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      No, I'd move on, but again, I'd keep a set of 4 active targets, some of which I'd be almost sure to encounter, some of which are less likely. It's really not very important to follow precise rules. The main thing is to get your goal-seeking center turned on throughout the day, with thinking about dreaming at least on the back burner a lot of the time. Make up your own practice, there's no reason to stick only to LaBerge, it's just a starting place.
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      I have built a google doc table and i'm adding a list of targets... the goal then is to organize by category and then i can just drag and drop a new list into my email before i start my day. i had a good epic dream last night, a wbtb (natural style, glad you taught me how to do that) and a couple of false awakenings after milding before bed.
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      so i'm building a list of targets and morning time for me is writing a few down to keep in mind over the course of the day. memory is big too. I've been getting better at that dream memory "spark" where there's nothing then all of a sudden it all starts flowing in... nothing since the early part of may yet but my intention is to get lucid before july starts. I plan to wbtb 2-3 times a week, keep working on my memory, prospective and recall, and work on intention and goals for inside of the dream doing visualization whenever i do reality checks. I know i'm going to make this shit happen. I've hit some really great LD streaks in the past, when i find my rhythm (it's my least favorite word to spell) it's going to slide into place.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tblanco View Post
      so i'm building a list of targets and morning time for me is writing a few down to keep in mind over the course of the day. memory is big too. I've been getting better at that dream memory "spark" where there's nothing then all of a sudden it all starts flowing in... nothing since the early part of may yet but my intention is to get lucid before july starts. I plan to wbtb 2-3 times a week, keep working on my memory, prospective and recall, and work on intention and goals for inside of the dream doing visualization whenever i do reality checks. I know i'm going to make this shit happen. I've hit some really great LD streaks in the past, when i find my rhythm (it's my least favorite word to spell) it's going to slide into place.
      You example has sparked a renewed interest in PM exercises! I set a few the other day: some I hit, and some I missed. Having daily PM targets, even if it is a repeated day-long target ("every time ...."), helps keep that important goal-seeking center activated.

      It's a great idea to have concrete goals. I find goals like "I want to get lucid by <date>" or "I want to have <N> lucid dreams per week" are not effective for me. But goals like the TOTM club, and plans of doing very specific things in a lucid dream, are highly effective. Some of my all-time favorite LDs came from active TOTM goals, and performing those goals in sequence helped maintain the dream, keeping it vivid, and giving me something to look forward to doing next. Typically, as soon as I run out of "things to do," I will wake soon thereafter.

      That's great that you've been successful with improving your recall. It's important to schedule enough time after waking to let those sparks fire and the memories to flow in. I had a nice recall morning this morning that started off with a blank slate, and I was sort of bummed, but finally ended up recalling 7-8 scenes from multiple wakings over the course of the night.
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      saw this comment from Sivason and i'm making it my main LD goal... Also, Stabilizing the dream and flying.

      What was a powerful training routine for me, was to have only this one primary goal, and keep going this until it is not too hard.

      Dream Goal: Stop and try to remember where you are sleeping. Then what were you doing at bedtime. Then what phase of your life you are in, such as retired, in summer school, recently involved in a new relationship.

      It is not as shiny as flying to another planet, but as goals that lead to better LDing this is what I suggest.
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      Quote Originally Posted by FryingMan View Post

      That's great that you've been successful with improving your recall. It's important to schedule enough time after waking to let those sparks fire and the memories to flow in. I had a nice recall morning this morning that started off with a blank slate, and I was sort of bummed, but finally ended up recalling 7-8 scenes from multiple wakings over the course of the night.
      memory really is a muscle, and it's tied to patience.
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      I'm emailing this to myself to review before bed.

