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      Hey Gab, it's been a while since I've been on dream views. I haven't been putting much effort into trying to lucid dream in past months and I haven't had much of any results. I've been really trying though for a couple weeks; I've been dream journaling every day, doing ADA and reality checks, and I've even started a regular journal to help with recall in general. I've attempted WBTB MILDs with only one (small) success.

      Should I just keep doing what I'm doing and hope I somehow get the hang of it, or should I try something different?

      Thanks

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      Welcome back!

      If you feel like you had good results with MILD/DILD, I would give it some more time to get the practice to start working again. Re-read some DILD tutorials - http://www.dreamviews.com/dild/13212...ods-dilds.html and Induction Methods and Techniques

      Not sure if you have read excellent WILD (sageous) tutorial. http://www.dreamviews.com/wild/ I recommend it, even if you not planning on trying out WILD just yet. It has great stuff about mental preparation, RCs, self-awareness, WBTB, that are great for DILDs also.

      And if you feel like you would like to tackle WILD, I think you are ready for it. Since WILDs use WBTB and naps, and DILDs use just regular bed time, they can be practiced even on the same day and will give you better chance for a LD. Even if you don't want to try it out yet, read it, so you ready, in case situation presents itself.

      For the same reason, I would recommend reading a DEILD tutorial.
      http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...me-ld-god.html
      http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...cid-dream.html

      The best motivation I have found is reading DV. I got my first DEILD after reading the above tut (re-entering collapsed...) the same night after reading it. Intent, expectation and excitement plays a huge role in getting LDs.

      So, I would be happy to help you with no matter which method you chose to go with, or of course, you can joing sageous's WILD class, as he is a true WILD master.

      Happy dreams

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      Great! I'll read everything and try WILD with my current routine.
      I forgot to mention a weird experience I had about a month ago-- my irregular sleep schedule might be how this happened. I was meditating at bedtime listening to white noise with headphones for about 20-30 minutes and I clearly remember "popping" into a dream. I tried to hold on to it, but it lasted probably a minute. I guess it was a WILD? It was at bedtime though. The dream itself was very featureless although I remember feeling myself in my dream body.

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      It's very rare, and I'm not sure it's possible at all, to get a lucid before any sleep. Only dreams there are NREM dreams, and even those are not right away, after we fall asleep. It could hve been one of those rare occasions though. Or just a combination of feeling of weightlessness from body being relaxed, combined with some HH.

      That said, I like all the different "weird" things that can happen besides a LD. If you wanna explore it some more, here is a thread about exploring Delta sleep.

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      I did it. I had a DILD. For most of the dream I felt that there were no consequences, and then I yelled "This is a dream!!", and the dream collapsed. I thought, this is a perfect time to DEILD. I guess I woke up too much and it failed.

      Overall, tonight I made a lot of progress.
      I also attempted WILD twice last night. The second attempt got pretty close I think; I gave up because I felt like I was losing too much sleep.

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      Hey, that's awesome, congrats!

      Yeah, if you get too excited, that may wake you up. And I agree, pulling off a DEILD is a matter of not waking up too much. Keep at it, good luck

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      I have had no luck. I haven't had a lucid since the last time I posted.
      I haven't had any improvement in recall.
      When I try to WILD, I fall to sleep (I guess I can fix that by staying awake longer)
      I just don't know what else I can do to have DILDs; I'm trying every thing I can-- reality checks, dream journaling, mantras before I fall to sleep. Something worth noting: I've never had a DILD where I noticed something strange and became lucid; they've all been spontaneous.

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      Well, that spontaneity came from you practicing awareness and RCs. It didn't just come out of nowhere.

      Sometimes we may go through a dry spell. It can be caused by stress. But it will pass and you will have LDs again. And btw, since 9/3, it's not such a long time without a LD. It's normal. Try to step back and refocus. I know you have had DILDs before, so maybe it's time to try WILD. I recommend reading sageouse's WILD I linked above.

      It's ok to keep practicing for DILDs and read the WILD, so you are ready for it. And since they are practiced at different times, you can aim for both of them. Good luck

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      I just had what I think was the most amazing lucid dream I've had yet. It was a WILD. It was a very quick, smooth transition. When I got into the dream, I was awestruck with the amazing sensation of being in a dream. Man, that feeling is incredible, nothing like it.
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      Congrats on your WILD. They are great, I agree

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      Hey Gab,
      Since the last time I talked to you, I've gotten a few lucid dreams under my belt, but nothing like the WILD I told you about. There is a common theme about them; they all felt very limiting. I mean they feel fragile, like if I try to do anything spectacular, they'll collapse.
      In retrospect, all my lucid dreams have felt this way; like I feel like I've made very little progress with dream control.
      Do you know what I can do to somehow lengthen or enhance my lucid dreams?
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      Quote Originally Posted by 123north123 View Post
      ...like I feel like I've made very little progress with dream control.
      Do you know what I can do to somehow lengthen or enhance my lucid dreams?
      Frankly, I struggle with making my LDs not so fragile myself. I don't really know what makes a difference between waking up just seconds after it starts and having a few min long stable LD. I suspect though, at least for me, that is has something to do with how deep I'm sleeping at the moment. Since it's much easier to get lucid when we are already kinda waking up, because our minds are starting to get more aware at that time, it's easier to lose lucidity in a dream as well.

      It could also come down to expectation. If you think and worried about waking up too soon, then this thought is there with you when you get lucid and that itself may wake you up. I used to have a mentality "man, my LDs are so short, I have to really hurry and do things before I wake up". But that was not the right mentality. So I switched to "slow down, look around". I recite this mantra when WILDing. And if you are DILDing, just believing that you are not going to wake up too soon may do wonders.

      Also, after you get lucid, don't rush. Take your time to integrate yourself with your dream. Become a part of it. But keep reminding yourself that you are dreaming with RCs or mantra, so you don't forget and it doesn't turn into a regular dream.

      And this may sound silly, but you can try and practice doing these "spectacular" things during day. Pretend you just got lucid, do what you want to do and convince yourself, that it didn't collapse your LD.

      And maybe, you can find some more of those simple, but fun things to do. Until you convince yourself, that your LD will not collapse from spectacular things.

      Hope at least some of this helps. happy dreams

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