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      Stephīs DILD Workbook

      I have put together a collection of my "basics" already once before next door in the intro class.

      Reading through the material and workbooks of this course I came up with the desire to start a workbook in here as well.
      Gab - your almost every sentence makes so much sense to me and seems to resonate with my take at it all - Iīve had to hold back on clicking 10.000 likes for your wonderful answers and explanations in here, not to clog your inbox to the brim..
      Right - here I am once more - from the basics, which I copy-pasted over I have worked out some more detail now - and I will see to continue from there onwards.

      I have a DJ here but some dreams will stay in my private DJ on paper - like most of the two from last night - maybe later more - maybe only tomorrow - I wrote so much today..

      My DJ


      Day-time awareness practice:

      Being on the lookout for even mildly odd occurrences - like tipping over something, or not finding something or reading something surprisingly new...
      To then - stop in my tracks and consciously pay attention to the concept, that I am right here right now + my senses and what they are telling me + looking back about 10 min. and analysing what I had been doing then.
      Thanks to reading a post of Sageous yesterday - I have more of a grip how to handle me having been on the net or just working on the pc.
      In as far as this is of course you in interplay with reality - even if just taking in certain information or putting it down/rearranging it.

      I am on here daily and thus want to keep expectation and anticipation alive.

      And I plan to work on my prospective memory in some way yet undefined.

      A great side-effect by the way - I try to live more healthily!!



      Reality Checks:

      - Looking at my hands
      - Trying to breathe with nose held closed
      - Trying to remember what I did 10 min. ago

      Dream Signs:

      - Being at the place, I spent my youth at (Bavaria, Tegernsee)
      - School and meeting schoolmates/ex-boyfriends
      - University
      - my old job(s)
      - Trying and failing to achieve the simplest things - like not getting somewhere, or not getting somewhere in time - packing things up and something staying behind - trying to talk to somebody, whom I see in the dream, and not managing for some reason
      - my (dead) grandmother
      - not having enough clothes on in certain contexts
      - lots more actually..

      Short-Term Goals:

      - well - gaining lucidity - I even had some of it in the last night and the one before
      - finding a mix of techniques for certain circumstances that works best for me - going after DILD but also WILD incl. WBTB and DEILD
      - keeping a dream-journal and not only trying to remember dreams for the day after - putting them down - reviewing them
      - working on real-life awareness and prospective memory
      - keeping the desire alive

      Long-Term Goals:

      - gaining control, so I can create the scenario I want to dream in, while dreaming
      - gaining control, so I can accomplish tasks, I set up before I go to sleep - taking part in the challenges and getting these nice wings..
      - finding inspiration and maybe answers/insights into my psyche and maybe being able to resolve difficulties in real life
      - working on my dart-throwing technique - it is possible to do something there with visualization and banishing mind-chatter (sounds a bit weird - I know..)

      Lucid Dream Recall History from before joining up here:

      I am pretty sure, I had lucid dreams in my childhood. What I remember is that I repeatedly "knew" I was dreaming and when that happened, I used to jump out of windows - esp. our kitchen window of my motherīs/grandmotherīs house.
      That would give me the momentum, I needed to go flying - it was actually "air-swimming" - so I did it in a later lucid as well.
      I hope I master this a bit better in the future - superwoman like without the strenuous swimming would be much nicer!

      First time around I gained lucidity later after consciously aiming at it was around me being 20 years old.
      I had been reading Castaneda and took it all on face value.
      This was not exactly a good thing in my case, since expecting to be in a real danger while in the dream-world followed from it.

      I had been telling myself, when I notice I dream I will look at my hands etc. for about 2 weeks every night before falling asleep.
      And it did work - I fully stabilized the dream with looking at my hands, till I saw every little detail crystal clear.

      This was on different levels one of the most memorable and profound experiences I ever had - finding out, that waking reality as it appears is in no way the only one, that can be fully experienced with all my senses in 3d and fully realistic.
      Primarily though - I expected to have switched reality-realms and - as said - was in real danger there eventually.