      JUNE'S BEGINNER TASKS: (Anybody feel free to have fun with these, but you'll get wings only if you are a beginner. Some will change each month!)
      Dream Goal: Stop and try to remember where you are sleeping. Then what were you doing at bedtime. Then what phase of your life you are in,
      1. Slow down, look around, describe what you see.
      2. Touch the ground. What is it? Grass, asphalt?
      3. Look at your body. What are you wearing?
      4. Find a DC and shake their hand.
      5. Run your hands through your hair. How does it feel?
      6. Find text you can read, then look at it again. Has it changed?
      7. Cross your eyes and stare at the tip of your nose.
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      i've been setting an active target of going from outside to inside and i'm missing it over and over lol
      i notice like 5 minutes after that i was supposed to be triggered then i check
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      Quote Originally Posted by tblanco View Post
      i've been setting an active target of going from outside to inside and i'm missing it over and over lol
      i notice like 5 minutes after that i was supposed to be triggered then i check

      No hits yet but i keep working. Trying to stay dedicated to a limited number of things.
      RC plus prospective memory tests
      Dream Journal
      Mild intentions
      Visualisation and imagination of lucidity - getting that excited feeling in the chest.

      I’m also meditating daily and yoga a couple times a week, but that’s for me more than for the lucidity. It should be helping but it’s a seperateish thing.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tblanco View Post
      No hits yet but i keep working. Trying to stay dedicated to a limited number of things.
      I like this plan in order to avoid getting burned out while you build back up your practice.

      Are you still doing WBTBs 2-3 times a week? If you are doing WBTBs, do they involve getting out of bed (if you can get back to sleep reliably) and for how long?

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      Quote Originally Posted by fogelbise View Post
      I like this plan in order to avoid getting burned out while you build back up your practice.

      Are you still doing WBTBs 2-3 times a week? If you are doing WBTBs, do they involve getting out of bed (if you can get back to sleep reliably) and for how long?
      I haven't been getting out of bed, though this week i've had a sick kid who's getting up to vomit. I have gotten out of bet for that but i wasn't thinking of LD. I have people i share a bed with so i can't do the alarm, so i either incubate an internal alarm (which has proven successful) or i just go to sleep. One thing i've been doing is writing down 15 times a day at various times (i will have multiple lucid dreams tonight) to keep up intention and to inspire visualization. yesterday i was painting with my kid at what USED to be our kitchen table and i took one of those pages and painted a beach scene i daydream about LD teleporting to. When i think about it, i try to get the full 360 panoramic, including sounds of waves and gulls and the feel of wet sand in my feet and the wind and the salty smell of the ocean. the shimmer on the water from the sun, the squinting, the heat on my skin.

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      So fogel, you think i should be getting out of bed? can you give me tips on my wbtb procedure?
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      Yes, if you are able to reliably go back to sleep after getting up, then i would get up and experiment with how long you stay up. Getting up during WBTB will wake your brain up more and thus increase your chances of becoming lucid. If you do awareness work while up, that also increases your chances. I'd save these "full" WBTBs for times when you can sleep in, at least while you are still experimenting with how awake you can get and still go back to sleep relatively easily.

      I like the detail you use in visualizing your beach scene with all the senses.

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      Quote Originally Posted by fogelbise View Post
      Yes, if you are able to reliably go back to sleep after getting up, then i would get up and experiment with how long you stay up. Getting up during WBTB will wake your brain up more and thus increase your chances of becoming lucid. If you do awareness work while up, that also increases your chances. I'd save these "full" WBTBs for times when you can sleep in, at least while you are still experimenting with how awake you can get and still go back to sleep relatively easily.

      I like the detail you use in visualizing your beach scene with all the senses.
      5 minute wbtb
      Got up walked around
      Sensory work
      Big time memory of my dream
      Lay back down
      Visualize back in the same dream
      Mantra “i will have many lucids tonight”
      Lay on my back for a long time
      Eventually roll over and go to sleep
      Wake up paralyzed on a beach
      Lucid
      Frozen
      All i can move is my eyes

      I feel the sand, i hear the water, i look around with my eyes
      I remember i’m in my bed asleep
      Fade to black.
      I think about dield but can’t hold still


      BIG WIN
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      Quote Originally Posted by tblanco View Post
      5 minute wbtb
      Got up walked around
      Sensory work
      Big time memory of my dream
      Lay back down
      Visualize back in the same dream
      Mantra “i will have many lucids tonight”
      Lay on my back for a long time
      Eventually roll over and go to sleep
      Wake up paralyzed on a beach
      Lucid
      Frozen
      All i can move is my eyes

      I feel the sand, i hear the water, i look around with my eyes
      I remember i’m in my bed asleep
      Fade to black.
      I think about dield but can’t hold still


      BIG WIN
      Congratulations Tony! Great work - keep it up! And you got the beach too!

