• Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views




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    1. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Pretty much, as I pointed out in the notes.

      I suppose the "apocalyptic" nature of the dream environment has some association with that too, in my mind, so it makes some sense.
    2. JakeMcDake's Avatar
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      That's cool, I also dreamt about riding a two-wheeled vehicle this night. I find it interesting when dreams make us realize things IRL like when you saw the beetle on your hoodie. It makes me wonder if there is something more to dreaming than I can understand.
    3. RelicWraith's Avatar
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      ...There's two anthropomorphic mice and they are wearing motorcycle-gang type leather outfits.
      Did you just dream about Biker Men From Mars?
    4. <span class='glow_0000FF'>Man of Shred</span>'s Avatar
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      I had a dream last night of being in a mall and it had an underground part that was under construction. Interesting.
    5. Draeger's Avatar
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      Yes, though my recall of it now is a bit vague, it was mostly mountainous landscapes passing by on my right/left sides; I suppose the middle was a bit more like a flat area/channel of sorts but I think it was all a bit blurred by the motion, probably because of the sense of speed, though I do remember getting a clear look at some passing lakes and mountains at times.
      Wow. That sounds pretty cool.
    6. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Quote Originally Posted by Draeger
      Didn't expect to see Terraria here. Great game.

      The UFO part also sounds cool. Random question, since I'm curious; were you able to see the environment there? How did it look?
      Yes, though my recall of it now is a bit vague, it was mostly mountainous landscapes passing by on my right/left sides; I suppose the middle was a bit more like a flat area/channel of sorts but I think it was all a bit blurred by the motion, probably because of the sense of speed, though I do remember getting a clear look at some passing lakes and mountains at times.
    7. Draeger's Avatar
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      Didn't expect to see Terraria here. Great game.

      The UFO part also sounds cool. Random question, since I'm curious; were you able to see the environment there? How did it look?
    8. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Thank you Lang, appreciate it!

      Lots of things for me to think about and consider for the future based on this dream.
    9. HumbleDreamer's Avatar
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      Congrats!
    10. KarlaB18's Avatar
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      This brings me back to a dream I had ages ago. I had Skype open, hoping to talk to an American voice actor, but he was twisted in this dream and he started playing this music that would put me into a permanent sleep to have nightmares. No matter what I did, I couldn't stop the music, even by closing Skype. I even heard the music when I retreated into my backyard.
    11. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Love the interaction between you and the kid!
      I think because when I was a kid, adults were often nice to me (when they had no special reason to be), I feel like I should be the same way to kids I interact with. I guess in this particular case it wasn't anything too special though.

      Looking back I can see that some adults did things for me that meant they were going out of their way to do it. As a kid I didn't realise that they were, so perhaps I didn't really appreciate it in the same way; I also appreciate it more now because as adults ourselves we're unlikely to receive that kind of special treatment by other adults.

      Edit: And as you can see I am still doing the competition scoring, I've just not been having much luck and been very tired; I'll update my score on the main thread at some point soon.
    12. KarlaB18's Avatar
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      Love the interaction between you and the kid!
    13. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      This is really awesome! I loved the previous dream about your lizard (and the strong symbolism he represents) so it's really cool to see him reappear. But I'm honestly more impressed though with this experience, being able to induce a waking sensory visualization with just music (albeit music associated strongly with a separate physical location).

      As lucid dreamers I'm pretty sure this is everyone's dream (pardon the pun) since having to actually fall asleep for hours and perform techniques and set intentions for a ten-second to three-minute lucid dream is rewarding, but the payoff can sometimes be frustrating. The experience you describe definitely appeals to the instant gratification centers of my brain, although I'm sure there were more factors involved and the experience wasn't 1:1 with a lucid.

      I'm curious, what was your wakefulness/mental state before the visualization?
      My mental state prior to that was that I was fully awake, and my only intent to begin with had been to listen to music through the headphones quite loud. The music feels like it takes much longer to pass this way, since I'm only paying attention to it and nothing else.

      And yes, I think the fact that I do associate the music to a physically representable space is important too. But more importantly, that this can happen at all for me probably has mostly to do with my (sensory) hypersensitivity - I'm not suggesting you can't do it, I'm suggesting that I have other negative factors countered by that one; because most people can fall asleep much more easily than me, something like this may even just be a good way to get into a WILD anyway. Another thing to consider is that it's much easier for me to get into a relaxed state at the very end of the night while I'm still sitting at the computer rather than lying in bed, the only problem with the computer room being the other stimuli like noise or light in the room, vs being in the bedroom where it will (in principle) be silent; this is probably where the headphones were probably good, since these are pretty good at excluding externalnoise. But in bed I have different problems, like with saliva, twitches, inability to let go of muscles etc...

