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    Dream hopping

    by , 07-14-2013 at 11:38 PM (803 Views)
    Pre bed: 100mg B6

    Dream quality and recall: Dreams were vivid but recall was challenging due to the fact that I continued sleeping after the lds. It took me a while to journal the lds and by the time I did, the non-ld memories almost vanished. Still, taking into account recent busyness, heat and other distractions, I am very happy with the results.

    Early dream fragment: It is the 5th of July and I am watching lots of fantastic long-lasting fireworks in the sky

    Early dream fragment: I am doing dumbbell exercises, it feels really good

    WBTB: Was very sleepy but made an effort to review the tasks. Said a mantra a few times, then fell deeply asleep.

    Dream: I enter grandpa's room and discover that grandma has forgotten some kind of a diary she kept hidden behind the door. I wait until she is not around and peek in the diary to find out it is actually my diary. So, I had forgotten it in 2007 and she hid it and has been reading little bits ever since. This is terrible because this diary fully describes my views, plans, etc. I want to take it back home, but my mom comes snooping around, so I have to be careful not to attract her attention.

    Fragment: I am with a classmate going to a class meeting. We stop in front of a building.

    LD1: For some reason am in someone's store that resembles an outlet of a totally unknown brand. I spend some time checking out clothes, mostly interested in pink and purple ones. There is a cardigan I like but it turns into a net? Classmates are also there, I am trying to get their attention. A woman working in the store comes to bring us what looks like orange juice, but she claims it is beer. My whole class is gathered around something like a long table and we are having a drink. I first wait for everyone to get served but soon notice that some are already drinking. I feel drunk. Other classmates tell the story of a girl with the same name as mine, about how she lived in some city where women are emancipated. I think this refers to me, but later find out that they are talking about another classmate because they say her family name.

    I turn to one of my best friends and say to her that we better leave the place and go outside. I am not sure what we did there but I am overly bold and become lucid. I turn back to all the guys from my class that have been passively following me and say some things to them I don't any longer remember. I recall how long this dream has been going and have very little time left, so decide to hurry up. The scenery around me is absolutely beautiful. We just left a lone building and there is only grass around, hills, trees. It seems like fall is just beginning, the colors are very pleasant to look at.

    My brain is more asleep than usual and the only task that comes to mind after looking at the scenery is flying to angel falls.
    (which is so totally CL!)

    I lift off and do some maneuvering that I can't exactly recall. I keep on flying over some fantastic hills, but I just feel this is going to end very bad because I have no idea where I am going and I am in the air for too long. (Also my expectation was set very deeply on a subcon level).

    I decide to land and end up facing what looks like a small waterfall. There is water pouring over some rocks just in front of me. While I know this isn't what I am looking for (too small), I go as close as possible to this water falling down the rocks, trying to feel the water on me as the dream fades away and I end up in the void.


    I spend some time in the void, just waiting there. (I couldn't remember any advice as what else to do, but that was fine)

    LD2:It's a bit hard to remember what the first image was that I was looking at here but I am lucid from the start. It is an open area, with lots of vegetation again. I try three tasks, not fully sure about the sequence of but mostly likely in this order.

    I look around and see some hills and trees in the distance. Once again it is all very beautiful and this makes me happy. It also reminds me that I was headed towards Angel falls. The vegetation makes it just perfect for the task and I stare there and day dream for a very short while. I feel like I want to rush forward and just get there. However, I just passed a few DCs and I remember I had another task I wanted to do "ask a DC".

    I turn to this overweight mid-age woman and she makes some kind of word-like sound like "nah", I ask her where my phone is and she says "outside". This cannot be possible, as I know the phone must be somewhere at home, so I object and ask for further explanation. She says something else that I can't exactly remember but it means that this the answer. I am not satisfied with the answer she gave me, so I look around and there is another DC woman more or less the same type, but different face. I go to her and she makes exactly the same word-like sound like the other one, I find this very strange. I proceed to ask her about my phone and she just answers "but didn't you already ask". Well, yeah, but I want to ask again, and it is none of her business, just tell me where the phone is. I am annoyed with her and start some senseless explaining. After a while, I give it up and move on.

