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      For about the last 3 weeks, I've been having very poor dream recall due to being busy. Before, I was recalling 3-6 dreams a night with vivid detail but lately I've been barely remembering a few short fragmented dreams if any at all.

      So, this morning I woke up and couldn't remember a single dream again. I figured it was just another poor night but the kids weren't up yet. I was still a bit tired so I just laid in bed. After about 5 minutes, I remembered a tiny dream fragment about updating some spreadsheet. That little fragment must have jogged my memory because it lead to me remembering 3 long dreams and one very vivid dream. Then I also remembered that I was lucid in 2 of those! One mildly lucid and one very lucid where I could even remember a task I wanted to do. What the heck! I went from remembering nothing at all and was about to just shrug it off as another poor night to remembering 2 lucid dreams!

      Up until this point I was under the impression that if I had a lucid dream I would remember it because I was lucid. Now I know it is easy to forget even very lucid dreams. This also makes me think I've probably had a few lucids that I forgot due to not recalling them. Ugh I think my brain is trolling me. Time to work on dream recall again.
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      ^^ Yes it is quite possible that recall of lucid dreams doesn't "scream out" at you every time, and you have to work to remember them as well. This happens especially when you lose lucidity during the LD and continue on dreaming non-lucidly before waking up, and/or go through one or more complete sleep cycles after the cycle the LD was in if you don't wake and recall immediately.

      There is a large benefit to giving recall a decent amount of time in the morning before getting up -- sometimes you just have to reach and reach and associate and keep relaxing and wait for those memories to start rolling in, good job!

      Time to work on dream recall again
      Always! Never stop. Recall requires constant work.
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      Yep that's what happened. In the mildly lucid dream, I lost lucidity and I just continued with a non-lucid dream. For the very lucid dream, I did wake up or it was a FA. Once I woke up I remembered I wanted to try DEILD so I did that but once I came back into the dream I wasn't lucid anymore.

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      This is why you'll see in the very experienced LDers DJs from time to time where they wake themselves up so they can journal a particularly awesome LD. For those of us still working on getting consistent frequency/longer LDs this seems inconceivable (wake yourself up from a LD *on purpose*!?!?) but now you can see how it's possible to forget them.
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      I saw that mentioned in a few threads and I thought it was a bit odd. I thought they were just being cocky saying that they get so many LDs they cant remember them all. lol But I see it's actually pretty easy to forget them. It's like having a busy day and forgetting what you did in the morning.

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      Week 7 Update:
      First time having 2 lucid dreams in one night! Too bad those are the only lucid dreams lately.

      Continuing with:
      RCs throughout the day
      MILD before bed and after awakings during the night (I've been using my dream signs in my MILDs here which seems to be really helpful)
      On good nights I'll add in WBTB + SSILD (good nights have become rare lately)
      Recording any recalls in the morning

      I'm going to work a bit extra on recalls now after the other night.

      Can someone explain what an epic is or point me to a description? I see people mention these a lot on different threads and it seems very vague to me. It just seems like they have a long vivid dream. That seems pretty normal with good recall but maybe I'm just don't understand what they mean by epic.
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      Congrats on your first time with two lucids in one night!! Count those milestones and take pride!

      Everyone may have a slightly different definition, but to me an epic is one of those dreams where you wake up smiling ear to ear and it usually involves a fairly lengthy amount of dream time or is at least a very significant dream. For a non-lucid, after an epic, you would think to yourself "Wow, non-lucids can be just as awesome reliving the memories of the dream as many lucids." For a lucid epic, it's the same sort of thing, includes the above factors and it will be a dream that "sticks with you" (but so can the non lucid epics). Does that help at all? Let me know if not.
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      To me epic means a dream that is particularly long, vivid [both visually and awareness-wise], coherent, a real "I was there" experience with interactions, observations, reactions. In my experience epics take both great recall and high awareness. It does not require full lucidity, although in my experience they tend to be partially or semi-lucid. These are the sorts of dreams you wake from saying "OMG!" in awe from the experience.
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      Thanks guys! Definitely a better description of epics!

      Also, I had another lucid last night so I hit another milestone. First time having two nights with lucids in less than a one week!
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      Woohoo I love "hot weeks," congrats
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      Week 8 Update:

      Good start to the week with a lucid using the WBTB + SSILD method. But the rest of the week has been taking care of sick kids and now I'm sick. I'm keeping up the RCs and recalls but not a whole lot of energy for anything else.

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      Congrats on the SSILD success! Dialing it down a little, especially when sick is not a bad thing...just remember to ramp it back up when you are feeling better...to ensure that the more lax approach doesn't become permanent.

      Edit: I commented a little more on your DJ/blog. Nice LD!
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      Which one is more useful long term practice?
      -Writing short one line descriptions of each dream remembered (basically just the major parts to jog the memory of the whole dream)
      -Writing everything possible about ever dream remembered (sometimes multiple pages for one dream)

      I'm kind of torn between both of these right now. I feel writing everything down is useful and seems to help my recall but it can also become very time consuming. Writing short one liners seems enough for me to remember the whole dream but some details I still forget. Maybe I'll just do a mix of them. Short when I'm lazy or don't have the time and long when I do have the time and energy. Any thoughts on this?

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      I'm a hazy dude in the morning and if i have a flash of memory I need to chase it all the way down the rabbit hole. When i'm in the recall groove there's a certain amount of patience and calm to it, like I need to stay focused on what i can remember and not get nervous or freak out because the associations will come. Recall is a little bit like stabilization in that respect. You need to have the focus there but you can't be trying too hard or you'll chase the memories away.

