Marijuana Decriminilization Passed(MA)

[DeathCell]

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...x_questio.html Up to an ounce. This is so everyone knows your state could be next. Get involved with Marijuana policy changers. Talk about it with your friends, get the movement going into other states. Yes we can make a difference.

[Original Poster]

http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=67998

[Universal Mind]

That is incredible news! I didn't think I would be coming across any of that on this Obama presidency duh yeah day, but peeling back the war on drugs is about the best thing that can be done for the United States, and freedom is a virtue in the first place.

[Reality_is_a_Dream]

Does anyone else here live in Massachusetts? I am freaking happy. I think that they should make it legal, and make alchahol that is greater than 20% illeagal. Any other thoughts on the matter?

[Bearsy]

Mod, plz merge with original(better, imo) thread. Oh, and RiaD, I do agree that they should make it legal, but I disagree about the alcohol aspect... that should also stay legal, and in fact, the drinking age should be lowered. In Italy, France and other places where there is no(or not enforced) drinking age, the amount of teen drinking is exponentially lower than the US, as well as alcoholism is much lower. This is because alcohol isn't placed on a pedestal, it's something they have access to all their life so it's not nearly as "awesome" as teen in the US think it is. They don't feel the need to go overboard once they finally can drink.

[Serkat]

In Italy, France and other places where there is no(or not enforced) drinking age, the amount of teen drinking is exponentially lower than the US, as well as alcoholism is much lower. This is because alcohol isn't placed on a pedestal, it's something they have access to all their life so it's not nearly as "awesome" as teen in the US think it is. They don't feel the need to go overboard once they finally can drink. I happen to live in one such country and... no.

[DeathCell]

Does anyone else here live in Massachusetts? I am freaking happy. I think that they should make it legal, and make alchahol that is greater than 20% illeagal. Any other thoughts on the matter? I do. Mod, plz merge with original(better, imo) thread I didn't see the other topic didn't say anything about Marijuana in the topic headline.... I didn't know their was a contest for the better thread...

[Euthanatos]

Making any substance illegal causes crime. Hands down. Prohibition does NOT prevent use. It puts a MAJOR revenue bracket into the criminal element and DEMONIZES USERS WHO ARE JUST PEOPLE WITH NORMAL PROBLEMS. If you belive in prohibition IN ANY FORM....FUCK YOU. You support terroism, Terrorists, The illegal arms market trade, The persecution of enlightened, troubled, or medically dependant individuals (for both have reasons for use). That's right. The truth is prohibition ONLY supports the DRUG DEALER. You hate dealers? Decriminalize and legalize ALL DRUGS. A drug dealer arrested in a major bust is nothing more than a help wanted ad on the front page.

[Reality_is_a_Dream]

Making any substance illegal causes crime. Hands down. Prohibition does NOT prevent use. It puts a MAJOR revenue bracket into the criminal element and DEMONIZES USERS WHO ARE JUST PEOPLE WITH NORMAL PROBLEMS. If you belive in prohibition IN ANY FORM....FUCK YOU. You support terroism, Terrorists, The illegal arms market trade, The persecution of enlightened, troubled, or medically dependant individuals (for both have reasons for use). That's right. The truth is prohibition ONLY supports the DRUG DEALER. You hate dealers? Decriminalize and legalize ALL DRUGS. A drug dealer arrested in a major bust is nothing more than a help wanted ad on the front page. You haven't been here long, have you? Welcome to Dreamviews.

[Euthanatos]

You haven't been here long, have you? Welcome to Dreamviews. What do you mean? Do you indicate that Dexter preaches to the choir or that he sign his own witch hunt warrant. Would infer the former based on the lack of response. Either way, point is no less valid.

[Reality_is_a_Dream]

What do you mean? Do you indicate that Dexter preaches to the choir or that he sign his own witch hunt warrant. Would infer the former based on the lack of response. Either way, point is no less valid. Once again, Welcome to Dreamviews.