      While pondering this - the scene changed - the walls of a cave which I was exploring for fun with friends suddenly turning to sand and come down from all sides on me.
      With all the willpower I could muster, I transferred my consciousness back into my body - just to find, I was literally unable to move or scream - no malignancy hallucinations luckily - I was just afraid to be sucked back to where I had just escaped from.
      This was the only time such a thing happened to me.
      The whole affair - the nightmarish dream and the full on REM Atonia afterwards kept me off trying again for years.
      In the meantime I let go of my little and bigger "beliefs" - I would call them superstitions today - and took an agnostic standpoint.

      A bit of a letdown - sort of - isnīt it just nice to imagine a world of easily reachable real beings of another realm and to believe, one can leave the physical body in form of oneīs spiritual body and do really affect reality?
      Well - itīs nice but also scary and I do see no reasons to believe such.
      Instead I hope for first contact with aliens during my lifetime now...lol

      So - then I came across Nick Newport in the process, and I think, I can say I have again been held back somehow, by expecting what he describes, and just not getting there at all.
      I would say - the hyping of a LD entry per - basically WILD - but like he spins his sales-pitch per stressing the OBE aspect as if it was the thing to learn might be a good way for him to disappoint followers of the videos on youtube so people go ahead and buy the books..
      Right - not on here to slate him - maybe I am mistaken - but - I now see it so, that I had the following experiences rather despite his specific instructions.

      What brought me onwards was repeating mantras before falling asleep again during this time - and I experienced a wonderful, quite long LD.

      It also started with stabilizing my hands visually - oh - it was so lovely with hyper-real visual dreamscape, never before have I had such perceptions of detail and colour and intricacy where ever I chose to look.
      I managed to conjure up the place I wanted to be at - not so difficult - my old childhood home comes up on itīs own often enough.
      There I could air-swim again - and I met some people, I wanted to meet and have had conversations with them - it was pure joy.
      This radiated into my waking life for quite a while - almost therapeutic.


      - third was a semi-lucid experience - the same crystal-clear and beautiful imagery and short glimpses of the realization that it was a dream, but no real lucidity with control. On the other hand - I saw a procession of beings, which were so vivid and magically inspiring - it is still a memory I like to revisit - just a procession of people in habit of some sort of order - different groups with different habits - floating by and being just plain magnificent.

      - one more instance, where I got lucid, but it faded around me almost instantly - I tried spinning - but really wildly spinning - I read now it is not meant to be done like that - bam - dream gone - only emptiness - and I woke up.

      Current Technique:

      - DILD
      - WBTB/DEILD since last night!


      I will keep this as intro-post and follow up with last nights experiences in the following one.
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      I am so very excited again!
      After two days of journaling only I had a short lucid moment the night before the last one – just been looking at my hands and lost it again.

      Last night now – I have two dreams in very good recall – I will not put them down in their main points in my DV-dreamjournal – too personal, but I have them recorded.
      Towards the end of the second dream – I was in the room of my first boyfriend and we were at the computer, me showing him something DV-like – haha!! – when I thought of looking at my hands, already half-knowing I was dreaming.
      I looked for a while, but again – it didnīt work like it did twice before years ago.
      There were only my hands left, and I somehow woke up shortly and dreamt on – or so – not really sure, if I dreamt on in the first place without waking up.

      I think, next time I rather use the environment for looking and rub my hands?

      Anyway – what really was absolutely mindblowing:

      Waking up later again – I tried to WILD.
      Looking at the back of my closed eyes – waiting for pictures.
      I was surprised, there were none – just greyish fog – and I usually can get some patterns going, when I want to.
      Anyway – there I waited – and low and behold: BELLS AND WHISTLES!!
      Well – it was so – a vibration started around my face and quickly spread everywhere in my body and grew in intensity from some susurration to quite a lot dssssssss.
      It was so exciting – something completely new in the realm of experiences!!
      And then – to really make it beautiful – an electric blue mandala-formation appeared – could draw it, still!
      Yepp – too much excitation I guess – I was so enthused – I woke up!
      Ah – but soon – I know it!
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      We meet again StephL Gab recently recruited me to help out in the DILD area so let me know if you have any questions. Nice experience with your WILD attempt and your DILDs are working as well! The stability will come (or come back) with time and practice. For me, once I feel significant vibrations, the dream is only seconds away but they do say each person's experiences can be quite different. Your mandala-formation may have been the beginning of your dream if it came right after the vibrations. And yes getting too excited or paying too much attention to any of the pre-dream "noise" can work against you. A relaxed, patient mindset seems very important. Observing everything passively is better, at least until you get a feel for whether you are about to enter a dream or not. Thinking about it too much is likely to keep you awake. It is usually recommended to hold off on WILDs until you have more (current) experience with LDs. You did sound close though, so if you have enough time in your sleep schedule to put into your WILD attempts, there is no harm in trying as long as you don't get frustrated.