      To counterpoint though, on a good dream with a big DJ entry, sometimes i can just look at the title and relive the sucker in my memory..
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      Yes you sometimes really need to stay with it and be very patient and let those associations fire. I tend to be a bit stubborn about recall, when I *know* I have some memories right there on the edge of remembering I'll stay with it a long time.
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      That's typically what I've been doing. I give it about 5mins or so for a dream fragment to pop up and then I normally follow the storyline backwards. I've been running into a issue lately though where while waiting too long for a dream fragment to come up I fall back asleep. So if after about 5mins I still can't recall anything I just shrug it off as no recalls. That's probably not the most effective way to improve recall but I normally have stuff I need to do in the morning.

      This might not have been clear in that question I was asking. But it was more about how important is it to record everything you recall. I normally try to mentally recall everything I can but I'm not always up to writing it all down.

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      Second month recap
      This is what I have recorded in my journal.
      Dreams recalled: 78 (I'm actually surprised I recalled more this month than last considering 3 weeks this month I wasn't really trying much)
      Lucid dreams: 3 - DILD

      Current Practice:
      Daytime - Throughout the day, I check my surroundings to see if I can notice something dreamlike. Then I will do 1 or 2 of my RCs: check text to see if it changes, check my hands to see if they are normal, pinch my nose and try to breath, and/or think about what I was doing 15mins ago.

      Night/Morning- Before bed, I drink some water, take a 50mg b6 vitamin and/or eat a banana. Then right before sleep and after any awaking's in the night, I repeat the intention 'I realize when I am dreaming' and visualize myself in a dream seeing one of my dream signs and saying 'I'm dreaming!'. When I'm not too busy or tired, I will do a WBTB + SSILD during one of my natural awaking's through out the night. Then I record any other dreams sometime in morning.

      SSILD- (This is what I recorded in my journal that last time it got me lucid) WBTB (10-15mins) not drowsy before laying down again. Lay on my back. Calming breath trick while repeating my intention above with visuals (5 times). Quick cycles a couple seconds for each sense (4 times). Longer cycles keep lengthening the time each cycle to about 30-45sec a sense each cycle (5-6 times). Then roll over and get comfortable and 2 more cycles in new position. Then calming breath trick while repeating my intention above with visuals again. Less than 30mins to fall asleep.

      Extra- 1-2 hours of meditation a day.

      Aspiration:
      Continuous practice without being too frustrated by not getting desired results

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      ^^ Those are some great results! And a great practice.

      For managing frustration: it's good to have specific, achievable goals that are just a bit of a stretch for you. Having dreaming goals is also highly advisable. But avoiding "dreaming performance anxiety" is crucial: a happy, confident mindset will promote progress, while anxiety and frustration can keep you stalled or worse. Like everything in this discipline, you must strike a balance between keeping up the energy and enthusiasm while avoiding frustration or disappointment.
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      I actually haven't been frustrated at all but then again it has only been 2 months. The point by that aspiration was for me to continue just enjoying this practice and letting it develop at its own pace. I don't really want to set goals. I know can be useful for some people but I don't like to use them any more. I just want to point myself in the right direction, keep going, and see what happens!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zachlew View Post
      I actually haven't been frustrated at all but then again it has only been 2 months. The point by that aspiration was for me to continue just enjoying this practice and letting it develop at its own pace. I don't really want to set goals. I know can be useful for some people but I don't like to use them any more. I just want to point myself in the right direction, keep going, and see what happens!
      That is a lot like the approach I took and I especially think that the "just enjoying this practice and letting it develop at its own pace" is an especially healthy and effective mindset for lucid dreaming long term! Nice! On your recall question several posts back, I see nothing wrong with your plan to mix up full and brief entries, especially if it helps with keeping this going at your own pace. I do recommend that you continue to try to recall as much as you can at least some of the time.
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      I entirely concur with the "work at it, see where it goes, enjoy the journey" approach. Especially when it leads to a happy, relaxed mindset. But just once more let me say that having some concrete tasks that you're excited about doing in a LD, and can spend some time visualizing about, can really help lucidity along via building expectation. See for example the task of the month threads, that's a great example of what I'm talking about.

      http://www.dreamviews.com/tasks-mont...ne-2015-a.html
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      Thanks for the input guys! I may try some of the tasks. Not necessarily as a goal that I have to accomplish but more of something fun thing to try when lucid. I like that one of summoning a house that represents myself. That sounds kind of fun.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zachlew View Post
      I actually haven't been frustrated at all but then again it has only been 2 months. The point by that aspiration was for me to continue just enjoying this practice and letting it develop at its own pace. I don't really want to set goals. I know can be useful for some people but I don't like to use them any more. I just want to point myself in the right direction, keep going, and see what happens!
      Love this attitude!
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      Week 10 Update:
      I missed an update last week but there's not much to mention. I'm keeping going with RCs and recalls. I've been so busy lately this seems to be the only thing I have time for. I haven't even done one WBTB in last 2 weeks. Once things slow down at work, I'll do more with this practice. For now, I'll just keep up with what I can and then add in more later.

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      Week 12 Update:
      I'm still doing my RC's and recalls. Life has been a bit crazy lately. I haven't been writing many recalls down in my journal and when I do it's only been a little one sentence summary. I haven't even been getting the time to do intentions before bed and I haven't done one WBTB this month! lol I just crash every night and then I'm woken up suddenly in the morning/night to get going again. It seems like every week I'm hoping things will calm down but it seems like it just gets even more chaotic than the week before. I'm still going to keep going with what I can but I don't think I'm going to be making any noticeable progress until things clam down. I did have one lucid over the weekend at least
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