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    1. KarlaB18's Avatar
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      This brings me back to a dream I had ages ago. I had Skype open, hoping to talk to an American voice actor, but he was twisted in this dream and he started playing this music that would put me into a permanent sleep to have nightmares. No matter what I did, I couldn't stop the music, even by closing Skype. I even heard the music when I retreated into my backyard.
    2. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Love the interaction between you and the kid!
      I think because when I was a kid, adults were often nice to me (when they had no special reason to be), I feel like I should be the same way to kids I interact with. I guess in this particular case it wasn't anything too special though.

      Looking back I can see that some adults did things for me that meant they were going out of their way to do it. As a kid I didn't realise that they were, so perhaps I didn't really appreciate it in the same way; I also appreciate it more now because as adults ourselves we're unlikely to receive that kind of special treatment by other adults.

      Edit: And as you can see I am still doing the competition scoring, I've just not been having much luck and been very tired; I'll update my score on the main thread at some point soon.
    3. KarlaB18's Avatar
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      Love the interaction between you and the kid!
    4. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      This is really awesome! I loved the previous dream about your lizard (and the strong symbolism he represents) so it's really cool to see him reappear. But I'm honestly more impressed though with this experience, being able to induce a waking sensory visualization with just music (albeit music associated strongly with a separate physical location).

      As lucid dreamers I'm pretty sure this is everyone's dream (pardon the pun) since having to actually fall asleep for hours and perform techniques and set intentions for a ten-second to three-minute lucid dream is rewarding, but the payoff can sometimes be frustrating. The experience you describe definitely appeals to the instant gratification centers of my brain, although I'm sure there were more factors involved and the experience wasn't 1:1 with a lucid.

      I'm curious, what was your wakefulness/mental state before the visualization?
      My mental state prior to that was that I was fully awake, and my only intent to begin with had been to listen to music through the headphones quite loud. The music feels like it takes much longer to pass this way, since I'm only paying attention to it and nothing else.

      And yes, I think the fact that I do associate the music to a physically representable space is important too. But more importantly, that this can happen at all for me probably has mostly to do with my (sensory) hypersensitivity - I'm not suggesting you can't do it, I'm suggesting that I have other negative factors countered by that one; because most people can fall asleep much more easily than me, something like this may even just be a good way to get into a WILD anyway. Another thing to consider is that it's much easier for me to get into a relaxed state at the very end of the night while I'm still sitting at the computer rather than lying in bed, the only problem with the computer room being the other stimuli like noise or light in the room, vs being in the bedroom where it will (in principle) be silent; this is probably where the headphones were probably good, since these are pretty good at excluding externalnoise. But in bed I have different problems, like with saliva, twitches, inability to let go of muscles etc...

      The loud music also has another advantage; it's difficult for me to think about words as much because the sound input into my head is so high (I can't hear myself thinking over the music is a common expression that could apply here). This leaves more room for visualisation I suppose. I personally struggle to not think of words all the time. If I'm "thinking" at all, there are almost always words, which I sometimes find quite annoying.

      And you're right, it's not at all 1:1 with a lucid experience. Recalling an old lucid experience or this experience has similarities, but during the actual moment, there is a lot less vividness to this visualisation method (since I'm still actually awake and completely aware of my real body).

      But I've tried doing this in the past with much less success, too. I think one of the important factors vs previous times was that the soundtrack is about 1h long, (which interestingly is how long I usually take to fall asleep) and the visualisations only started to really form in the last third/quarter of the soundtrack. i.e. the last 15-20 mins of a 60min long session, if you will. In the past I didn't try to just listen for an hour, nor did I have good headphones. Basically what starts to happen is a gradual state of focus (or trance?); I get into a similar state when drawing for long periods of time, and I think many people probably do, but obviously in that situation you're trying to draw and not relax (though I suppose it may work for someone, but not me).

      Also, you might find this interesting too; I've tried doing similar sorts of visualisations in a sensory deprivation tank (salt water flotation tank), which did include music (of my choice) playing. I think the reason that didn't work very well was because I would get anxious for time and because it was during the morning, usually.

      So to summarise, I would say the main factors were:
      • Long soundtrack
      • The association of a three dimensional space to the music
      • Good external sound exclusion headphones (can't think of a better way to describe the effect)
      • Night/before bed time
      • Loud sensory input
      • Ability to remain still and/or relax
      • Low expectation

      I don't think I missed anything but let me know either way. I hope my answer was helpful/insightful.

      Edit: Oh, and I can't fall asleep at a chair, as much as I'd like to, primarily because of my back pain, but also the concern that I might slump the wrong way (i.e. hit my head on the desk).
    5. ZAD's Avatar
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      This is really awesome! I loved the previous dream about your lizard (and the strong symbolism he represents) so it's really cool to see him reappear. But I'm honestly more impressed though with this experience, being able to induce a waking sensory visualization with just music (albeit music associated strongly with a separate physical location).

