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    1. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Wow, today I learned the Charmin bears don't exist anymore over in Europe. Maybe the Koala has a better subconscious draw for business done..."down under" (forgive me)
      I did remember those bear mascots from when I was young but I didn't know what the brand name was (may have been localised to something else, some big brands were sometimes) but it's interesting that you mentioned it because I just didn't remember their existence at all until you'd mentioned it now. But I honestly don't care enough about the mascots on things as much as a product's quality though.

      Interesting set of dreams. I'm envious that you always seem to have a lot of creatures and beasts featured in your dreams. Very cool stuff
      Maybe you weren't looking for a solution or answer, but I hope I can be of some help.

      Firstly, I don't know if I can give you an adequate answer as to why I have dreams featuring creatures and so on so often but my guess is that a large part of it is that I have never been satisfied with the lack of choice in terms of personal appearance when regarding our general form, silhouette, colouring/patterns, etc... So I've always found alternative humanoid forms to be quite appealing, especially in the sense of wanting to have such forms, and much of my drawn artwork also relates to these themes. Apart from that, I do spend a fair bit of time dwelling on and reading about symbols, many of which are imagery of animals or mythical creatures.

      If you wanted to dream more about creatures and beasts I would certainly encourage you to fill your head with the respective visual imagery, either from illustrated stories or films or just from trying to draw them yourself. I don't think a person has to be a good artist or draughtsman to be able to use drawing as an effective technique to delve into this sort of thing and get appropriate results.

      That said, I have never been able to incubate dreams properly and dream lucidity is something I haven't yet really gotten more regular than once or twice a year at best, so for all I know, my advice may not necessarily be good advice, but based on my general knowledge of the topics, I think that if you'd like to see these themes more frequently yourself, it would certainly be worth spending a bit of time exploring some ways of bringing that about, actively.
    2. ZAD's Avatar
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      Wow, today I learned the Charmin bears don't exist anymore over in Europe. Maybe the Koala has a better subconscious draw for business done..."down under" (forgive me)

      Interesting set of dreams. I'm envious that you always seem to have a lot of creatures and beasts featured in your dreams. Very cool stuff
    3. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Pretty much, as I pointed out in the notes.

      I suppose the "apocalyptic" nature of the dream environment has some association with that too, in my mind, so it makes some sense.
    4. JakeMcDake's Avatar
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      That's cool, I also dreamt about riding a two-wheeled vehicle this night. I find it interesting when dreams make us realize things IRL like when you saw the beetle on your hoodie. It makes me wonder if there is something more to dreaming than I can understand.
    5. RelicWraith's Avatar
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      ...There's two anthropomorphic mice and they are wearing motorcycle-gang type leather outfits.
      Did you just dream about Biker Men From Mars?
    6. <span class='glow_0000FF'>Man of Shred</span>'s Avatar
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      I had a dream last night of being in a mall and it had an underground part that was under construction. Interesting.
    7. Draeger's Avatar
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      Yes, though my recall of it now is a bit vague, it was mostly mountainous landscapes passing by on my right/left sides; I suppose the middle was a bit more like a flat area/channel of sorts but I think it was all a bit blurred by the motion, probably because of the sense of speed, though I do remember getting a clear look at some passing lakes and mountains at times.
      Wow. That sounds pretty cool.
    8. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Quote Originally Posted by Draeger
      Didn't expect to see Terraria here. Great game.

      The UFO part also sounds cool. Random question, since I'm curious; were you able to see the environment there? How did it look?
      Yes, though my recall of it now is a bit vague, it was mostly mountainous landscapes passing by on my right/left sides; I suppose the middle was a bit more like a flat area/channel of sorts but I think it was all a bit blurred by the motion, probably because of the sense of speed, though I do remember getting a clear look at some passing lakes and mountains at times.
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      Didn't expect to see Terraria here. Great game.

      The UFO part also sounds cool. Random question, since I'm curious; were you able to see the environment there? How did it look?
    10. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Thank you Lang, appreciate it!

      Lots of things for me to think about and consider for the future based on this dream.
    11. <span class='glow_FF4500'>HumbleDreamer</span>'s Avatar
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      Congrats!
    12. KarlaB18's Avatar
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      This brings me back to a dream I had ages ago. I had Skype open, hoping to talk to an American voice actor, but he was twisted in this dream and he started playing this music that would put me into a permanent sleep to have nightmares. No matter what I did, I couldn't stop the music, even by closing Skype. I even heard the music when I retreated into my backyard.
    13. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Love the interaction between you and the kid!
      I think because when I was a kid, adults were often nice to me (when they had no special reason to be), I feel like I should be the same way to kids I interact with. I guess in this particular case it wasn't anything too special though.

      Looking back I can see that some adults did things for me that meant they were going out of their way to do it. As a kid I didn't realise that they were, so perhaps I didn't really appreciate it in the same way; I also appreciate it more now because as adults ourselves we're unlikely to receive that kind of special treatment by other adults.

      Edit: And as you can see I am still doing the competition scoring, I've just not been having much luck and been very tired; I'll update my score on the main thread at some point soon.
    14. KarlaB18's Avatar
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      Love the interaction between you and the kid!
    15. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      This is really awesome! I loved the previous dream about your lizard (and the strong symbolism he represents) so it's really cool to see him reappear. But I'm honestly more impressed though with this experience, being able to induce a waking sensory visualization with just music (albeit music associated strongly with a separate physical location).