[ninja9578]

Does anyone else here live in Massachusetts? I am freaking happy. I think that they should make it legal, and make alchahol that is greater than 20% illeagal. Any other thoughts on the matter? You're joking right? I love tequila and vodka too much. If you don't like it then you gotta stop buying the bottom and middle shelves. Top shelf is where it's at Thoughts on marijuana: Eh. It's fairly harmless, less so than alcohol so I see no reason for it to be illegal. However, there are going to be stupid people who abuse it and have health problems, but that's no different than alcohol and if they like it that much then they're going to do it anyway. And I guess it's better to do it in Massachusetts where everyone has health care, now we just have to pray that Obama manages to expand that to all states. I disagree with UM that the war on drugs isn't good. I don't think that we should have Navy Seals in Columbia, but keeping drugs out of America is a good thing. Marijuana is harmless, heroine is just dangerous and should remain illegal forever. However, I do believe that doctors should be able to get access to whatever they need. Heroine is actually still used in the UK for certain things. The only reason it's getting phased out there is because drug companies are making better drugs. Cigarettes should also be banned. I'm lucky enough to live in one of the states that have banned smoking from bars, and everyone is much happier. I'm sure that MA doesn't allow smoking marijuana in bars, some of us just don't want smoke in our lungs. I say destroy the tobacco fields and plant livestock corn for ethanol. They live in the same climate and ethanol is in high demand right now.

[Universal Mind]

I disagree with UM What else is new?

[ninja9578]

I agreed that the less dangerous drugs should be legal. I just don't think that certain drugs have any place in society. And I'm sure that you'd agree that cigarettes (regular ones) are bad.

[Grod]

I used to think that way too. I had a big discussion with Elis D. about that. But what I finally realized is, it doesn't make any sense to ban certain dangerous substances and not others. The government shouldn't tell you what you can or can't do to your own body.

[Bearsy]

Glad I could help Why should you/I/that guy over there, not be allowed to chill in our basement with a syringe if we want? If you make that very poor life choice, it should up to you. There should be limitations and regulations, yes. But in my opinion anything that causes no harm to anyone but the user should not be illegal. Skydiving is ridiculously unsafe, but the jumper knows the risks, and makes that decision. You'd never even talk about criminalizing skydiving. If, as with alcoholics, your desire to get that next drink/hit/score interferes with your family, then the government should step in and put your children somewhere safe where they would be cared for. But other than that, there really shouldn't be any laws about use/abuse save public intoxication laws.

[ninja9578]

Hey! I like skydiving.

[Euthanatos]

Even PI & Social Services shouldn't intervene into usage. The addict can be an addict. It's rough on the family sure but he can get help all he wants. The numerous free social services avenues for recovery would be available and no one is to blame for the addicts situation but themselves. PI...throw em in the drunk tank. And only if they're so incapacitated they're obvious. Family...spouse's decision unless abusive or neglect is percieved (And handled as such) and then arrangements are made to see the person tracked through recovery...if indeed s/he does. In germany you can walk down the street drinking you're favorite beer or liquor straight from the bottle...not indicitive of PI. Behavior determines PI. Even if you're staggering just a bit....bother no one and you're fine. Less judgement...less shame...more recovery. Besides.....stop coddling people dumb enough to use so many drugs it kills them. Plain and simple, Darwinize.

[ninja9578]

Don't say free social services around here, UM will call you a socialist.

[Grod]

You seriously want to bring up UM in every thread possible... this thread isn't even about social services. It's about marijuana decriminalization. And judging from his previous stances on this issue, I'm pretty sure he'd be for it.

[ninja9578]

The post previous to mine mentioned social services. I think addicts need help and that social services should step in and get them help, especially if they have a family. Addicts can't help it, they got carried away and are physically unable to stop. AA is good an all, but lots of time someone has to step in for them to even go.

