seemed to be trying to give lessons... not sure what made me think that I knew anything about spellcasting. (Especially since the girl was the one doing 100% of the actual magic!)

      I'm with you... spells would be a great tool to have! For some reason I don't do many spell-like things beyond force-pushing, but what would be wrong with going full Harry Potter and using that schema to make cool stuff happen in the dream? Gotta use this smilie again:
    2. NyxCC's Avatar
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      Nice! Congrats on Totm and the lds!

      The beginning of the ld was super cool too! So you are taking sorcery lessons? Got to teach me how to do those spells!
    3. Highlander's Avatar
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      Congratulations on the LD CL.

      I like how you managed to hold for the DEILD and of course getting the TOTM with confidence and some style.
    4. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Thanks, dude, I think that I really will. It's been a while since I tried to get all "Gateway to the Inner Self". Well apart from the teleport-zooming.
    5. Xanous's Avatar
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      Yes. It's always fascinating meeting DCs because they are just a part of you but they seem to be a separate intelligence. I think you should go for it.
    6. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Read an article about this recently. It looks like even if you can't recall a certain piece of information, the same brain areas light up as when you are able to recall it, showing it is indeed somewhere there! The challenge for us remains how to access it.
      Hey, that sounds like a cool study. Rather than a storage problem per se, so much of learning how to properly use our brains is about organization and access of information.

      It's like how those memory champions remember these crazy long strings of numbers by putting together stories or "memory palaces" in their heads. The sheer quantity of visual information isn't an issue at all, so long as there is a coherent way to organize it. Fascinating stuff.
    7. NyxCC's Avatar
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      And I like your attitude... I hope that wherever these memories lie that they are kept safe! You know that there's storage beyond our conscious immediate recall, just from those experiences of suddenly remembering a bit of an NLD and then the rest coming back to you after you keep thinking through it.
      Read an article about this recently. It looks like even if you can't recall a certain piece of information, the same brain areas light up as when you are able to recall it, showing it is indeed somewhere there! The challenge for us remains how to access it.
    8. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Alas, we are always faced with those post ld dilemmas and trade offs, to Deild or not to deild? I have lost a good amount of ld info this way due to falling into unconscious sleep post ld. The pull of the pillow is just too strong!

      On the brighter side of things, I take solace that even if I forgot an ld or info from it, the experience is still stored somewhere in my subcon and I still got an ld workout.
      Ha ha, the "pull of the pillow" is strong indeed! A great deal of what I've learned in lucid dreaming is just having the grit necessary to drag myself out of bed when the time is right. And I still kind of suck at that many nights. But I'm much much better than I once was, that's for sure!

      And I like your attitude... I hope that wherever these memories lie that they are kept safe! You know that there's storage beyond our conscious immediate recall, just from those experiences of suddenly remembering a bit of an NLD and then the rest coming back to you after you keep thinking through it.

      But I only completely relax once I get the thing down on paper or on DV.
    9. NyxCC's Avatar
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      Yep, that's a good question... I did journal each of these right after waking up. Well, paper and pencil, dialogue + keywords/sentence fragments to make sure I have the gist. I don't bother writing any of it as a cohesive story until I get time the next day. I just write down everything I'll need in order to remember.

      I think that these also serve as a bit of a mini-WBTB, which is also good for motivation to keep doing it. It is sometimes not easy at all to get out of bed and journal. I sometimes say to myself that I'm going to just "lay here and try to DEILD" but I strongly suspect I just want to fall back to sleep. The recall is so much better if I do get up and at least write down some bits and pieces. Otherwise the dialogue in particular will be completely gone by the morning.
      That makes sence. I try to put down keywords and run through the dream in my head (slightly lifted from the pillow - you know why!). Totally agree about the taking notes action being used as a mini-wbtb. This technique seems to be working quite well for you.

      Alas, we are always faced with those post ld dilemmas and trade offs, to Deild or not to deild? I have lost a good amount of ld info this way due to falling into unconscious sleep post ld. The pull of the pillow is just too strong!

