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    Vividness Is An Illusion

    by , 03-24-2012 at 12:31 AM (611 Views)
    I had a dream before and after this one, but I was too lazy to write them down. They're not important, anyway.... I spent like eight hours helping a friend do yard work immediately after getting up so I don't remember much of this dream other than what I wrote down, but what's really important to me is what happened at the end....

    Vividness Is An Illusion [DILD]

    So first, the part of the dream I just barely remember. It was another high school dream, and there was some plot going on about some girl who wanted to kill us all and expected me to play along with it. (I don't remember this in the slightest, it's just from the notes). There was lots of really trippy stuff going on though, like when I was in a hallway and couldn't figure out which way to go, I looked at a wall and saw this guy J's face attached to the wall smiling this creepy smile and tilted sideways in the correct direction, so I smiled back and walked that way. Also, I remember being in a class and seeing my cat walking around, and people wanted me to follow them so I told them to hold up while I put my cat away. I picked up my backpack and unzipped the center area to put him in, but when I looked inside there was another cat already in there, and he looked like he was starving. I said "Oh shit! I must have put this other cat in here already and forgot about him, my bad.", then just left them both there and walked off. Anyway, so the girl that was trying to kill us wanted me to do something, but I didn't fall for her trap this time. I became very mildly lucid and just flew up, phasing through the higher floors, until I was over the building. I was just trying to get away from the girl and didn't really have any goals in mind, so from high up I just watched some kids playing soccer in the distance until I woke up.

    This is where it got interesting for me. I'm no longer confused about the last time I woke up and was still dreaming but everything was SO real, including detail I hadn't actually seen before, and I even was pretty sure I was awake at first but then lost focus, in a way that false awakenings don't. That and this were hypnopompic hallucinations. So I woke up in bed, facing the wall. It was pretty dark still, but then suddenly I heard a guy talking extremely clearly and there was sounds of cheering on a TV. I didn't see either one, but I immediately got mental images, the voice was coming from a heavyset black man and the TV (which was not actually on) was showing some soccer game. Unlike the last time where I was asked by a hallucinated M if I was up and I responded "I think I'm awake....", but then forgot about it when I started listening to her, this time I knew exactly what was going on. I started mentally repeating to myself "It's a hallucination, it's a hallucination...." I got a very clear image of what was going on in the soccer game too, there were no players at all, just several soccer balls of different sizes. They were moving in strange trajectories one at a time until they hit the next one and caused it to roll, sort of like dominoes causing each other to fall over. The man was talking about the game, though I can't remember what he was saying now, it was all rather startling and I wasn't paying much attention, not to mention my short-term memory was still pretty terrible. Eventually though he started just saying complete gibberish words, and I knew the hallucination was falling apart. I took a leap of faith and quickly turned over to see if he was there, but the room was empty. All the sounds vanished, and I felt very dissociated for a second, and then I returned to full waking consciousness. There was no feeling of waking up because I was already awake, just sort of a transitional blip.

    Basically what I can say about this is... it made me realize how much we fool ourselves into thinking that regular lucid dreams are vivid. I'm sure they can be made extremely vivid like this, but they're still nowhere near as vivid as waking life. My most realistic dream, which I previously would have said was possibly even more vivid than reality, now just seems like a hallucination compared to this. Senses like hearing and sight can definitely be waaay up there in dreams, the amount of detail in specific objects can definitely match reality, but there's so much more that just isn't present in dreams. In waking life your brain constantly monitors your heart rate, breathing rate, the position of each of your limbs and how comfortable they are, what temperature you are in various parts of your body, whether you have any itches, if you're hungry, thirsty, bloated, sweaty, physically nervous.... All five of your senses are constantly at work at full vividness, your brain knows that it has to keep itself aware of EVERYTHING in your line of sight and peripherals, not just what you're focusing on, it has stay aware of even the slightest sounds or changes in taste or smell or feeling. Basically, in waking life, your brain knows it can't just let loose like it can in dreams. Together these make for soooo much detail missing in dreams unless you're specifically focused on it, it's ridiculous. The reason we can feel like dreams are so vivid is because we don't normally consciously think about this stuff, and in dreams it's hard to remember what it's like to be in the waking world anyway, but this vividness is an illusion. Even when you're on drugs and awake and hallucinating in reality, they have a dreamy feeling to them and you often lose track of some of these sensations. This was different. I was in reality, totally hallucinating, and totally lucid. This feeling of knowing you're in a dream while being in the waking world was mind-blowing, at least to me. This is something I won't soon be forgetting. I wonder how much work it could take, what level of awareness would be required, to recreate sensations this powerful in dreams....
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    Comments

    1. TheForgotten 's Avatar
      Nice thoughts on reality and what it means to lucid dream. I have noticed lucid dreaming leaves out a few senses from time to time... but I've also noticed it'll add senses.