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      I've had a slight lapse in motivation as work and family has consumed me. I successfully have been meditating and dream journaling but the day work has lapsed. Today is a good day. I woke up and set goals. I have a plan.
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      This morning i woke up a few minutes before my alarm went off and I put my head back down and was halfway back in my dream. It was this un formed thing where a couple of the elements were floating in space, i was able to do a few things in a groggy half lucid state but i didn't quite go back to sleep. Several of my successful LDs from the past were in that DEILD area of waking up and shutting back down.
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      1 minute long LD last night. I took off a scarf, felt a breeze on my face and went flying briefly. It was very good.
      I’m doing wbtb and mild 3-4 times a week right now
      Taking b6 at bedtime and a little galantamine 1-2 times a week
      Interesting development for resetting my intention for prospective memory
      “Next time i see my hands i will do a reality check” and then i do it, and then i reset the intention
      Then when i wbtb, i’ll meditate for several minutes, then use “next time i see my hands i will do a reality check” for my mantra
      Then roll over and go to sleep
      So far one success
      Another thing, I’m deliberately taking days off during the week from day work and night work (i keep journaling tho)
      This is to prevent burnout.
      One hit. Let’s keep working!!
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      Awesome, keep it up. Finally got a good long night of sleep and it was full of detailed dreams with emotional and visual detailed presence. No lucidity, though.
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      couple of things here - I've had 3 successful LD's this July so far. Loving it. making progress. I"m tracking my attempts, what methods, what timing, supplements, dream recall, quality etc.

      Nunber of dreams remembered
      On a 5 point scale
      Time of bed
      Time of awakening
      Supplements taken
      Day work
      Medidtation
      MILD
      What position i wake up, what position i fall asleep

      also, i'm taking days off a couple of days a week to prevent burnout. and you can see through my history in this thread, this is a necessary thing.
      Next on the agenda is to get some stability and control in this dreamworld...
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      Great job Tony! Great you are keeping records also.
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      2 LDs this weekend, I've been stacking techniques - I do a simple Day intention for Reality check... then WBTB + galantamine 8mg twice a week (3-4 days a part).

      I think the biggest thing that's been adding to my success is that i've specifically taken off 2 days a week (no more than 2-3 days of practice in a row) to keep from burnout...

      newest goals now are have longer dreams/remember goals (STABALIZE) and to get back on that DEILD train (CHOO CHOO M-FWORD)
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      Very nice! Everyone has to find what works for them so that sounds like a good plan to keep practices up long term.

      Galantamine (8mg) has almost always had a great effect for me. I always combine it with choline bitartrate (500mg).
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      Great work, Tony! Keep it up. Every time I've gotten back to sleep on galantamine, the dreams have been super vivid and very present (and I've gotten lucid every time pretty much).
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      2 big LD's Last night

      1000 bedtime
      1:30 first wake up
      300 second wake up
      540 woke up for good
      4 dreams
      2 LDs. One high quality non lucid, 1 FA
      Day work (reality checks and prospective memory excercises), pre bed meditation, post wbtb meditation, MILD
      8 mg galantimine

      I’m at my brother’s house for some kind of a family function, maybe a wedding.. Wood paneled shelves covered in old books but when i look closer they are boxes of food. I do a nose pinch and I’m dreaming. I start walking through the house and find a huge turkey leg and I take a big bite out of it. I chew it up and it tastes like turkey. I grab a box of cake mix off a shelf and rip the top off of it. I pour the powder into my hands and form a cake with magical powers. I try to find icing but only find an icing powder packet. I dust the cake with icing powder and splash it with water hoping it will become icing. Doesn’t work, so i eat take a bite of the cake before it gets soggy. Good yellow cake, soft moist. Wake up.

      Back awake find my journal and start writing things down.. notice it’s the wrong notebook and I wake up..

      I mild and try to imagine myself back in an earlier dream where i was on the deck of a yacht, but end up back in the house where I was cooking. I am around a pile of presents with a couple of kids and I try to do the trick with the box again but it’s just a pile of powder, I wake up quickly.
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      Great job, Tony! I had success with MILD (first time in a while I've tried it) after WBTB just the other night.
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