      I do see one question in your post regarding looking at your hands in the environment...did you mean looking at your hands in the environment around you instead of looking at your hands in front of a computer screen?
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      Thank you for answering!

      I also think, I could have entered a dream when that mandala appeared - somehow, stupidly, I think I wanted to tell my husband about the sensations more than go on in patience and really treat it as the door it is supposed to be.
      Like - instead of entering - seeing a beautiful door and running away to tell somebody about the door...rolleyes.gif

      With the hand-looking I mean something else.
      When I do it as RC - there are no problems in real life.
      But the two times I reached that state in a dream, becoming lucid and doing the hand-looking as a means to stabilize the dream to actually enter it lucidly - I failed.
      When I do this - I take my dream-body hands up in front of my face - first time around this took some effort, the second time not.
      Then I look at them with the goal to see them in detail and really realistically - fine hair, lines, normal shape - this did work at least twice before years back.
      After having them clear and in detail - the rest of the dream was also clear and I was instantly in a 3D environment.
      These latest two times - the first time, I got my hands like they should be, but there was nothing else in my perception any more at all - no dream - just me putting in - maybe too much effort.
      And the last time - I didnīt get them to clear at all - they were blurry and bluish - and also no dream anymore left.

      So I was thinking - maybe I should instead look at my surroundings - some object or location in the dream - so I donīt loose connection but rather instil myself locally.
      And maybe rub my hands instead to get a feel for my dream-body at the same time.
      I will give it my best the coming night again - last night, I wasnīt motivated enough to go for LD.

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      That sounds like a good plan. Yes, if you can see your hands clearly that is great but they often don't look normal, so if you have 6 fingers but it is nice and clear then that is great. If you do find yourself with nothing else around - often called "the void" - just continue forward rubbing your hands like you mentioned and eventually a dream can form. There are people that love to work from the void because you can sometimes choose the dream world that you enter from there...in fact, my feeling is, if you truly "know" that you will enter a particular dream world, it will work...have no doubts, just be there and it can manifest...it is your dream after all.
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      Bit weird - not a great idea to have two workbooks, maybe, on second thoughts - but since I write loads every day - I just take it in turns..
      Getting mixed input - might be a good thing after all.

      So - from my DJ:

      Conclusions - Overview:
      Comment for in here - the last 3 dreams were me having high romance with all there is to it. The dream before is lost and there was no lucidity at all this night

      First of all - it is so great, that the journalling and general aim of lucidity and gaining dream-control spills over into my normal dreams and makes them so much more satisfying - amazing!!

      Secondly - got to work on readable notes in between dreams.
      First dream, after which I woke up got lost because of indecipherable nonsensical scribblings - except the dart-board snippet, which I posted next door - that I can remember vividly.

      Then - realization, that I actually always was and am able to re-enter a dream after waking up.

      Lucidity:
      I did my mantras and expectation-rising for DILD, but looking back - the real inner plan was more to do a WILD attempt after the first inter-dream awakening.
      I had talked to my hubby - finding out to my surprise that he had sometimes what seems to be called EHS - extremely loud noises from inside his head while falling asleep - and he hates it with a passion.
      Told him excitedly to ride it out next time and try to WILD himself.

      But - just like before several times - I felt tired and lazy and unwilling to try the WILD when the time for it was there - thinking - ah I will wake up once or twice more anyway.
      Which I did - with even less motivation - see dream-content..rolleyes.gif
      This is so silly - I know, it would have been easy to at least get that far as last time once more - that only took like 2 min. lying still and vibrations and optics came.

      gaah.gif


      Plan: Really aim for DILD again, but also try to affirm to not be too lazy and tired and disinterested in doing WILD when waking up inter-dream - Steph - DO IT - FFS!!!
      Oh yeah - and - more awareness-practice!!

