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      Those are some cool experiences. Many times the images and transition (vibrations and other sensations) are as good as the LD itself. Happy dreams

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      Yes indeed, its just cool and interesting experiences

      Last night I didnt recall much at all, barely anything worth writing down and that was most because its weekend and I get off my sleep schedule a little.
      I've noticed that I need to go to sleep before i'm tired at all to have best success and be most aware during the night!
      Tonight I might go to bed early.

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      Ok saturday was a bad day too and sunday aswell. In sunday I went asleep very early to go up early for school and in the wbtb I thought, I'd sit up and surf on my Iphone - not a good idea. I didnt fall asleep again that night so I was awake until school from the wbtb.
      It's clear to me now how important going to sleep in perfect time is and how much activity I should do on the wbtb(not much at all - not even getting up).

      However monday to tuesday night I was successful I fell asleep fairly early and I've gotten the habit to wake up 1 hour before my wbtb so I did and I just wrote down my dream and did SSILD reps to fall asleep mostly and because it makes my recall and awareness better during the night.
      So I woke up again an hour later and it was the wbtb. I didnt get up, i just wrote down my dream and this time I did the SSILD reps properly(managed to do about 3) then i fell asleep. I woke up in a dream sometime later(yes I woke up in the dream and it was some kind of FA but not even in my room, but that barely did it easier to get me lucid because im stupid as shit when im asleep). But I just realized after a while that i've woken up in a dream and I did proper stabilisation(first time i manage to do that in a DILD). I tasted some stuff, looked around, smelled some stuff, and it was good but I wasnt sure what to do so I thought, lets fly. But I couldnt, I didnt have the imagination enough to do so and after a while I woke up again in my dream and this time I did a deild IN the dream so it was still dream initiated - just without me knowing about it. So I got up and this time I was able to fly, and after a while I got control over my height and flying direction. I saw a big window ahead of me and flew to it, when I reached it I flew right through it and I felt that my mind hadnt made up what was gonna be behind that window so it was all black. Then some sort of blue energy cube appeared and then the room lit up and there were like... dementors.. I didnt see the dementors only their hands that tried to grab me and touched my face and shit. but i didnt even get scared, I was too aware of that it was a dream and I just relaxed and got a levitating feeling of myself in my physical bed and slowly woke up.

      It was nice, my dilds are improving. I managed to do stabilisation this time. Next time maybe I'll know what to do.

      Also my recall was pretty good, about 2 longer and a shorter dream. And the lucid events.

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      Congrats on stabilizing!

      1. no need to have imagination to fly. Just know that there is no gravity in dreams. But I see you did some flying later on. Good job.
      2. I like how you are able to figure out what works/doesn't work for you.
      3. WBTB - it's usually recommended to get out of the bed for it. But if it works for you without, that's great. I found that reading tutorials, like on stabilization, dream chaining (DEILD) helps me a great deal, as I remember everything in great detail about it in lucids.
      4. Make a plan of what you want to do in a lucid. Write it down, daydream about it. So when in lucid, you don't waist time thinking what to do and risking destabilizing the dream.

      Keep at it, you doing great.

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      Thursday night I had consumed alcohol and I got short rem also bad recall friday morning.
      However friday night I had a rem rebound and my app recorded 3 hours of REM thereof 9 dreams!
      I remember two very long dreams and fragments from other dreams. And I also had a strange experience; I woke up by my app that played an audio cue and I decided to try deild as I succeeded to keep my eyes closed and not move. I just relaxed and felt myself starting to vibrate.
      I've read a book that said you can take this opportunity and just "grab the rope" to have an obe. I tried doing that and I felt my arms moving, like I felt the nervesignals of moving my arms going fully through but when I opened my eyes, I was seeing the physical world so I saw that my arm were lying still and that I was in sleep paralysis. And this was so weird because I kept moving my arm and it felt like I was doing it but I saw with my eyes that I wasnt. It was like my tactial senses had transitioned into the "astral/phantomic" world whatever but that my eyes were stuck in the physical xD
      It was really strange but then I forced myself out of the SP as it felt pretty creepy and just went to sleep.