      As lucid dreamers I'm pretty sure this is everyone's dream (pardon the pun) since having to actually fall asleep for hours and perform techniques and set intentions for a ten-second to three-minute lucid dream is rewarding, but the payoff can sometimes be frustrating. The experience you describe definitely appeals to the instant gratification centers of my brain, although I'm sure there were more factors involved and the experience wasn't 1:1 with a lucid.

      I'm curious, what was your wakefulness/mental state before the visualization?
    6. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Now that's what I call service!
      I'd actually like to pay and get my pizza. Maybe I can send her your way next time.
    7. RelicWraith's Avatar
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      Now that's what I call service!
      Updated 10-16-2018 at 12:37 AM by FireFlyMan
    8. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      However in mine I'm always fully "in the game" and have never been "out of it" temporarily to talk to someone out of scene and returned to it -- that's a pretty cool experience. Anyway good read
      Generally speaking it's the same for me. Dreams like this where there is a blur or transition between being "in" and "out" are not common for me, as mentioned briefly on the notes.
    9. ZAD's Avatar
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      I always love the juxtaposition of game elements with a fully conscious experience (menu overlays, obviously CG graphics, sometimes lower generation like PSX era) when it comes up in my dreams. However in mine I'm always fully "in the game" and have never been "out of it" temporarily to talk to someone out of scene and returned to it -- that's a pretty cool experience. Anyway good read
    10. ZAD's Avatar
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      I feel the same way-that primal closeness to certain DCs, as well as losing parts of your lifelong conscious experience when you lose the links. As my recall and practice has improved I've been randomly getting a lot of snippets of older dreams but also older WL memories. I think I might start journalling these as well, might help me piece some things together.
    11. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      As I was reading the dream, I was thinking, wow that seems like a pretty cool experience. But then when I read the notes it brought a whole other level of meaning. I should start doing this kind of dream interpretation too
      I'm glad it served some purpose for someone else.

      A lot of those notes are for myself, because they're the kind of thoughts that if I don't register I will inevitably lose track of. I am still likely to forget even having written them down, but at least I have a record I can look back on.

      There is a large part of my childhood experience in general that has "disappeared" from my life and so small links like this are quite important to me. For some reason after the dream was over I felt like I missed that black lizard, like I'm sad about it somehow.

      In general exploring the deepest links to my subconscious (generally represented by these darkest parts of my dreams) feels like a primal experience that I don't get from anything else in life, this dream in particular being one of the strongest I've had in quite a long time.
    12. ZAD's Avatar
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      As I was reading the dream, I was thinking, wow that seems like a pretty cool experience. But then when I read the notes it brought a whole other level of meaning. I should start doing this kind of dream interpretation too
    13. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Bonus points for being mean to DCs (Dream Cats). Okay bad joke over
      I wouldn't be mean if the cat wasn't mean either in the first place.
    14. ZAD's Avatar
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      Bonus points for being mean to DCs (Dream Cats). Okay bad joke over
    15. ZAD's Avatar
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      This is great! The next time I'm losing a dream I think I'll try to produce a chocolate bar too
    16. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      While being attacked with my own tools too...
    17. RelicWraith's Avatar
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      Fighting a witch in a mountainous area over a pizza? Only in Dreamland...
      Updated 08-05-2018 at 02:37 AM by FireFlyMan
    18. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      In general giants are very rare as a theme in my dreams these days, only having been really common in my childhood. Though it's a theme I personally like a lot, as noted by my "envy" of the transformation in this dream.

      I can't say I would call them monstrosities.

      That said, one of the so many reasons as to why I picked this username for the forum, is because for me there is some comfort in the darkest of things. In the deepest part of what are basic feelings, there is something about the "Monstrous" and the Surreal that feels "warm", even if it has been ignored and shunned by most others. It feels like a neglected child of creation, to me.

      Don't mind me, I'm just rambling on.
    19. RelicWraith's Avatar
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      Sword fights, underground bases, and giant monstrosities. Now that's what I call a dream! Heck, even just one of those scenes would've been exciting enough on their own.
    20. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      I clicked on the link again and it said this time that maybe I didn't have permission, and I was noticing now it's a "closed" group, so I don't think I'm going to be able to see it... But I think I am starting to form an idea, based on your other comments and posts from you I've seen.

      Quote Originally Posted by EbbTide000
      I am not very smart
      Thats why I need to break-up paragraghs
      So I can separate the ideas
      And obsorb them better.

      It irritates some people
      But
      It is for my benifit not theirs
      If you need to break up paragraphs it's not because you aren't smart. You are smart, you figured out that it's very helpful for yourself to do it this way.

      If it is confusing for the rest of us, it is only because we cannot initially understand the logic behind it.

      I completely understand why, anyway, so thank you for that explanation.
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