      On the brighter side of things, I take solace that even if I forgot an ld or info from it, the experience is still stored somewhere in my subcon and I still got an ld workout.
    10. NyxCC's Avatar
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      Nice, sounds like some outstanding dream training! I think that this kind of smart practice is a big part of the reason you've done such a great job developing your dream skills.
      Could be. I think that there definitely are some positive spillover effects, but the overall improvement I am hoping to make is taking a much longer time than expected. Still, I look forward to this little experiment yielding nice results sooner or later.
    11. Highlander's Avatar
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      @ CL.

      Yes, confidence and practice seem to be the key. I will have to take a leaf out of your book on this.
    12. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      I like when New Art plays dream guide. Its rare that mine are ever that helpful. Cool dream.
      Thanks, man! Yeah, me too... I am definitely fortunate in how often my DCs will help me out and try to point me in the right direction. Art's by far the most consistently helpful, so it was great having her make another appearance!

      With Task of the Year winding down, I should think about looking at some DC-related goals. I'm especially interested in the completely original "smart DCs" I've encountered in the past like "the mayoress" or "Stacey Dash" or "travel buddy" (she probably needs a new name.) Can I call them back up? Would any of them serve as a DG? Allow me to converse with them in depth? I've always wondered about that kind of thing...
    13. Xanous's Avatar
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      I like when New Art plays dream guide. Its rare that mine are ever that helpful. Cool dream.
    14. Xanous's Avatar
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      I love the places you DILD in. So cool man!
    15. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Yeah, I agree with all of that. I have in fact for the most part tried to give up DEILDing out of full-length lucids (if I can remember to do so.) Otherwise, a significant percentage of the time I just wind up falling back asleep, which compromises recall a bit. Fortunately, recall in lucids seems to be far better than normal dreams, so it's not a total disaster. But still!

      You're right about anxiety too. I find that it's hard to avoid worrying about stuff in the dream state, or that at least it takes a lot more practice. It seems that the rational mind is what I lean on for dissipating worries and this seems to just take a little bit more effort/practice in dreams than IWL. It seems that the best result is when this is turned into a positive. When I can focus on remembering details (rather than worrying that I won't remember them), I seem to get a nice boost in vividness without the anxiety/dulling effect that you mention.
    16. Highlander's Avatar
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      Originally Posted by CL
      Yep, that's a good question... I did journal each of these right after waking up. Well, paper and pencil, dialogue + keywords/sentence fragments to make sure I have the gist. I don't bother writing any of it as a cohesive story until I get time the next day. I just write down everything I'll need in order to remember.

      I think that these also serve as a bit of a mini-WBTB, which is also good for motivation to keep doing it. It is sometimes not easy at all to get out of bed and journal. I sometimes say to myself that I'm going to just "lay here and try to DEILD" but I strongly suspect I just want to fall back to sleep. The recall is so much better if I do get up and at least write down some bits and pieces. Otherwise the dialogue in particular will be completely gone by the morning.
      I think you raise a good few points here regarding your recording methods. It definitely strikes a chord with me, especially writing the keywords and the mini-WBTB.
      The part about DEILD but want to fall asleep is so true - I have failed to record normal dreams down due to that course of action.
      I also have often 'worried' whilst having an LD like if I can cope trying to remember and transcribe the detail down afterwards! This can certainly dull the experience and and a dream prematurely if you are not too careful.
      I do try and get the dialogue down first and keywords, where applicable.
      I have been known to write the story backwards in staged paragraphs. (Not totally recommended if you're liable to forget after; but good if you put the paragraphs in order, etc.)
      I managed to remember a big block of the start this way - however, I only ever do it if I'm really worried about losing the dream story and detail, usually when I cannot remember the start initially.
    17. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Quote Originally Posted by NyxCC
      The storylines of your recent lds are absolutely awesome! I found the part where you lowered the graphics especially cool.

      I know I have asked this before, but am still curious about these - did you journal after each one or had them one after the other? Either way, very impressive as usual.
      Thanks, I am the type to definitely enjoy winding up in a video game. And leave it to me to fiddle with the graphical settings for no reason.