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      First of all - it is so great, that the journalling and general aim of lucidity and gaining dream-control spills over into my normal dreams and makes them so much more satisfying - amazing!!

      Secondly - got to work on readable notes in between dreams.
      First dream, after which I woke up got lost because of indecipherable nonsensical scribblings - except the dart-board snippet, which I posted next door - that I can remember vividly.
      Dream journaling, I agree! I also recommend to find a way to highlight your favorite entries to look at later for inspiration...lucid and non lucid entries can be great to review and thus inspire you.

      I have also had partly indecipherable writing in my bedside dream journal. I use the light from my phone to shine on it while writing to try to help try to keep it decipherable.

      I have been meaning to answer something I saw you post somewhere about practicing darts in lucid dreaming...I think it could very well be a great help to getting better. I remembered to try it once during a lucid dream for a different sport and it was fun at the very least and it does seem much better than simply visualizing.

      Then - realization, that I actually always was and am able to re-enter a dream after waking up.
      If you are able to re-enter quickly that can be great for WILD/DEILD, related techniques but WILD takes longer and is more for when you have fully woken up and DEILD for when you are in that transition in that you are only half awake, in my experience.

      Interesting about your husband and EHS. Has he ever lucid dreamed?

      When you were too tired to WILD, no worries! I was just telling someone else, sometimes it is nice to just go to sleep...you don't want to get burned out trying too hard or when you don't really feel like the time is right.
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      Thank you - yeah - I cut myself some slack - donīt have to go for it full-blown every night!
      Iīve taught myself to write per hand without looking - but this only works when fully awake..
      Happened again last night - I seem to always believe - because in that moment it is all fresh and I can remember a lot of storyline and details - that some hints would be enough for the dreams, where I wake up, and go back to sleep - but itīs not (yet, maybe) enough..

      Unfortunately my husband never had a LD - but he would love to and talking with me gets his motivation stirred lately.
      He does meditate - I donīt - but he has a huge problem with sleep-apnoe having to wear a mask - looks like out of intensive care or science fiction and makes some noise - we sleep apart because of it.

      But now he knows the explosive noises in his head are a sign of him falling asleep while still conscious - so maybe he can use it.
      When he was younger, he thought he had little strokes, when this happened..
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      I know someone that has to wear the mask for that condition...that has to be hard. It is good to hear that you are cutting yourself some slack. It is common place to struggle to lucid dream when you place too much pressure on yourself, which I found out for myself recently.

      I could tell in your early days here that you would fit in real well here and you certainly have! You post a lot of good stuff on a variety of threads and subjects! Thank you
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      ..Thank you!

      I was just trying out an awareness-session-addition.
      I often get lost in what I write for example.

      So between posts or whenever
      I have included to guess, what time it is.
      And thought about what I might want and plan for the next hours as far as to the time, when I will want to fall asleep.
      But where I expect myself to be in 10 min. as well - well - "here".. wink.gif ..

      I am fine with me posting away for a while more today - also found out!

      And also that tomorrow is Sunday - and what it will and could hold in store.
      Not a lot of fixed stuff - but some - and one thing will be a week-session along these lines - maybe something nice to get into this as Sunday habit.

      Looking back to yesterday I saw - it was a very typical Friday - my darting Friday.
      Except that I threw the thirteenth 180 of my life yesterday - well, meaning almost two years - thatīs the maximum and three times treble 20.
      That was completely off my mind - together with more private but important things - nice to have had this side effect of doing a bit of time-framing with this.
      It should also boost biographical memory, if done several times a day - well - you will always colour it at the same time.

      So - happy days!
      But I am not aware of my life in such a (mini-over- )view - yet!

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      Congrats on the 180! Nice! I saw your photo of it on another thread and that looks very, very difficult.

      The awareness work is good for LDs and waking life.
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      http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ml#post2060886



      Goes and does some retro-liking..
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      Awesome! Nice lucid Steph!! I am so happy for you and I am sure you will have many more if you choose to keep up your LD practices. Haha on the retro-likes You definitely don't need to feel obligated to like all my responses to you and I noticed I had neglected to like quite a few of your posts that I truly liked and guess I just read on and replied but went back and retro'd as well. Funny.
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      Yeah - funny system - but also nice!