[spockman]

Edited for child friendliness. Posted by Euthanatos Making any substance illegal causes crime. Hands down. Prohibition does NOT prevent use. It puts a MAJOR revenue bracket into the criminal element and SPREADS RUMORS ABOUT USERS WHO ARE JUST PEOPLE WITH NORMAL PROBLEMS. A drug dealer arrested in a major bust is nothing more than a help wanted ad on the front page. If you belive in prohibition IN ANY FORM....FLIP YOU. You support meanies, bullies, The insulting of enlightened, troubled, or medically dependant individuals (for both have reasons for use). You know what? I do support arms dealers in some contexts. Yep, I do. But I don't see how terrorists fit into the equation... And the whole medical needs people. If it is in any form, one form is to allow those people to have it. How about if you disagree with ALL forms of prohibition you support house thefts, teen suicide, the running over of pedestrians with the right away, the murder of one's mtoehr, etc. The logic implied is the same as the logic you implies. Highly delusional drugs can make one kill people or cause car accidents. Extreme hallucinagens should be illegal for that reason. Meth causes people to become thieves and in many cases to be violent. Alchohal restrictions exists so violent drunks and drunk drivers have no excuse. For the sake of the majority and neccestial utilitarianism, I don't give a crap if it's someone's personal right to do moonflower if they end up killing someone because of it. I say give the states the power to decide drug laws. Hopefully, most states will make pot legal and a few will keep the ban so the concerned mothers organization can got here and not complain. But the dangerous drugs, ones that make people delusional and violent, those need to stay illegal. And don't say that that fuels drug dealers. It does only to a degree. Meth dealers, for example, are caught very frequently. This is a large deterant. Pot dealers on the other hand, can get away with it better. The market for violent drugs is significantly smaller than the others anyway.

[Euthanatos]

Sorry....gotta call BS on ya there ninja. The post previous to mine mentioned social services. I think addicts need help and that social services should step in and get them help, No...you can't save people from themselves. That's socialism. You just make the avenues undeniably available. You cannot force recovery on an addict even to the point of allowing Euthanasia. Darwinization, it's not history, but it can be the future. especially if they have a family. Yes, especially if they have a family. Getting involved beyond the protection of those who cannot otherwise protect themselves will not work. Confrontational visits are the extent unless a waiver of certain rights toward the endeavor of assisted Detox for a limited period of time is as far as an ideal system should go. Note, there is no Utopia. The most that can be asked for of a system is liberty and protection from others. The system cannot protect you from yourself without violating every amendment in the bill of rights at some point. Addicts can't help it, they got carried away and are physically unable to stop. Actually, Heroine and strong opiates are the only drugs that develope physical dependancies. As such, only %20 develope such physical dependancies statistically, and detox from opiates will not kill you even though detox from alchohol will. Psychological addiction is the primary factor and leads to a rise in statistic among those physically addicted to Opiates due to prolonged useage. Most physically dependant opiate users have real pain for which only opiates may lessen. Interestingly enough, there are some pains opiates cannot stop. Most of those are nerve pain and Marijuana tends to treat most of those cases. Cyatic Nerve damage & Multiple Sclerosis for just a couple of examples. AA is good an all, but lots of time someone has to step in for them to even go. Forced rehab on anyone just hampers the whole recovery process. Tends to turn what is meant to be a place of recovery into a connection hub for what most are trying to avoid to begin with.

[ninja9578]

Just one correction. Lots and lots of drugs cause physical dependancies, any of them that alter the chemistry of the brain can produce a physical addiction. Even caffeine is very slightly physically addictive. Some are just much harder to quit than others. The most notorious is nicotine, it mimics the effects of dopamine so the body stops producing it. No, it's not socialism, it's public service. Some people destroy themselves and that's fine, but it also destroys the lives of those around them, and in rare cases can take them. Lots of people are stupid and get into a car under the influence. Addicts need help. If they get caught under the influence, they need to be sent to rehab.

[Bearsy]

Aye, treatment, not jail time. Why should one addict's disease be illegal while the other gets to buy a patch with their health insurance?