First of all thanks to both of you for replying so quickly and elaborately. That's really helpful!
Originally Posted by fogelbise
Welcome to the workbooks InnerVision!
Okay, then I hereby expect to see at least one update every week here. Set a reminder on your phone if needed.
You do have a lot of great practices on your "to do" list. If you feel like it is ever too much then at least try to keep up with one or two of your favorites until you can commit to more.
The only tweak I have for you at this point is to try the water method for WBTB so you can wake more naturally and less abruptly than is common with an alarm.
If you like podcasts, I can recommend a few for WBTB and other things.
I was actually planning on doing a daily (short) update so that'll be fine . The reason for the multitude of different techniques is that I want to go all-in this time. I really, really want to become a good lucid dreamer and I want to do whatever it takes to become that. When busy I might let go of the prospective memory tasks I think, but WBTB will be a nightly thing with as few exceptions as possible. I know about the water method but it doesn't really work that well for me from experience. I seem to wake up only when I really, really need to go to the toilet as fast as possible and that messes up my recall completely.
Originally Posted by FryingMan
Hello InnerVision, and welcome to the DILD class!
From your introduction, I'd say you have a solid foundation on daytime awareness training and good start on night-time practice. How's your recall? About how many dreams per night, how vivid, how long, do you feel "present" in those dreams, etc.?
Dream recall is very valuable for a number of reasons: maybe the single most important one is that recalling dreams is *awesome*! Even though the emphasis on DV typically focuses solely on lucid dreams, non-lucid dreams, when well-remembered, can be every bit as awesome, if not even moreso sometimes than lucid dreams. As Sageous likes to say, "some (non-lucid) dreams are fine just the way they are." And while recall can and does go up and down naturally, it is possible to recall a variety of different dreams just about every single night, if you build recall high enough. That really helps maintain motivation through lucid dry periods, or when just getting started on lucid dream practice. And the best part about recall is that it's really simple: just be consistent. Reach for recall *every* *single* *time* you wake up, no vacations from dream recall. The results are well worth it.
More than just being awesome, great dream recall gets you really familiar with the territory of your dreams. Not only in building up a list of dream signs, but in learning the "feel" of the dream state.
It is my theory that building very high awareness in the waking state together with great dream recall makes dreams very vivid on a consistent basis over time, where you really feel like "you're there." And when "you're there" in the dream, it's a fairly short step to getting lucid more and more often.
And of course, there's the reason most people initially give: "what if you're having lucid dreams and forgetting them?" I think the above reasons are more relevant, though: beginners usually remember their initial lucid dreams very clearly because they're such a special, new event. I probably didn't come close to forgetting a lucid until I'd had several dozen, the dreams started lasting longer, and I started losing lucidity or transitioning to false awakenings from the lucid dreams. Under *those* circumstances it is possible to forget a lucid, since you're not waking directly from the lucid state, and yes, having great recall can help capture those lucids "sandwiched" in between other non-lucids.
But it looks like your #1 issue hindering even better progress, which you're aware of, is consistency. I've listed building high waking awareness and great dream recall as important foundations for lucid dreaming. One of the remaining major foundations is consistency: never never never quit! The best results are achieved when you keep going without stopping. You can perhaps slow down on daytime awareness work once in a while without harm, and can take a night off of WBTB now and then (but I recommend never taking a break from dream recall!), but stopping entirely can be quite detrimental to the practice.
So I salute your renewed commitment, and to opening this class workbook as a way to hold yourself accountable! If I may suggest, why not make an additional commitment: that you will continue doing your best to practice the lucid dreaming fundamentals, every day for as much time as you can give them, for a significant period of time: say, no less than 3 months. I personally make a dedication on a yearly basis: I allow myself one day on the anniversary of my beginning lucid dreaming training where I can quit Otherwise, I must continue. Having such a dedication made to yourself is very valuable to keep yourself going.