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      Quote Originally Posted by daban View Post
      I've read a book that said you can take this opportunity and just "grab the rope" to have an obe. I tried doing that and I felt my arms moving, like I felt the nervesignals of moving my arms going fully through but when I opened my eyes, I was seeing the physical world so I saw that my arm were lying still and that I was in sleep paralysis. And this was so weird because I kept moving my arm and it felt like I was doing it but I saw with my eyes that I wasnt. It was like my tactial senses had transitioned into the "astral/phantomic" world whatever but that my eyes were stuck in the physical xD
      It was really strange but then I forced myself out of the SP as it felt pretty creepy and just went to sleep.
      Oh, noooooo! Daban, if I understand you right, you got it! You were doing it right and it was working. That's exactly how 'the rope' technique works. You suppose to grab the pretend rope with your astral hands and pull your astral body out of your sleeping physical body, while your physical body is in SP, not moving. Had you not opened your eyes and continued untill you are all out and floating, you would have been OOB!!!!! I wanna cry. But you doing great, just try it again Happy travels

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      Quote Originally Posted by gab View Post
      Oh, noooooo! Daban, if I understand you right, you got it! You were doing it right and it was working. That's exactly how 'the rope' technique works. You suppose to grab the pretend rope with your astral hands and pull your astral body out of your sleeping physical body, while your physical body is in SP, not moving. Had you not opened your eyes and continued untill you are all out and floating, you would have been OOB!!!!! I wanna cry. But you doing great, just try it again Happy travels
      Hahha yea thats so unfortunate.. The thing was that the moment I realized I was "moving" my arm I thought I already had transitioned and that opening my eyes would be opening my eyes in the dream world. I'll take it more easy the next time.
      So this weekend I didnt do too good and yesterday I had trouble falling asleep because it was first school morning in 4 days. I did however recall 3 pretty vivid and fun dreams so I'm satisfied. Tonight I will probably have some REM rebound and I've also gotten some good amount of sun and workout. I should go to sleep really early tonight to keep good awareness in my sleep and avoid drowsyness Looking forward to tonight.

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      This night went to bed pretty early but I had to go up very early so I could've went to sleep even earlier. However I did not have many awakenings and not a proper wbtb but when I woke up about 6 hours after going to sleep I tried to wild and lost conciousness until a dream appeared. Although when the dream appeared I imidiately realised it was a dream because I remembered being in bed trying to wild, just that I lost conciousness until a scene appeared. I would call this a DILD more I think.. Because I lost conciousness. The LD wasn't so vivid and it was very short and I had no time to affect much, only interact with some dc's.

      I've noticed that the feeling in a dream changes entirely when gaining lucidity.. It gets more vivid.. but much less stable and I imidiately start to fumble and feel like.. dizziness/energy flows in my dream body when being lucid.

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      Congrats on your lucid! Couldn't have been that short, if you had time to talk to DCs Make a plan what you want to do in a dream and daydream about it, write it down. It gives you better chance for a longer dream, if you start doing it, right after you stabilize. Happy dreams

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      I haven't been lucid since my last post mostly because of the weather changes here in sweden, it has been pretty hot this past week and I've been sleeping differently.

      However last night I had good timing on the sleeping and I had two DILDS!
      The first one was really good. Probably the best DILD so far. I was going somewhere with school and suddenly I stood still to meditate or something, do a breathing exercise(I'm doing that a lot in my daily life to maintain conciousness in the precense) and the breathing exercise was to hold my breath(lucky me thats a RC) so I noticed I could breathe even though I held my breath and I became lucid, stabilized(cant tell if it worked or not, didnt really feel a difference after stabilizing but it was pretty stable from beginning) I also noticed that if I rub my hands too fast and look at them and stop pay attention to my environment around me, I get the feeling of that the dream is fading so I don't think I will be doing that any more, I will stick to the environment stabilizing techniques. I had fun anyway, I flew a little bit and then after a while I felt like the dream was gonna fade so I went and had sex to end the lucid dream by myself(felt better, rather than loosing it).

      I woke up, I didnt write it down. Don't know why, I felt like I couldn't forget it and I didnt forget it so it was fine. So when I woke up at 4.30 I did SSILD reps(4 reps of each sense) and went back to sleep. As soon as I entered a new dream, I found myself with my friends and they were all trying to fly, so it triggered my lucidity when I was gonna show them how to do it. that lucid was pretty short and I cant recall much of what I did later after flying. But just the feeling of being lucid was good enough for me since it was my second one for the night.

