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      First of all, congratulations on the lucids!

      Quote Originally Posted by RelaxAndDream View Post
      i feel like i have less time then some years ago? but maybe its a thing of focus and motivation/dedication. i am happy with the amount i am investing but i wanted to post here days ago and just had the quiet moment now... years ago i would make me the time every day so will have to see if i have enough time for a regular convo with someone.
      Well, whatever you come up with you are always welcome to get feedback here in the workbook or PM me. I do see Sensei post on DV from time to time as well.

      interesting... i might try something like this...
      Also, some people also just call out to the dream (up in the sky or whatever fits your schemas).

      i had some more tries. in one of them a woman told me "we are all acid [säure in german] and everyone has its purpose" i asked: Acid? you mean soul [seele] and she just looked disappointed/angry at me so i moved on. in another one a guy just showed me with one hand a hole and moved with his index finger of the other hand in a repeating motion in and out of the hole if you know what i mean... i tried to kick him he tried to kick me and i got a bad feeling about the dream/him/the situation so i run away...
      i tried it also with a good friend i have if she could help me.. there was also some semi deep talk that after waking was fragmented and i dont know if there was deeper sense in it...

      will keep on trying...
      Some promising stuff from the woman and your friend. Looking at these experiences as promising should help to seed more promising and useful interactions with DCs in the future.


      this morning i managed to get lucid and doing a totm... i just did like 3 or 4 rounds of short ssild and then focused on mantra shortly and instantly fall asleep... so really not a lot of time or effort invested but thats what i mean i start to get a feeling how much focus intention you need to invest. i think you dont need 100 repetitions of mantra or 10 ssild cycles, you just need intention what you want to do and then last thought should stay with it before you fall asleep... maybe
      Yes, if that feels right to you, I am confident that will work for you. Sometimes you may need more repetitions to set that intention properly and other times you get to it quicker. I do something similar but often go a little longer "to be sure" but usually that is because my intention is drifting and needs to be reset on course.

      And? did you do? how is your practice, are you happy with your effort and the outcome?
      1. I started to and then remembered I was reviewing my personal past practices and switched to back to that since lucid dreaming is very much about finding your own path...much less of a cookie cutter method than we like to think. But that source material can remind you what was working for you before and give you new ideas to experiment with. I find that trying new things keeps it from getting boring.

      2. If you asked me a few weeks ago, I would have said that I wasn't happy with my results lately. More recently though, I am quite happy with them and the amount of effort. A few weeks ago I was still slacking way too much and now I seem to be putting better effort into lucid dreaming and seem to be getting my good results back. I don't like to become over confident though - that seems to backfire for me personally - mainly because it causes me to slack or think that I don't need to put in much effort.


      thank you guys for your input!
      You're welcome! I think FM may be away momentarily and it may take him a little longer to reply.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RelaxAndDream View Post
      this one is really good i remembering doing it some years ago with pretty big impact on my recall. but it needs quite some time (30-45min when i do it in max detail) and is a way of meditation on its own because you often often loose track and need to refocus... i found it pretty timeconsuming because i also wanted to meditate in the evening back then... maybe i try it in a lighter more relaxed way less detailed... i will keep it in the back of my head... so far i make good progress and dont want to give 110% again...^^
      You don't have to do the whole day (although the more time one spends on this, the better, I'd think). What I sometimes do is make special note of a few/several moments and specifically intend to review those in the evening.

      how do you connect with your dreams very closely?...
      It's a combination of factors and practices: intending strongly to pay attention to and remember dream experiences. Being thankful for and valuing your dreams, especially non-lucid ones. Developing a practice of reaching for recall immediately upon waking. Realizing fully that you do dream, a lot, every night. Having full confidence and expectation that you will remember your dreams at length and in great detail. Having great, consistent dream recall is a sign that you've established such a connection...
      FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
      FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
      “No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
      "...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS

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      sofar i am back on a similar level as before... that was faster then expected... if i dont need to get up early i just go for sleep i dont go too much for recall in first half of night. its enough to recall anything to go for lucidity (MILD) in second half... the last several tries i always got lucid when i tried. i combine SSILD with MILD. i think about what i want to do then i do some short SSILD cycles to calm down and focus my mind then i turn on my side when i feel that i fall asleep soon (noticing slight hypnagogia) and say my mantra or one or two more cycles. this needs not too much time or effort but nevertheless i really need to want to be lucid and know what i want to do with it. sofar (probably because i am not very long in training again) i dont get spontaneous lucids. so effort to lucidity rate is good...

      so i had a talk with someone that led me to the conclusion that i slowly step by step need to get trust in my DC`s before i might get proper answers. similar with phasing you dont just run thru a wall first time but fist you do just a hand than maybe backwards thru a wall until you step by step loose the schemata that walls are solid after some time its no problem and second nature....
      so with this in mind i decided not to want THE solution and a dreamguide or help or anything from a DC but i set the goal to be nice to my DCs and just have a proper talk. not a good or a useful or something like this talk (again a lot of evaluation and expectation) but just some random talk with DC´s.
      and what should i say it was very very nice... recall was not too good because of several DEILDS (for some reason after a waking with little movement i remembered a talk with a friend of mine who told me she can go to the toilet and back and dream same dream because she holds to the feeling so i just calmly waited and had several DEILDS in that night) but it was nice to be good to my DC´s and treat them with respect and be friendly without expectation.

