DawnEye11

You know, I often wonder how much I translate from LD or OBE to outside world. I know for certain, that I can speak , into real world (when I want that) while OBEing- I have confirmation of that acts.
But sometimes I don't want to do such things...

You know, I often wonder how much I translate from LD or OBE to outside world. I know for certain, that I can speak , into real world (when I want that) while OBEing- I have confirmation of that acts.
But sometimes I don't want to do such things...

> w < I wonder that too at times. However, it doesn't really happen to me.I only recall one instance where i was sleep talking and my mom told me about it.Yeah...Sleep talking while lucid would be soooo awkward. Its like picking up a signal with a radio and eavesdropping on the person. Id be slightly embarrassed if my family heard me but if i made a move on a dc, it would be really embarrassing. XD

I have a question that might be somewhat random but I thought of it cause you said OBE to outside world. Have you tried moving physical object while in OBE before?

Yes. I tried move object. I tried that a few times now. I wasn't successful. First, while doing OBE- I concentrated hard to move small thing, not its astral projection. It felt as if my energy poured into object... even something as light as lipstick was felt as very heavy object. And while I managed to move it in astral after longer time of effort, when I checked that morning, it was at the same place as day before. So no success.

I first tried this comunication while being out of body on dormitory, some 20-25 years ago, when roommate came back- I somehow knew that it was him(I was traveling different places, but I always have some connection to senses of my body)... Later I tried to describe astral world to my wife while I was traveling, even communicated her ideas to astral beings... think of two way medium It is somewhat disorienting and very demanding on concentration. One needs to be anchored into both worlds and in balance. Losing sense of astral world is easy.
I didn't manage the same while doing LD

Interesting. :3 Its probably a good thing that people cant move stuff when doing OBE though. It would be creepy to a lot of people who are awake if they saw something moving out of no where. Hmm...Did you hear his voice when he came back? Whenever someone is around when im lucid dreaming its when they make noise that I notice they are present.When you tried to communicate with your wife was she awake?Did it help her understand anything? I wonder why it wasnt the same when LDing...

That, or moving objects is impossible just like truly go out of body- one can't fully dismiss that option.
It wouldn't be creepy... not for me. for others- yes. they would think either they are loosing memory, or someone was there without their permission.

Communication- I felt someone came into dorm room, and I felt it was roommate. As I said, I'm aware of my body, and its surrounding while travelling outside of it. So two way communication is possible. Only problems I experience are:
1. concentration- to stay fully in the astral while making the physical body respond.
2. deeply relaxed body is very unresponsive and I have problems to articulate well.
3. I seem to be unable to breathe deeply, to change rhythm radically, so I can use only small amount of air I have in lungs and I can only speak as I exhale. Therefore response is relatively slow and shallow. But clear enough for listener to understand.
My wife was fully aware, she wasn't sleeping, but she was reading a book to children close by (I wasn't travelling during nighttime at the time). She took that as a dream, she has no experience with OBE nor she wish to have one. She also doesn't have any interest into LDing...

When I'm doing LD, I don't have that connection with body- it is sleeping. But maybe I didn't try enough?

That, or moving objects is impossible just like truly go out of body- one can't fully dismiss that option.
It wouldn't be creepy... not for me.**for others- yes. they would think either they are loosing memory, or someone was there without their permission.

Yeah, I was thinking that too. You dont seem like the person to be creeped out by that stuff anyways. Especially since you enjoy having OBE.

Communication- I felt someone came into dorm room, and I felt it was roommate. As I said, I'm aware of my body, and its surrounding while travelling outside of it. So two way communication is possible. Only problems I experience are:
1. concentration- to stay fully in the astral while making the physical body respond.
2. deeply relaxed body is very unresponsive and I have problems to articulate well.*
3. I seem to be unable to breathe deeply, to change rhythm radically, so I can use only small amount of air I have in lungs and I can only speak as I exhale. Therefore response is relatively slow and shallow. But clear enough for listener to understand.*
My wife was fully aware, she wasn't sleeping, but she was reading a book to children close by (I wasn't travelling during nighttime at the time). She took that as a dream, she has no experience with OBE nor she wish to have one. She also doesn't have any interest into LDing...
When I'm doing LD, I don't have that connection with body- it is sleeping. But maybe I didn't try enough?

When I'm doing LD, I don't have that connection with body- it is sleeping. But maybe I didn't try enough?
Oh, so that's how it works. Thx for listing it in a clearer way for me to understand. hrmm...Maybe.

Try to do your own experiments... this is only result of mine... maybe you are more talented/trained with LD. Use smartphone application... if there is something like dicta-phone app(I didn't try to find such thing)

My focus was mainly OBE(there are people who see OBE as variant or the way you exit into LD, but I don't)

Try to do your own experiments... this is only result of mine... maybe you are more talented/trained with LD. Use smartphone application... if there is something like dicta-phone app(I didn't try to find such thing)

My focus was mainly OBE(there are people who see OBE as variant or the way you exit into LD, but I don't)

Alright.: 3 I wouldn't say im more talented/trained but I suppose I could continue experimenting.