      Sometimes I wish waking life was as real as dreams feel. There are some emotions which feel more vivid on the dream plane. For me at least .. not sure about others, never really discussed this topic much.
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    2. Alyzarin's Avatar
      Yeah, it's definitely a trade-off. Dreaming puts you in a much wider state of consciousness, it cuts out on the physical senses which makes it harder to duplicate the feelings of the waking world exactly, but in the same way it frees you from the limits those senses put on you.

      I'm absolutely more emotional in dreams. I believe I've read before that that is common. I think that's why I fall in love so much, too. I can be pretty lovey-dovey in waking life but I'm also usually pretty reserved with my emotions, but in dreams I tend to just go with it.
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    3. TheForgotten 's Avatar
      I was gonna mention emotions. That seems to be a pretty easy thing to get lost in. That's one of my favorite things though, being swept away in whatever wave hits.... anger, lust, love can be fun to play with when they get completely out of control XD Dreams are good sparring grounds for that.

      That must be nice to fall in love so much in dreams. What's that like? Do you get to see the same people again or is it different each time?
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    4. Alyzarin's Avatar
      Definitely, dreams are great for letting loose. I remember once I became lucid and I had a rush of energy, I was basically just happy but it was amplified out of control, I went flying around at supersonic speeds and phasing through walls in a school and was just screaming nonsense at DCs, and I was so enthusiastic about it.

      The only person I can remember seeing dreams more than once, aside from people I actually know in waking life, is the girl who I suspect may be my DG. How it is, depends on the dream I suppose. I'm lucky to have the feelings usually reciprocated, or just not really having time to act on them (so they're never outright rejected). It always feels great at the time. Sometimes we'll just meet each other and start having a lot of fun together and the dream won't go longer than that, but I remember times when it's ended up in us becoming intimate, though it usually ends after a really romantic kiss. The rush is often what wakes me up, kind of a double-edged sword. One time it was with a girl I actually had some feelings for in waking life, and there wasn't even anything leading up to it, she just came up to me out of nowhere and kissed me. That was fun.
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    5. TheForgotten 's Avatar
      That sounds like a nice experience. I've heard people talk about how you attract what you're looking to find in dreams. Like for people who are looking to pick a fight with someone, they find someone else who's looking to pick a fight... and the two of them get to experience their desires together. That's just a basic example.. I'm not quite sure how that would work in a more complex situations.

      Lucky you haven't been rejected! I have! Granted it wasn't for love, it was a friendship thing... actually, I've been rejected a few times and they've all been friendship oriented.

      Well if the only repeating people are people in waking life, maybe your potential DG is from waking life. That also brings into the question who is a DG? Could DGs just be friends who happen to know maybe a few things you don't in regards to the dream plane? I mean, it sounds like a reciprocal relationship because there's something to be gained for the DG too... stuff like that is generally a two way street.

      Might be valuable to ponder what you're offering her since you've seen her twice. I mean that in a very good way, btw. People and energy generally don't hang around others if it's a one way street.
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    6. Alyzarin's Avatar
      You've had friendships rejected in dreams!? You must meet some rude DCs. Mine are usually pretty friendly.

      Well, this may be stretching it a bit... but here's a potential mindfuck. The girl I mentioned at the end of my last post, the one I actually had feelings for in waking life who kissed me in my dream? The potential DG girl actually reminds me of her, I thought that the first time I saw her, but I'm only just now thinking about it again because of what you said, because mainly this time I had just focused on how it was the same person from the previous dream. She and I both connected because we had extremely similar personalities and even shared similar interests in exploring the mind, when we met we spent a long time talking about walking through forests while tripping. But here's the biggest part of the mindfuck... I don't remember what she looks like. The image I have is very vague, and all I know is that the DG girl reminds me of her. It could very well be her, at least in image. When I met her I was on ecstasy.... And yeah, I know, that means I was way more emotional than normal, but trust me, there was an actual connection. But I didn't get her contact info because I was high as a kite, which is also why I can't really remember exactly what she looks like, and I expected to be able to see her in that same place again but I was never able to, and now that place isn't even open anymore.

      The DG girl is also the only girl I've kissed in a lucid who went with it rather than backing away. I don't know.... It's worth thinking about, I suppose. But I wonder, if a DG could use that form as a way of getting my attention, too? When I think back to the two times I've seen her, it seems like that was her main goal. The first time she totally blindsided me with the super speed, and the second time I was non-lucid and she used a power that I really want. Like, enough to have dedicated a pretty sizable amount of free time to thinking about it.

      I honestly have no idea what I would be able to offer her back though.... I guess I'd have to think about it.
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