    Still in the same place I decide to do the fireworks task and look around for some fireworks to swallow. The problem is that I am not in a room where my mind easily makes all kinds of objects but in the greenery and there's only grass and some small bushes there. I somehow remember I can do a summon from my pocket. I have the memory that my pockets are currently empty but still decide to search in my pocket. It is indeed empty but I manage to scrub something there, I hold my fist tight for a second and then I expect to see a mini-firework in there. Unfortunately, it is just a purple brown pill. I become confused thinking I really had this pill in my real pocket and that's causing the problem. Anyways, I concentrate on the pill, trying to make it look at least a bit like a firework but in vain. Somewhere after this intense concentration the dream fades.


    I don't remember anything from the void here anymore.

    LD3: I appear in some kind of public building restroom, still lucid, where I am looking myself in the mirror. I feel some pain in my tooth and have a closer look. Yeah, something is not quite right there and that worries me that I might actually have done something to my real tooth. I vaguely remember Penny talking about tooth dreams, and try to ignore the issue. Yet, I keep on checking myself out in the mirror until I zoom in to see and feel my entire row of teeth in a painfully twisted position. Dreams can really get crazy, I think to myself, remembering how Checker's fingers were twisted or something like that.

    Finally, I brake my teeth fixation and walk around, trying to exit the restroom. Slightly worried that the dream might destabilize, although there wasn't an indication?, I decide to rub my hands and see if anything feels different. I remark that everything feels absolutely normal, and rubbing my hands on this occasion does not feel different from waking life. I also remember to jump a bit supposedly to stabilize, but it's more like some mischievous act of fun. I jump a few times, although cautiously as I don't want to destabilize the dream by losing the sense of my feet while mid air.

    Trying to leave the restroom, I walk around in this building, but get lost in a maze of corridors. I go back, then try again and end up in some creepy looking corridor, lit by a single old bulb, shining bright. The whole place looks like from some kind a cheap movie scene and I don't like it at all. I don't want to be there. I get paranoid, staring at the corridor which turns to the left and soon some kind of a non-human thing is summoned by me.

    Before he even has the chance to move closer I know that the only way out of this place is to phase through the wall in front of me and I do so.

    I immediately end up in the void, but am still a bit paranoid that this thing might follow me into the next dream. I try to reason this whole situation, that he doesn't exist anymore, and feeling with certainty that once in the void, it is over. From then on, I remember to concentrate on Angel falls and on appearing on top of it. I do my best to create sensations that I am there.


    I don't remember what happened, I just found myself in the next scene.

    LD4: My memory gets even worse as I fall deeper into sleep. I am on the street, facing some building. My concern at this point is recall. I realize that I have been having dream after dream with no opportunity to journal. I try to remember how many lds so far, four, try to recall some details as I feel they will be lost. Using either my fingernails or some other object, I write down the number of dreams with a key word next to each to help with my recall once I wake up. This whole task is extremely difficult and towards the end of the process I begin to hear non-lucid dream thoughts interfering in my head.

    Soon I lose lucidity as a Heroes of Might and Magic scene develops in the building in front of me. There are the two players' armies and obviously mine has been defeated because I didn't send reinforcements, while the other player did. The armies look quite 3D life-like with the largest beast looking quite scary.

    NLD: Someone informs bf about his dentist and that some kind of refund is due because he did the dental work in a hurry. Tom Wilkinson is the dentist.

    NLD: I am in a tram, there is a strange looking skinny old man in front of me. He is dressed like Gandhi, also has some kind of flat drawers on his chest, as some sort of a medallion. We talk for a short while and unfortunately I can't recall more detail anymore.

    Soon the dream ends and I am in my body semi-conscious and extremely sleepy. For some reason my physical body decides to change position, so my legs move. This is what wakes me up a bit more and I decide it is better to journal before I forget everything.

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    Comments

    1. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      Awesome!! That's so cool that you're looking for Angel Falls now too. And you even got the small waterfall effect going too! That is perfect.