      What could have been better was that I could've dreamt bigger.. The first LD was so stable and I had so much control, I should've done something really cool. I do have some goals, but I didn't really remember them in the LD.

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      Tonight I was lucid for like.. 2 minutes xD
      I remember doing the digital clock RC upon waking up and it changed like crazy so I got lucid and then just lost it because I either fell into another dream or woke up irl. dont remember.
      I didn't expect any lucidity this night though, because I went to sleep too late and it showed that I was tired in the dreams because the lucid one was so short.

      Close enough though, I'm getting better at dilding it feels like.

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      Man, you doing really well. Congratulations on all those DILDs Obviously you doing something right, keep at it.

      Think about your goals more during day. Write them down, daydream, act them out. That should help you remember them when lucid. Happy dreams

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      Thank you, will do

      Last night I was in a long LD, I don't remember how it was triggered but it wasnt from SSILD since I didnt even do any wbtb, I was too tired.
      Also due to that I was so tired, I've forgotten a lot from the LD, I just remember that it was very stable and I was very calm and I handled it good, when I woke up from it, i easily chained it 1 or two more times further to a very long LD but the third time, it just felt like I was out of REM time, and that I was too awake to DEILD further. I recalled 2 more dreams from that night.

      I know the LD was really good but it's sad I can't fully recall it. But it's good anyway, because I've had 4 LDs in 3 nights and throughout these nights I have felt very aware, all of my dreams have been very vivid and it feels like if I were lucky, anything could've triggered lucidity in all the other dreams aswell.

      I can recall fragments of doing LD practices in the dreams, doing WILDs in the dreams and stuff like that.

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      Good stuff. Doing really well.

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      My natural wake-ups are messing up and it's a shame. Because I have summerbreak from school now and I'm able to sleep whenever I want and around 10 is really early if you have nothing to attend in the morning. So I'm going to bed around 11-1 but then I don't have many natural wakeups.
      It also makes me want to go back to sleep instead of writing in DJ when I do have wakeups during the night but due to the practice I have done with dream recalling, I'm able to recall about 1-2 maybe 3 if im lucky, dreams without writing anything.

      Last night I had a lucid dream inside a dream so it I'm not sure I was lucid.. I was hanging out with my friends and decided to show one of them that I could fly in my LD, so we casually entered a shared dream which was just outside my house and I started to try to jump, at first I failed but then finally I flew a little bit and she was impressed, I told her to remember the dream when she wakes up and so we woke up in what I thought was reality.

      So I wasnt aware of me lying in bed at home... But.. Yea I dont know it was nice anyway.

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      If you have time to sleep in in the morning, you can try waking up 90 minutes before your normal waking time, stay up for 90 minutes, do MILD exercise for 10 minutes before falling back to sleep for a 90-minute nap. You have 67% chance to have a lucid during this "nap".

      Here is a link to the study

      It used to work for me well, although I changed 90 min to 60 min. Good luck!

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      Ok thats interesting, I usually have problems falling asleep after waking up in the morning but maybe it will work. I will try it.
      Also tonight i had like... 2 DILDs. And my recall of them isnt the best but I remember what I was doing and what I was trying to do and so on..
      And it seems like I have sooo little control.. Like, I couldnt change anything, I couldnt fly, I just jumped, I could only walk around and talk to DC's.. The dream was very vivid, it was perfect, it was so perfect that I had no control over it. It felt like it was too good for me to be the boss over it haha it sounds weird.

      Also, after doing the MILD, can I try to WILD into the "nap"? it seems like a good opportunity to wild, since I usually don't get good opportunities to WILD, if I fail it, I just roll over and sleep. right?

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      Well, you can read some control tutorials if you have not done so yet. But sometimes you just have no control, or very little. Here is a thread about some dream control "commands". And here about flying.

      Sure, you can try WILD. And if it fails, just go to sleep and you can still have a DILD.