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      Well, I was more laughing thinking it was sweet you going back and giving me the retro's when you really didn't have to. I also think it is a nice system that allows you to let someone know that you appreciate the time they took to post something that you found valuable, helped you, or just thought was nice.
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      Yippee - A Lucid With Doing Several Tasks - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

      Huuuraaah!

      It was again a WILD try after getting up shortly after 7 h of sleep. But I again did reach a state, which was neither here nor there, so to speak, but it dissolved into awakeness repeatedly and after some minutes I was too lazy and rolled over and fell asleep.
      Didnīt take much in the following dream to become lucid.
      Just a pretty far jump - done by a DC leading the way - and I thought - how can she do that??


      I feel it was a bit of a rush through the whole thing, wanting to get everything "done", which I had on the menu, so to speak - next time, I will take more care again as to dealing out my attention budget and putting more emphasis on the pure experience of the dream - not so much a to do list - but it is great to know, that I seem to have almost no problems with remembering my goals and also to access my daytime-memory in the dream.
      Reciting the months seemed ridiculously easy to me, actually.

      So - this must be good!
      Ha - I look forward to these wiiings now!!


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      That was great Steph!! :bravo: 3 different tasks!! The falling backwards one is from DutchRaptor, correct? Yes, you would just want to convince yourself that it won't hurt at all and have no doubt...perhaps imagine falling into a beautiful scene/bed/feathers...or would that be cheating? I will have to try that some time. Your control and your re-entry (sounded like a DEILD, correct?) all seemed to be done like a seasoned lucid dreamer! I am so thrilled for you! And like you said, now that you have those tasks out of the way, you can do whatever "suits your fancy" as we say in the states. And congrats on the wings, they suit you well!!!
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      Quote Originally Posted by fogelbise View Post
      That was great Steph!! :bravo: 3 different tasks!! The falling backwards one is from DutchRaptor, correct? Yes, you would just want to convince yourself that it won't hurt at all and have no doubt...perhaps imagine falling into a beautiful scene/bed/feathers...or would that be cheating? I will have to try that some time. Your control and your re-entry (sounded like a DEILD, correct?) all seemed to be done like a seasoned lucid dreamer! I am so thrilled for you! And like you said, now that you have those tasks out of the way, you can do whatever "suits your fancy" as we say in the states. And congrats on the wings, they suit you well!!!
      Thank you!

      Yeah - from dutchraptor - the falling backwards.
      Since I did lock my knees and really fell over - I guess it counts.
      I did find out, that it did not harm me in any way - I had a notion of one of my vertebrae hitting the floor - a short slight pain - but that was it.
      Not a problem at all - and could have done without the pain as well, I think.

      Aand - yeah - you are right - well noticed! Hehe..
      After the cat stalked off - I actually went off in a way as well - woke up - and did indeed re-enter almost directly.
      Actually - directly - but not into the same scene.

      Thank you!
      I feel like it is really going nicely - hopefully I will not soon get stuck somewhere - but that usually happens, when you learn something - and in the beginning - you take it by storm - and than you got to do the work anyway - and learn it for real..
      You can guess my metaphor, my pet comparison showing up once more, canīt you? wink.gif

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      Great!! DEILDs can be so useful! I don't think you have to get stuck at all, just peaks and valleys on your way to greatness! (Like a good stock chart that drops a little on occasion but the overall trend is up and success!)

      I think I can guess...but I don't want to guess wrong

      Cheers SuperSteph!
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      Morning fogelbise!
      Here the promised report:
      Didnīt work this night..puppydogeyes.gif
      Like the one before - I think, I go back to my alarm-clock at 5 h after sleeping.
      I do not like it, to wake up like that - but it "worked" all three times, when I made a WILD try like this - I got a DILD twice afterwards - and once I got the bells.
      So - tonight once more it is!!
      Cheers!