      So this thing with the smaller waterfall has happened to both of us now, and I really like the way that you handled it. As you said, it's very much like the idea of using a miniature to turn it into the real place. I think that this is what I need to be doing. Getting closer and closer to these small versions that I consistently get and scale them up.

      Scale may be what's tripping me up, but scale is negotiable. I think you were making a great move. If the dream had held together I think you'd have gotten there!

      I notice that your prospective memory is really strong. Well, not just prospective memory, really. Memory for all kinds of stuff. Like for example details from other people's DJs, as well as stuff like TotM, TotY, etc.

      The bit at the end where you tried to scratch out numbered keywords for your dreams was really cool. Do you feel like that helped? Regardless of whether it worked, it makes for a cool scene.

      Congrats on the very successful night!
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    2. NyxCC's Avatar
      Thanks!

      So this thing with the smaller waterfall has happened to both of us now, and I really like the way that you handled it. As you said, it's very much like the idea of using a miniature to turn it into the real place. I think that this is what I need to be doing. Getting closer and closer to these small versions that I consistently get and scale them up.

      Scale may be what's tripping me up, but scale is negotiable. I think you were making a great move. If the dream had held together I think you'd have gotten there!
      I'm putting your quote from Water slide also here:

      The attempts themselves are great fun, even if they don't work out precisely as planned. You know, I can't think of a single dream that ever worked out exactly as planned. Or even very close, come to think of it. But a big part of the fun is that we just steer things as we can, but the overwhelming majority of what we experience in dreams are things we don't consciously create
      I totally love lds even if I just don't complete any task, just being there is awesome. Now, of course, I'd love to be able to do what I want most of the time. I have been having some thoughts about how to go about meeting our objectives and came up with a simple sentence as an answer that I have to possibly internalize so that it crosses over to the dreaming self.

      Basically, you have to change the viewpoint from "I don't know how to do that" to "I can do that". I have a very very long way to walk with regards to that but it seems that if you are confident enough, you will have a greater power over dream's elements as an expression of yourself. You have excellently demonstrated this concept is applicable in Coast carving.

      What had me thinking about this change of viewpoint is actually phasing. I usually didn't even do it as much that I recall in nlds out of real life habits naturally, and even though I knew it is possible in lds, I intially got (mentally hampered)? by the theory of it. I was thinking, how do you do it, I don't know how to do it, etc. And now it's like (at least at this point), I can't stop doing it! And it feels so simple - just do it!

      So, I am sure this terrain modification and general item modification will turn out to be something similar, maybe even easy, we just have to get the hang of it. We have been trying a million things, but are slowly getting good at a few. Man, so much stuff to learn in the dreamworld. What we are learning to do is taking knowledge from the subcon (regarding dream control), collaborating with the conscious rational mind and executing it in the subcon again.

      I notice that your prospective memory is really strong. Well, not just prospective memory, really. Memory for all kinds of stuff. Like for example details from other people's DJs, as well as stuff like TotM, TotY, etc.
      Thanks! For tasks I have been sticking pretty much to the same tasks from June with minor changes and the new TOTM, that way my subcon doesn't get too confused and I am bound to remember at least something. I think this transfers tasks from short term to medium term memory which may be easier to access during dreams? It looks like reading people's journals has left lots of impressions, because even if I can't think straight in dreams, I can sometimes remember what others did and take some related action/decision. So reading others' journals helps a lot, even though I later may feel bad that I might be copying someone else's ideas.

      The bit at the end where you tried to scratch out numbered keywords for your dreams was really cool. Do you feel like that helped? Regardless of whether it worked, it makes for a cool scene.
      I think it helped. I can't recall what key words I wrote but I can visually see I put four dream lines with a key word next to each. Recalling within the dream can be quite tricky too. Figuring out the entire process and making it fully workable can surely be a topic for an entire book.
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      Updated 07-15-2013 at 05:56 PM by NyxCC
    3. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      I totally love lds even if I just don't complete any task, just being there is awesome. Now, of course, I'd love to be able to do what I want most of the time. I have been having some thoughts about how to go about meeting our objectives and came up with a simple sentence as an answer that I have to possibly internalize so that it crosses over to the dreaming self. [

      Basically, you have to change the viewpoint from "I don't know how to do that" to "I can do that". I have a very very long way to walk with regards to that but it seems that if you are confident enough, you will have a greater power over dream's elements as an expression of yourself. You have excellently demonstrated this concept is applicable in Coast carving.

