Seank151's Workbook

You bring up a good point, Mr. Fogel, but I have addressed it since te beginning. I just forgot to add it to my workbook :P I go to bed at 9, wake up at around 3 for WBTB, and then sleep until 6:20. I actually am getting MORE sleep than when I wasn't practicing lucid dreaming! :D

Last night, my SSILD attempt ended with me telling a DC about how it has worked for me and that I've had 4 LD's in march. It was like we shared a class in school that taught lucid dreaming xD My silly subconscious loves to manifest its desire for lucid dreams in the weirdest ways.

But Mr. Fogel, I haven't had a LD since last Friday! What do you think I should do?

I think I need to change something up because I still havent had once since last friday.

Edit: Actually, Im going to continue to use the exact same methods and techniques the exact same way for the next 2 weeks so i can rule out whether or not they work for me. No changes will be made to my practices.


Sorry for the triple post, i cant seem to edit posts on my phone :(

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Originally Posted by seank12

Last night, my SSILD attempt ended with me telling a DC about how it has worked for me and that I've had 4 LD's in march. It was like we shared a class in school that taught lucid dreaming xD My silly subconscious loves to manifest its desire for lucid dreams in the weirdest ways.

But Mr. Fogel, I haven't had a LD since last Friday! What do you think I should do?

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It is quite normal early in your practices to have a little dip before continuing to progress upwards and onwards. I wouldn't worry at all. Now if there is something new in your practices that doesn't feel right for you, we could talk about that. If everything seems to feel right, then I like your plan below. :)

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Originally Posted by seank12

Edit: Actually, Im going to continue to use the exact same methods and techniques the exact same way for the next 2 weeks so i can rule out whether or not they work for me. No changes will be made to my practices.


Sorry for the triple post, i cant seem to edit posts on my phone :(

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Ah Mr. Fogel, if only it was that simple. Too bad im so anxious and want to try to do a WILD tonight! Sorry it just sounds so tempting. Maybe they will be better for me than DILDS.

Btw, congrats on another lucid!

Thank you :). Nothing wrong with trying WILDs...if you end up falling asleep without awareness initially, it often kicks in later for a DILD and can increase DILDs and DEILDs the same night after a successful WILD. DEILDs are the "easiest" form of WILD but the "easy" part is when waking from an LD.

That is a good observation! No lucid from me, but only because I gave up on the WILD when my arm got sore. I guess its best not to have it up by my head (i sleep on my stomach). Any uncomfortableness becomes untolerable for me, but I will try again tonght! :)

I am not great at WILDs yet but I do know that it is a balancing act where some people who fall asleep too easily and quickly may need to be a little uncomfortable in order to carry some awareness into sleep...and then others who experience things like the pain in your arm will need to find a more comfortable position. The most obvious but overlooked step to WILDing is "falling asleep" as weird as that sounds. Source: Why You Fail at WILDs - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Thanks fo the tips!

But Mr. Fogel... I'm getting duscouraged. Its been too long since I had a lucid. Is there something I can do to just get another one? This is making me sad and frustrated :(

Try not to get discouraged and try to see this as a learning journey. But to answer your question, I would say to try putting just a little more thought and effort into your day practices and combine WBTB with SSILD to give you the best chance of getting your next lucid. At the same time, I think it is helpful to not worry or stress about your next lucid and try to take the mindset that it will happen when it happens while doing what you need to do to help it happen.

Great advice from Mr. Fogel again! I have a couple of updates for my progress.

1) I will now be doing WBTB every other night. I think that will make me more focused and i will try harder because im not just doing it every night.
2) IMPROVE THE MOTHERFRIGGIN REALITY CHECKS!!! In TWO DIFFERENT DREAMS last night I did a reality check and didn't become lucid!! This just proves to me that the way I was practicing them was poor and I wasnt questioning reality with the right mindset. Whenever I do one now, I will say "I think Im dreaming" and take a gaze around the room, really criticizing if i think anything is out of place. I will question in my head if everything is where it should be and if everything makes sense. I will look at my hands and investigate them for 5-10 seconds, really checking to see if they are my waking hands. I do the nose pinch and try to breathe in really hard through it and I dont make any excuses if i can breathe through it. I try and put my finger through my hand, and if it seems like it's going through at all I do more RC's to check. As a last final check RC, I imagine myself floating and try to lift myself off the ground.