      Oh - and started journalling again: http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/step...agments-52998/

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      Quote Originally Posted by StephL View Post
      I do not like it, to wake up like that - but it "worked" all three times, when I made a WILD try like this - I got a DILD twice afterwards - and once I got the bells.
      So - tonight once more it is!!
      Cheers!
      Hi Steph! Since you really do not like the alarm, have you experimented with a biological alarm like drinking a certain amount of water before bed to get you up close to the desired time? Waking up needing to go to the bathroom I have found to be more gentle and more likeable though the timing can be off depending on how much liquid you drank during the night leading up to going to bed. This method also seems to wake you up at the end of REM cycles because you body seems to ignore the urge until you are having one of the mini-awakenings that we all have through the night but usually don't notice. I took a quick peek at the journal too and I sometimes sweat as well and usually kicking off one layer of blanket does the trick (if I catch it in time). The singing bowls sounded very nice! Are you still trying SSILD? Let me know if you have any questions as I almost always use it (among other things) on the nights that I get lucid.
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      Quote Originally Posted by fogelbise
      Hi Steph! Since you really do not like the alarm, have you experimented with a biological alarm like drinking a certain amount of water before bed to get you up close to the desired time? Waking up needing to go to the bathroom I have found to be more gentle and more likeable though the timing can be off depending on how much liquid you drank during the night leading up to going to bed. This method also seems to wake you up at the end of REM cycles because you body seems to ignore the urge until you are having one of the mini-awakenings that we all have through the night but usually don't notice.

      The water drinking clock sounds like a good idea to try out - thank you - a bit more hydration being a good idea anyway.
      My feeling goes - I am too mellow, when I just wake up automatically between dreams, and try something then.
      Maybe the urge to go to the toilet can be enough of an activation, though.

      Soo much do I not hate the alarm - esp. if it is not from deep sleep - I was more also thinking about that with the grumpiness.
      Also Sageous advises against it - but anyway - I feel this is what I want to do tonight.

      And I expect myself to be in happy anticipation, when it goes off! As a sort of mental prep - I might be able to pre-set the mood, which will ensue to an extent.
      Might work.


      Quote Originally Posted by fogelbise
      I took a quick peek at the journal too and I sometimes sweat as well and usually kicking off one layer of blanket does the trick (if I catch it in time). The singing bowls sounded very nice! Are you still trying SSILD? Let me know if you have any questions as I almost always use it (among other things) on the nights that I get lucid.
      Hm - you mean catch yourself sweating in the dream and waking up and putting the blanket off and sleep on?
      Somehow I think, I misunderstand you somehow..?

      The bowls sounded wonderful - but no - no SSILD, rather following Sageous - with mantras, but I only made extremely meagre actual efforts - feeling too mellow, somehow.
      I see, where you might see a connection, because I canīt remember to have had many "audio dreams" - so if I would have done a SSILD - it would have fitted as a first example of maybe a connection - but no.

      I will see - not yet sure, what exactly I will do - bit of time left to make up my mind.
      And definitively will I report how it went.
      smile.gif

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      Definitely go with your gut feeling for what you want to try tonight On the sweat/blanket thing, yes, I will often have a mini-awakening probably after one of my first cycles or second cycles and fold back one layer of blanket over towards the middle of the bed. If I remember and it is comfortable enough to do it as I go to bed then I just do it when I go to bed...my wife likes too many blankets sometimes.
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      Soo - I did not hear my alarm.
      I used the mobile phone, which I do not use, when having to get up for work normally - or being on a call-in basis.
      This night - The Monster - is going to be used.
      I drank some water - not enough though - woke up after 7 h and combined with 15 min. up and a cup of tea - this was not too mellow - but too sharp.
      After half an hour of trying both things, after each other SSILD and mantras - I felt not any closer to sleep.
      Went to the toilet and did this and that - when I was then getting once more tired - I thought - once more - but only some affirmations - trying to get a DILD - also didnīt get a DILD.

      I will catch up on DILD once more - read material and go on rc ing.
      What I now came up with - maybe I read and forgot, though - once I change scenery - or once I think of it - I try to imagine, what exactly I would do if this now were a lucid.
      Like in the mood and with the stuff on my mind just like now - and think something up.
      Funny - not easy to throw on ones imagination in such a way regularly.

      Back to the hard work it is - and a proper alarm this time around!

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