      What had me thinking about this change of viewpoint is actually phasing. I usually didn't even do it as much that I recall in nlds out of real life habits naturally, and even though I knew it is possible in lds, I intially got (mentally hampered)? by the theory of it. I was thinking, how do you do it, I don't know how to do it, etc. And now it's like (at least at this point), I can't stop doing it! And it feels so simple - just do it!
      Yes, that's exactly it!

      We know that anything we believe will happen in a dream. But how to generate that first spark of belief in an act of dream control? From what I've experienced so far, it's all about just really internalizing the fact that everything you see is under your control, and just brushing off or totally denying any problems that you think you're experiencing. Because you're really not!

      Your phasing is a great example. Nothing breeds success more than success itself. Now you know you can phase through anything you like. Whatever you want to phase through was never there at all. Not, unless, you choose to make it real or get in your way.

      I feel like all of this shows that practice and confidence pays off handsomely. And the big thing we're always keeping in mind is that any problems we might experience today are a) totally of our own creation and b) will be solved. It's literally just a matter of time and practice! Once you know what you're capable of, you can keep building and building on that.

      The whole thing is incredibly exciting!

      It looks like reading people's journals has left lots of impressions, because even if I can't think straight in dreams, I can sometimes remember what others did and take some related action/decision. So reading others' journals helps a lot, even though I later may feel bad that I might be copying someone else's ideas.
      Borrowing from dream journals is awesome. I'd have progressed way more slowly if I hadn't done this as often (and shamelessly) as I do.
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    4. NyxCC's Avatar
      We know that anything we believe will happen in a dream. But how to generate that first spark of belief in an act of dream control? From what I've experienced so far, it's all about just really internalizing the fact that everything you see is under your control, and just brushing off or totally denying any problems that you think you're experiencing. Because you're really not!

      Your phasing is a great example. Nothing breeds success more than success itself. Now you know you can phase through anything you like. Whatever you want to phase through was never there at all. Not, unless, you choose to make it real or get in your way.

      I feel like all of this shows that practice and confidence pays off handsomely. And the big thing we're always keeping in mind is that any problems we might experience today are a) totally of our own creation and b) will be solved. It's literally just a matter of time and practice! Once you know what you're capable of, you can keep building and building on that.
      With the risk of sounding overly enthusiastic I think I might save a few good comments of yours in a separate file and even print them (especially the one above) so that I can browse them pre-bed or whenever I schedule some dream prep time. Having this written by someone else will probably even have more impact on my subcon.

      I totally agree with what you said. Also, that enthusiasm is so contagious. I can't wait to dream!
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    5. Highlander's Avatar
      Congrats on the LD amount and remembering about the TOTM & Y whilst lucid.

      Seems like you were ok on the B6 this time. I think last time, or last week you had a bit of a creepy dream from what I can remember.
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    6. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      With the risk of sounding overly enthusiastic I think I might save a few good comments of yours in a separate file and even print them (especially the one above) so that I can browse them pre-bed or whenever I schedule some dream prep time. Having this written by someone else will probably even have more impact on my subcon.

      I totally agree with what you said. Also, that enthusiasm is so contagious. I can't wait to dream!
      What a nice thing to say! I'd be honored. And of course I welcome any opportunity to falsely claim some credit for your lucid successes.

      Yeah, my enthusiasm meter is kinda pegged right now. I want to turn this enthusiasm into some serious dream-sharing/TotY-ing!

      Already got me looking forward to seeing what's in your DJ tomorrow. No pressure.
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    7. NyxCC's Avatar
      @ Highlander

      Thanks! I did have a short moment where I lost self control there, but apart from that no nasty entities were after me. I have noticed that B6 makes me more emotional and after it I often have dreams with aggressive DCs, chasers or some night frights , which is why I have kept the dose to a minimum. I remember taking some 600-800mg when experimenting years ago and then three DCs beat me up, the dream was so vidid it hurt a lot!