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1) I will now be doing WBTB every other night. I think that will make me more focused and i will try harder because im not just doing it every night.
2) IMPROVE THE MOTHERFRIGGIN REALITY CHECKS!!! In TWO DIFFERENT DREAMS last night I did a reality check and didn't become lucid!! This just proves to me that the way I was practicing them was poor and I wasnt questioning reality with the right mindset.

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I like how you are adjusting parts of your approach in ways that make sense. :)

1)This is good as long as you aren't too tired the next day which may be easier with the alternating days if you get nice, restful sleep on the other nights.

2)You may have seen this, but it is a good refresher for anyone including me. Notice in particular the keys in the section "How to do a reality check?" Link: http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...hecks-rcs.html You can post questions on that thread or in here. :)

Hey Mr. Fogel great news!!! 5th lucid last night!

I have barely any time to write this, so I apologize for being brief.

The original lucid may have beem a WILD but I did chain with DEILD so that counts as WILD anyways so yay for my first WILD!

I know youre not really a WILD type of guy (at least, not when it comes to dreaming) but Im still happy!

Awesome Sean!! Getting lucid from any method is always awesome and you now have a new tool in your arsenal! Congrats!! :D Though I don't focus on WILDs as much, I do like them!

Hey again Mr. Fogel! Good news! I've been lucid the last 2 nights.

1st night: the lucid was in a period of 30 minutes. unstable, could hear my dad doing things in waking life, and overall not great. Tech: sleeping
2nd: Not bad, more stable and vivid. Short and didn't accomplish much, forgot some of the first LD before chaining it with 2nd. Tech: SSILD

Keep it up Sean!! You are on a roll!! :D Remember to keep doing the day practices! It is easy to let up on those by thinking that you don't need them anymore which would be a mistake, at least at your or my stage of practice.

Alright so 8th lucid last night! That means 3/4 of the past 4 nights Ive been lucid! Let me note some changes.

1) No more meditation. Got old and boring and is rather unhelpful.
2) WBTB is now for 30 minutes with reading of a book about LD's.

Im seriously thinking I could WILD pretty easily if I started with SSILD and then went into a mantra... maybe I'll try that tomorrow, because today is my WBTB-off night.

I seem to be getting lucid frequenty now, but my dream control hasnt been great. Do you have any advice Mr. Fogel the Great? :)

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I seem to be getting lucid frequenty now, but my dream control hasnt been great. Do you have any advice

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Congrats on #8!! With dream control, expectation that whatever you are trying will work is very important. Remove all doubt and just know that you can do practically anything in a lucid dream! :) If that doesn't help, please let me know what dream control issues are challenging you and we can sort it out!

Thanks again Mr. Fogel! You're one of the few teachers i have a lot of respect for :)

You are too kind! I am guessing that you are thinking of school teachers since we have a great bunch of DV teachers in various parts of DV. We have some real gems currently active...I was going to mention some names but I didn't want to leave anyone out. :)

Yes i am speaking of school teachers of course, all the DV teachers are amazing :)

Mr fogel.. Ive been getting so lazy with my practices. Uncaring RC's, not actually doing a tech with WBTB, and not even recording dreams :(

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Mr fogel.. Ive been getting so lazy with my practices. Uncaring RC's, not actually doing a tech with WBTB, and not even recording dreams :(

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Don't forget our challenge! It will be harder to start over later, so find some motivation before you find yourself coming back to this years later. Read or relive some of you favorite dreams, lucid or non-lucid to find some motivation and find your favorite corner of the forums here at DV that will keep LDing on your mind.

Ugh. Well here i am mr fogel.

2 months later is better than 2 years later...no worries. :) What has been going on with you?..or where would you like to go from here?