      sadly this nights lucid i wanted to ask if they might teach / i might learn something from them but for some reason i got stuck in old habit... i asked a DC that looked like a friend if he can help me he just talked a lot of stuff (seemed not to be interesting ... again this expectation and evaluation :/) then i was running away asked into the sky for help started nearly crying... asked god for help (i am not religious...) then got angry and was running again. i saw some plants on the ground (i was looking for any sign). they had different colors and i thought each plant is for an element or a characteristic. i ate the one next to yellow because for me yellow was sun and fire. it was sour but i didnt saw an effect... after that i was running away from some mafia guys draw a portal (didnt do that for quite some time) and entered into the void. there again i asked for help or guidance or something like that (cant remember exact wording) and nothing there. false awakening shortly awake...
      this dream was "sad" because i was so desperate...

      it seems like i try to hard and cant wait for proper signs or an outcome or just see what happens...

      i think i will try again with just talking to DC´s without any specific theme or expectation. it felt very good... on the other hand it is a goal that is vague so i see the problem of loosing lucidity or atleast higher awareness to medium awareness and i dont know when i complete task so i can do something else... but yea its all about small steps maybe the one and only goal to just befriend and get to know DC´s might be goal enough for a lucid...

      plus i really enjoyed the let a DC sing you a song TOTM... maybe i will try to listen to some of my favorite music in a lucid - i have radiohead in my mind... should make an interesting feeling also...

      so atleast two basic totms are done... i think i will try also an advanced one... how with you fogelbise. have you seen the tasks? maybe you also do one of them? would like to read one from you

      i also writed charles. this might get a good dreambuddy. will see

      @FM:
      i will try not to forget... i might try it before falling asleep... but i think i need to experiment... i think its not about the major points in the day it is all about remembering with as much detail and as few gaps as possible to have a benefit on recall or what do you think? like its better to do last hour or so with max detail instead of half or all day with just the major points?
      just a thought...

      to the connect with your dreams... i reach out for recall most of the time and its getting better but i dont know if this is enough to really connect to my dreams... i feel like even tho i value them and i am into lucid dreaming nevertheless subcon. they are "just" dreams to me. some of them are interesting to see they have meaning but i think most of them is random noise... and that again is bad bad thinking but i dont know how to change it

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      @FM:
      i will try not to forget... i might try it before falling asleep... but i think i need to experiment... i think its not about the major points in the day it is all about remembering with as much detail and as few gaps as possible to have a benefit on recall or what do you think? like its better to do last hour or so with max detail instead of half or all day with just the major points?
      just a thought...
      As always, it's all about what works for you. The point I'm trying to get across is that the more purposeful attention you can bring to your present moment, whether in the waking or dreaming state, the more vivid both the experience will be and the memory of the experience. The point of the review is having reaching for memories of prior experiences be a twice-daily occurrence: at least once in the waking day [e.g., in the evening before bed], and at least once in the morning after the dreaming night (or every time you wake up, if you like).

      I think reaching back for memories from all through the day is very valuable. Especially establishing particular points you want to remember, perhaps using a mnemonic system. This helps you remember specific things in lucid dreams that you really want to make sure you recall upon waking.

      "Connecting" is about the recall, the attitude, and the intention to make dreaming a purposeful part of your life. Having high dream recall is a sign of a strong connection.
      FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
      FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
      “No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
      "...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS

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      Hi @RelaxandDream! I just read the last 4 posts in here. I figured it would be a good thing to try to keep up. I want to go back and review the earlier posts too, just didn't want to take on too much at once.

      2 things I wanted to comment on:

      waking life recall taking time

      I have this too. Last night I did like 3,000 words of waking life recall. I wanted to be super, super thorough. Actually I had to finish it the next morning I was so thorough. I want to do a super, super thorough waking life recall. I think it will show me that if my waking life recall takes like 3 hours, maybe I need to simplify things somehow. I want to keep doing it because like @FryingMan said I want to have more clarity of mind, even just in waking life.

      reading my own DJ

      Ya. This one is big for me. And I'm not doing it!! I don't know where to find the time. I used to put my dreams as mp3 files and then listen back instead of radio in the car. but lately I'm trying not to use any audio at all while I'm doing tasks, just focus more. And alot of my reading time is stuff... other than my own dreams. IDK how to force myself to want to read my own dreams again. I write them, and recall them, but I feel like that's it. I feel like reviewing my own DJ gave me a better connection to my dreams. I think everyone's dreams have a specific feel so reviewing our own is different than reading others. Thats also the thing I am reading others DJ's but not my own. I don't know how to manage this.

      Also, do you keep your dream journal online anywhere? I'll check your profile but I didn't use to see it. I'd like to read your dreams if you have them up. Hopefully I'm not taking on too much activities.
      Here is what I am up to in the dream world!
      https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/charles3/

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