      @ CL

      Already got me looking forward to seeing what's in your DJ tomorrow. No pressure
      I was also looking forward to posting an entry but unfortunately this heat makes it very challenging to ld. I did a lousy WBTB and blacked out into oblivion. It's interesting how the body shuts down to deep sleep mode when it is so warm. I feel like I have already completed the bonus task of jumping in a volcano and dipping in some lava.

      I have to get that motivation back, heat or no heat, I WILL set an alarm and WILL do some induction (including the cold water tech), WILL get some insomnia and WILL HAVE AN LD!
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    8. CanisLucidus's Avatar
      Wow, you are so hardcore that you even wish insomnia on yourself! The cold water tech might be perfect if you're struggling with the hot weather.
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    9. NyxCC's Avatar
      Haha! I just miss my lds. Some insomnia might help.
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    10. Highlander's Avatar
      Quote NyxCC:
      Thanks! I did have a short moment where I lost self control there, but apart from that no nasty entities were after me. I have noticed that B6 makes me more emotional and after it I often have dreams with aggressive DCs, chasers or some night frights , which is why I have kept the dose to a minimum. I remember taking some 600-800mg when experimenting years ago and then three DCs beat me up, the dream was so vidid it hurt a lot!
      That cannot be healthy on a regular basis! I presume that you didn't take that amount during one session and that it was a one-off?

      I think the food source for it is probably best. I'm a bit wary of Vitamin B6 in tablet form. The maximum I have ever taken in one session (inc. today - exc. food, etc.) is 20 mg.
      One time even at a low level I have had the bright flourescent-like green urine effect due to the body ridding itself of excess B6 presumably.

      I know a toxic side effect of B6 is reputed to cause sensory neuropathy, etc. There are mixed opinions on the actual toxic level of B6 (from tablet form) on the human body however.

      Good luck with the insomnia issues BTW.
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    11. NyxCC's Avatar
      I had read about toxicity even then but took large doses to see what the effects were. That was some 7-8 years ago. I wouldn't advise anyone to do this by the way.

      I usually stick to 100mg or 200mg but extremely rarely. As I said I found out it makes me more emotional and not in a good way usually, so I am reluctant to use too often for that reason alone. It combines well with other stuff for me like menthol, then the whole mood is a bit brighter.

      Thanks! Good luck with you experiments too!
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    12. Highlander's Avatar
      Thanks for the insight.
      I will bear that in mind if I take a higher dose. I'm glad you are ok and that you know the limits and limitations of B6.

      I think that over time (with your experience) you could probably pick and choose what supplement and what night to have your Ld or vivid dream anyhow.

      Normally if I've had a 'bad day' or headache, a late night, etc. then I usually abort a pre-set WBTB, although I generally wake up for a 'natural' one instead. I take it if I feel like it.

      (P.S: I hope my earlier post didn't come across as patronising regarding B6, dosage, etc. I was genuinely suprised/shocked and concerned; hence the questions.)
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      Updated 07-16-2013 at 09:47 PM by Highlander (added paragraph)
    13. NyxCC's Avatar
      I think that over time (with your experience) you could probably pick and choose what supplement and what night to have your Ld or vivid dream anyhow.

      Normally if I've had a 'bad day' or headache, a late night, etc. then I usually abort a pre-set WBTB, although I generally wake up for a 'natural' one instead. I take it if I feel like it.
      Yeah, I agree. I try to schedule nights and supps to maximize the chances for an ld. Of course, it is a lot of trial and error and still needs to be perfected, but at least I know for certain instances when I should not try for an ld. Having consistent lds on demand, now that would be something to look forward to.

      (P.S: I hope my earlier post didn't come across as patronising regarding B6, dosage, etc. I was genuinely suprised/shocked and concerned; hence the questions.)
      Oh, I think it is normal to say something like this. If I read it in someone else's journal I would probably say a few words of concern/caution too.

      Thanks and sweet dreams!
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