      The loud music also has another advantage; it's difficult for me to think about words as much because the sound input into my head is so high (I can't hear myself thinking over the music is a common expression that could apply here). This leaves more room for visualisation I suppose. I personally struggle to not think of words all the time. If I'm "thinking" at all, there are almost always words, which I sometimes find quite annoying.

      And you're right, it's not at all 1:1 with a lucid experience. Recalling an old lucid experience or this experience has similarities, but during the actual moment, there is a lot less vividness to this visualisation method (since I'm still actually awake and completely aware of my real body).

      But I've tried doing this in the past with much less success, too. I think one of the important factors vs previous times was that the soundtrack is about 1h long, (which interestingly is how long I usually take to fall asleep) and the visualisations only started to really form in the last third/quarter of the soundtrack. i.e. the last 15-20 mins of a 60min long session, if you will. In the past I didn't try to just listen for an hour, nor did I have good headphones. Basically what starts to happen is a gradual state of focus (or trance?); I get into a similar state when drawing for long periods of time, and I think many people probably do, but obviously in that situation you're trying to draw and not relax (though I suppose it may work for someone, but not me).

      Also, you might find this interesting too; I've tried doing similar sorts of visualisations in a sensory deprivation tank (salt water flotation tank), which did include music (of my choice) playing. I think the reason that didn't work very well was because I would get anxious for time and because it was during the morning, usually.

      So to summarise, I would say the main factors were:
      • Long soundtrack
      • The association of a three dimensional space to the music
      • Good external sound exclusion headphones (can't think of a better way to describe the effect)
      • Night/before bed time
      • Loud sensory input
      • Ability to remain still and/or relax
      • Low expectation

      I don't think I missed anything but let me know either way. I hope my answer was helpful/insightful.

      Edit: Oh, and I can't fall asleep at a chair, as much as I'd like to, primarily because of my back pain, but also the concern that I might slump the wrong way (i.e. hit my head on the desk).
    14. ZAD's Avatar
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      This is really awesome! I loved the previous dream about your lizard (and the strong symbolism he represents) so it's really cool to see him reappear. But I'm honestly more impressed though with this experience, being able to induce a waking sensory visualization with just music (albeit music associated strongly with a separate physical location).

      As lucid dreamers I'm pretty sure this is everyone's dream (pardon the pun) since having to actually fall asleep for hours and perform techniques and set intentions for a ten-second to three-minute lucid dream is rewarding, but the payoff can sometimes be frustrating. The experience you describe definitely appeals to the instant gratification centers of my brain, although I'm sure there were more factors involved and the experience wasn't 1:1 with a lucid.

      I'm curious, what was your wakefulness/mental state before the visualization?
    15. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      Now that's what I call service!
      I'd actually like to pay and get my pizza. Maybe I can send her your way next time.
    16. RelicWraith's Avatar
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      Now that's what I call service!
      Updated 10-16-2018 at 12:37 AM by FireFlyMan
    17. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      However in mine I'm always fully "in the game" and have never been "out of it" temporarily to talk to someone out of scene and returned to it -- that's a pretty cool experience. Anyway good read
      Generally speaking it's the same for me. Dreams like this where there is a blur or transition between being "in" and "out" are not common for me, as mentioned briefly on the notes.
    18. ZAD's Avatar
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      I always love the juxtaposition of game elements with a fully conscious experience (menu overlays, obviously CG graphics, sometimes lower generation like PSX era) when it comes up in my dreams. However in mine I'm always fully "in the game" and have never been "out of it" temporarily to talk to someone out of scene and returned to it -- that's a pretty cool experience. Anyway good read
    19. ZAD's Avatar
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      I feel the same way-that primal closeness to certain DCs, as well as losing parts of your lifelong conscious experience when you lose the links. As my recall and practice has improved I've been randomly getting a lot of snippets of older dreams but also older WL memories. I think I might start journalling these as well, might help me piece some things together.
    20. DarkestDarkness's Avatar
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      As I was reading the dream, I was thinking, wow that seems like a pretty cool experience. But then when I read the notes it brought a whole other level of meaning. I should start doing this kind of dream interpretation too
      I'm glad it served some purpose for someone else.

      A lot of those notes are for myself, because they're the kind of thoughts that if I don't register I will inevitably lose track of. I am still likely to forget even having written them down, but at least I have a record I can look back on.

      There is a large part of my childhood experience in general that has "disappeared" from my life and so small links like this are quite important to me. For some reason after the dream was over I felt like I missed that black lizard, like I'm sad about it somehow.

      In general exploring the deepest links to my subconscious (generally represented by these darkest parts of my dreams) feels like a primal experience that I don't get from anything else in life, this dream in particular being one of the strongest I've had in quite a long time.
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