      As lucid dreamers I'm pretty sure this is everyone's dream (pardon the pun) since having to actually fall asleep for hours and perform techniques and set intentions for a ten-second to three-minute lucid dream is rewarding, but the payoff can sometimes be frustrating. The experience you describe definitely appeals to the instant gratification centers of my brain, although I'm sure there were more factors involved and the experience wasn't 1:1 with a lucid.

      I'm curious, what was your wakefulness/mental state before the visualization?
      My mental state prior to that was that I was fully awake, and my only intent to begin with had been to listen to music through the headphones quite loud. The music feels like it takes much longer to pass this way, since I'm only paying attention to it and nothing else.

      And yes, I think the fact that I do associate the music to a physically representable space is important too. But more importantly, that this can happen at all for me probably has mostly to do with my (sensory) hypersensitivity - I'm not suggesting you can't do it, I'm suggesting that I have other negative factors countered by that one; because most people can fall asleep much more easily than me, something like this may even just be a good way to get into a WILD anyway. Another thing to consider is that it's much easier for me to get into a relaxed state at the very end of the night while I'm still sitting at the computer rather than lying in bed, the only problem with the computer room being the other stimuli like noise or light in the room, vs being in the bedroom where it will (in principle) be silent; this is probably where the headphones were probably good, since these are pretty good at excluding externalnoise. But in bed I have different problems, like with saliva, twitches, inability to let go of muscles etc...

      The loud music also has another advantage; it's difficult for me to think about words as much because the sound input into my head is so high (I can't hear myself thinking over the music is a common expression that could apply here). This leaves more room for visualisation I suppose. I personally struggle to not think of words all the time. If I'm "thinking" at all, there are almost always words, which I sometimes find quite annoying.

      And you're right, it's not at all 1:1 with a lucid experience. Recalling an old lucid experience or this experience has similarities, but during the actual moment, there is a lot less vividness to this visualisation method (since I'm still actually awake and completely aware of my real body).

      But I've tried doing this in the past with much less success, too. I think one of the important factors vs previous times was that the soundtrack is about 1h long, (which interestingly is how long I usually take to fall asleep) and the visualisations only started to really form in the last third/quarter of the soundtrack. i.e. the last 15-20 mins of a 60min long session, if you will. In the past I didn't try to just listen for an hour, nor did I have good headphones. Basically what starts to happen is a gradual state of focus (or trance?); I get into a similar state when drawing for long periods of time, and I think many people probably do, but obviously in that situation you're trying to draw and not relax (though I suppose it may work for someone, but not me).

      Also, you might find this interesting too; I've tried doing similar sorts of visualisations in a sensory deprivation tank (salt water flotation tank), which did include music (of my choice) playing. I think the reason that didn't work very well was because I would get anxious for time and because it was during the morning, usually.

      So to summarise, I would say the main factors were:
      • Long soundtrack
      • The association of a three dimensional space to the music
      • Good external sound exclusion headphones (can't think of a better way to describe the effect)
      • Night/before bed time
      • Loud sensory input
      • Ability to remain still and/or relax
      • Low expectation

      I don't think I missed anything but let me know either way. I hope my answer was helpful/insightful.

      Edit: Oh, and I can't fall asleep at a chair, as much as I'd like to, primarily because of my back pain, but also the concern that I might slump the wrong way (i.e. hit my head on the desk).
    16. ZAD's Avatar
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      This is really awesome! I loved the previous dream about your lizard (and the strong symbolism he represents) so it's really cool to see him reappear. But I'm honestly more impressed though with this experience, being able to induce a waking sensory visualization with just music (albeit music associated strongly with a separate physical location).

      As lucid dreamers I'm pretty sure this is everyone's dream (pardon the pun) since having to actually fall asleep for hours and perform techniques and set intentions for a ten-second to three-minute lucid dream is rewarding, but the payoff can sometimes be frustrating. The experience you describe definitely appeals to the instant gratification centers of my brain, although I'm sure there were more factors involved and the experience wasn't 1:1 with a lucid.

      I'm curious, what was your wakefulness/mental state before the visualization?
    17. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Now that's what I call service!
      I'd actually like to pay and get my pizza. Maybe I can send her your way next time.
    18. RelicWraith's Avatar
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      Now that's what I call service!
      Updated 10-16-2018 at 12:37 AM by FireFlyMan
    19. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      However in mine I'm always fully "in the game" and have never been "out of it" temporarily to talk to someone out of scene and returned to it -- that's a pretty cool experience. Anyway good read
      Generally speaking it's the same for me. Dreams like this where there is a blur or transition between being "in" and "out" are not common for me, as mentioned briefly on the notes.
    20. ZAD's Avatar
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      I always love the juxtaposition of game elements with a fully conscious experience (menu overlays, obviously CG graphics, sometimes lower generation like PSX era) when it comes up in my dreams. However in mine I'm always fully "in the game" and have never been "out of it" temporarily to talk to someone out of scene and returned to it -- that's a pretty cool experience. Anyway good read
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