As for journaling, I think particularly in the beginning, it is quite important, mostly because it is an additional exercise of access to dream memory, showing your subconscious that dream recall is *important* to you. Here you need to do what will work best for you, but in case it's helpful, what I do is this: in the morning, without fail, after reviewing all the dreams in the final sleep cycle (and those earlier in the night if I didn't record them earlier on my voice recorder), I write up quick summary of the night dreams in the "state your dream in one sentence" thread here on DV:
Share your dream from last night in one sentence
If I have time, I'll then hit the "copy to DJ" button and fill in the details under each of the summary lines. I like this approach because I get all the keywords recorded, in case I forget them later (if I don't have them on the voice recorder), it gets me close to doing the full journal, and gives me the pre-written outline of the full journal entries as a jog to memory when writing the full entries later. You can check that thread to see the format I use and the detail (sometimes more, sometimes less). Basically I use that as a "pre" DJ.
One more thing: you didn't mention any particular dreaming goals that you have. Coming up with some challenging but achievable goals can be a great way to maintain motivation and hold yourself accountable.
Welcome again, and let us know if you have any particular questions!
fogelbise, feel free to chime in! edit: lol, I took too long writing and you beat me to the first response, haha!
I'll answer with bullet points for a clearer overview;
- My recall is extremely dependant on the amount of sleep I get and whether I do WBTB or not. When I do recall dreams it's usually 2-4 fragments of which 2 are relatively detailed and have a clear plot and timeline. I have a hard time remembering visual details but I can mostly remember a great deal of conversations. If I journal actively for a few days I can see an increase in recall, but one day with too little sleep can result in no recall at all.
- My dream awareness is very low; I do not really feel this in the dream because I really 'go with the flow', but in my lucid moments I realised a staggering lack of detail. As soon as I realize I am dreaming, I seem to get some sort of tunnel vision and I start waking up. I do agree with you on that non-lucids can be really awesome and valuable. I think I have a relatively positive view on them as well; I don't wake up in the morning thinking "shit, only non-lucids again" or something.
- For me, the 3 key skills for lucid dreaming that I haven't yet acquired are as you say consistency, waking awareness but also confidence. I can tell myself a thousand times that I will lucid dream tonight, I will never actually believe it unless there is some reason that 'proves' it if you know what I mean. I think that with working on the first two I can increase the third naturally and that is what I am trying to do now.
- It is indeed important to set some goal in the sense of time. 3 months is a good idea. Any longer won't help me I think, instead it might evoke a mindset of 'pfff I still have x months to go'.
- Since I will be departing on holiday tomorrow, I will only have access to my cellphone for a week. I will journal directly onto this site. Doing it immediately after waking up will help to keep my mind on dreaming. I will keep it brief but that is a good thing because if I start too enthousiastically and elaborately I know I will not keep it up.
- My non-lucid dreaming goal is for my mantra-situations to actually appear in my dreams. My lucid dreaming goal is to actually stabilize and be lucid for more than a minute.
Thanks to you both again, I'm really glad I started this
Innervision
EDIT: Today's progress:
I set some prospective memory goals. I missed 2 but caught 3 other targets. I think I reality checked approximately 10 times so far.
Yesterday was a really busy day and I went to bed at 1 am so I have no recall. Upon waking up there were a couple names and locations playing through my head but nothing I thought was worth jotting down.
Today I will stop doing intensive things from 7:45 pm, then doing a small 10 minute workout at 9:15 pm, 15 minutes of meditation from 9:30 - 9:45 pm and finally go to sleep between 9:45 and 10:30 pm (I generally take 30 minutes to fall asleep).
I will have a soft alarm set for 5:00 am. The tone of the alarm is a 1 minute recording of my own voice saying 'I am dreaming'....'this is a dream'....'reality check'....'I am dreaming'. This alarm will go off every 5 minutes between 5:00 and 5:15 am. If I wake up I will journal, if I don't I hope it infests itself in my dreams (usually I just wake up though).
|
|
Bookmarks