      Yep, that's a good question... I did journal each of these right after waking up. Well, paper and pencil, dialogue + keywords/sentence fragments to make sure I have the gist. I don't bother writing any of it as a cohesive story until I get time the next day. I just write down everything I'll need in order to remember.

      I think that these also serve as a bit of a mini-WBTB, which is also good for motivation to keep doing it. It is sometimes not easy at all to get out of bed and journal. I sometimes say to myself that I'm going to just "lay here and try to DEILD" but I strongly suspect I just want to fall back to sleep. The recall is so much better if I do get up and at least write down some bits and pieces. Otherwise the dialogue in particular will be completely gone by the morning.
    18. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      Really cool ld. It think though the great applause here should go not to the excellent and impressive DC summon, but to summoning a perfectly functional and extremely helpful DC. The conversation between you guys had me thinking you might have really gotten Artie to help you out with this one.
      Thanks, and I agree... if you can just DCs that will be both helpful and act even somewhat normal, you're doing pretty well! Yeah, the next time I catch up with Art I'm going to definitely ask what her dream recall was like Thanksgiving night and whether anything lined up. We've had the occasional NLD appearances in the last couple months but this is the first lucid, sustained, and well-recalled cameo either of us has reported recently.

      The whole story with the space mission, the cop and the big guy was really cool too. Also, I can't help but happily notice that you have been having a third series of threes. Looks like you are streamlining your ld power to fit your busy schedule, allowing for big lucidity bursts that make the day here. Keep those awesome lds coming.
      Thanks, I enjoyed it too! The "threes" series you noticed didn't escape my attention either! I think that it must have something to do with my natural REM cycles post-WBTB. I think that these WBTBs are happening around the same time. On the nights when I am doing a serious WBTB, I'm relying on pee water to kick the whole thing off. And after each dream, it may be that writing the dream down serves as a mini-WBTB, giving me a semi-consistent pattern...? That's my best guess as to where the consistency comes from on these.

      The encouragement is much appreciated! I do get mildly worried sometimes about the busy schedule messing up my LDs, so these "big nights" help set my mind a bit more at ease.
    19. CanisLucidus's Avatar
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      That's so true! In fact, I have been trying to brainwash myself during visualizations using the motto "I think, therefore it exists", even if I am unable to see something immediately, I make myself believe (during visualizations so far, but I want to transfer this to dreams), that my very thought is giving the object some sort of existence somewhere and that I will catch a glimpse of it sooner or later. I love how intuitively and easily you can pick up on these things and do them.
      Nice, sounds like some outstanding dream training! I think that this kind of smart practice is a big part of the reason you've done such a great job developing your dream skills.

      It's funny how so much of this is down to simply realizing the truth of dreams. As you say, "that my very thought is giving the object some sort of existence somewhere". That we are the dream and the dream is us.

      The last sentence of my previous comment also applies here. It's a real pleasure to read how you pick up those skills and perform amazing feats. I think what's very important is getting in the right mood to do this (and with as little interference from our thoughts as possible). When we are in the proper mood things really seem to flow so easily, dreams or real life. And needless to say, I want to try this drawing thing too!
      Aww, thank you! I am really looking forward to seeing how your dream artistry talents take shape!
    20. fogelbise's Avatar
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      Interesting, so you try to do a glottal stop and if your air "breaks through", then you'd conclude that you're dreaming. Is that right?
      Well that is the way it is meant to be done, but I was just making the popping/clicking/clucking sound associated with using it in language but I may try the way it is meant to be along with your excellent tips above, thank you! I also realized I can try that not breathing thing in that thread we both responded in. I am playing around with a mantra "Every time I find myself back in bed #1 I DEILD, #2 I Reality Check" and also "Every time I am in a bedroom or see a bed I Reality Check." I think that I have an awful lot of FA's that I am not catching or remembering because they probably seem like such a mundane activity, that we do every single day, to the waking mind. Even when they are weird in a dream, the dreaming mind slickly folds it into a scenario that somehow "makes sense" to the dreaming mind's usual lack of waking memories.
      Updated 12-01-2013 at 02:54 AM by fogelbise
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