      You are doing really well. Keep it up. Happy dreams

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      I didnt have time to try the method you proposed because tonight I had to go up early for final day at school, I went to bed late though, around 1 and fell asleep about 2.
      So I had this dream which was a false awakening of my dad coming into my room to wake me up and then there was this girl at my house that sorta.. moved in with us and she was my friend or something.
      I tried to get ready for school but i had so long hair and it was so thin that I couldnt do anything with it and it looked ridicolous, so we missed school and the girl was crying so I was trying to make her feel better.
      Then all of a sudden we were at a beach and I was looking at the sun, it was huge, and it had texture on it, I cant recall the first line but the second was "You're not dreaming" So it reminded me to do a reality check. It worked and I became lucid, I stabilised and
      I was being very calm and the environment was sooo soo vivid, I remember saying everything I saw just to make it more vivid, like "there's a girl working on her tan, there's the sun, there's the train rails, there's the sand, the sky, the water, the other side of the water"
      So from nowhere I decided to teleport to the other side of the water, and what I did was that I closed my eyes and when I opened them, instead of being on the other side, I opened my physical eyes.

      #1 fuckup, omfg hahaha. Anyway I'm sure I would have been unlimited if I just wouldnt do that stupid action, I had even read that you shouldn't close your eyes in a dream then you wake up but the thing is that I've done it before so many times without waking up but this time it woke me up .

      Also I've written before that I use the DreamZ app that plays audio cues during my REMs and lately when I go to bed at late, I wake up with no volume on the phone, like I subconciously turn it off when I hear it in the night. Maybe I should try a lower volume.... or just go to bed earlier

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      Tonight I had pretty fun.
      after 6 hours of sleep, the dreams were just pouring in and I woke up after each one. After one of them I happened to have an opportunity to DEILD back into it because I was in SP when I woke up, but it was too scary and it felt like I could barely breathe, so I aborted that.
      And I fell into a nonlucid. In the nonlucid, I was being chased by cops in a place close to where I live and I knew it was a dream but it was like it was inception. We were 3 layers in and I told my friends to just simply open their eyes and they would wake up, because it was scary being chased.
      And so did I, and I woke up, but just seconds later I was back in the dream with full lucidity and I was still being chased so I ran to a hill and just flew off it, this time using the flying technique "imagining I had wings" and it worked, I grew wings.

      So I felt the dream becoming unstable because I had been sleeping for so long and I flew down and started to battle with a police, I beat him up and then I woke up.

      Other times during the morning when I woke up from dreams, I was close to deilding back and overall I had good awareness and many occassion where I could have become lucid.
      Great night.

      Currently I'm only practicing ADA with good RC's and some autosuggestions before I go to bed.
      So far I've had Lucids every night were I have been autosuggesting properly but I think thats just a placebo.

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      No, not a placebo. Mantras and autosuggestions are real Yeah, don't close your eyes, will most likely wake you up. But those are some nice LDs. Good job, keep it up

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      tonight I had some rem rebound sleep and i slept for about 10-11 hours.
      I dreamt and daydreamt and just stuff happened in my mind a lot the last hours of the sleep and in my last dream I noticed my teeth were weird so I became lucid. It was at my old school and it was incredibly vivid, I talked to some people and just chilled and then a girl appeared, I took her hand and started to fly and it was so vivid that I actually got scared by the height and it was a very euphoric feeling. I messed a little bit with my eyes focus, trying to focus on distanced things and then to my hands and it was really cool. but when I flew I think I got too excited because the dream ended.

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      Did you maybe forget to stabilize?

      Really good job

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      I haven't had any lucids for since last post until last night

      I went to sleep 3 hours after normal time so I didn't really expect much but I was able to recall about 4 dreams, 3 longer one and the fourth that was lucid was a shorter.
      In the dream, I don't remember how I got lucid, but I know I forgot to stabilize. I just tried to fly and I failed so I lost lucidity. I tried believing I could fly really hard and I just jumped but it didnt work.
      Then I was laying down and I tried to levitate instead, I'm not sure that worked either. I just was to sleepy to have a good lucid I think.

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      What helps me to remember to stabilize, is to practice it during day. May sound funny, but it works. I stand in my room, say out loud "stabilize" and "awareness now", I rub my hands, look at the palms, touch my arms, look at my shirt and pants. Try

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