Thread: ThreeCat's WILD/DILD Workbook

Wow, really impressive, congrats! The longest LD I had was somewhere I think around 40 minutes as best I could figure, but was very low awareness, probably dipping into and out of lucidity along the way. It's really interesting that many dreamers feel strongly to share/convince the DCs around that this is a dream. The few times I do share this with DCs, the response is usually "really?! Cool!", I haven't had to work hard to convince anybody yet .

Thanks, FryingMan! I want to gently move in the direction of transforming DCs, as opposed to trying to convince them that we're dreaming

It's really interesting that many dreamers feel strongly to share/convince the DCs around that this is a dream.

I think it's part of our social behavior, and a habit from waking life: "Did you see that!???" "What do you think?" "Let me tell you about what happened to me!" I would like to start breaking some of that down.

Very nice ThreeCat - a big congrats to you on getting back to lengthy lucid dreaming!!

Many times I don't want to confront my demons either but I have done it from time to time. I can't think of anything profound I have learned from confronting ominous figures, but eliminating them quickly has very little to learn from the scenario other than to not be so quick to judge/act…easier said than done of course. Well maybe theres a semi-profound one to share...there was one ominous figure that was empty when I opened up it's coat and I took that to signify that there is nothing to fear but fear itself…fear being the hollow shell of an ominous figure in that case.

But back to you TC - You are on the path!!

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Thanks, FryingMan! I want to gently move in the direction of transforming DCs, as opposed to trying to convince them that we're dreaming



I think it's part of our social behavior, and a habit from waking life: "Did you see that!???" "What do you think?" "Let me tell you about what happened to me!" I would like to start breaking some of that down.

Hah, I had a huge night last night with multiple LDs and in the first one the first thing I did was tell my friend sitting with me that I'm dreaming and asking him what he wanted to do . He didn't respond though so I just left him and went on.

there was one ominous figure that was empty when I opened up it's coat and I took that to signify that there is nothing to fear but fear itself…fear being the hollow shell of an ominous figure in that case.

That sounds pretty profound to me, and true, too. Did you notice it have any effect on how you handle fears during your daily life?

Hah, I had a huge night last night with multiple LDs and in the first one the first thing I did was tell my friend sitting with me that I'm dreaming and asking him what he wanted to do . He didn't respond though so I just left him and went on.

Congrats to you, FryingMan! I noticed you'd posted in your workbook so I knew something was up. Glad you had a fun night. I will make sure to mosey on over to your workbook and leave some fresh comments! "You can dream if you want to, you can leave your friend behind..."

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That sounds pretty profound to me, and true, too. Did you notice it have any effect on how you handle fears during your daily life?

I think lucid dreaming overall has made me less afraid. I sometimes wonder if I have the right amount of healthy fear in the sense of not being too careless…not that I ignore obviously dangerous situations. I also read a research article talking about lucid dreamers that addressed this same idea not too long ago. Our conversation inspired me to confront a dark ominous hall in my dream last night, but nothing interesting came out.

"You can dream if you want to, you can leave your friend behind..."

Ah..Safety Dance by Men Without Hats! Great, catchy song!

I sometimes wonder if I have the right amount of healthy fear in the sense of not being too careless…not that I ignore obviously dangerous situations.

Sometimes I think these folks are alarmists. I also think that, in my guts, if a tiger charged into the room, I'm going to know the difference between a WL tiger and a dream tiger. That's my feeling, anyway. I would like to read that article, though, if you can remember where you found it.

Our conversation inspired me to confront a dark ominous hall in my dream last night, but nothing interesting came out.

That's cool, man. Fearlessness for the win. I'm going to have to catch up on reading your DJ. What have you been up to, dreamwise, lately?

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Sometimes I think these folks are alarmists. I also think that, in my guts, if a tiger charged into the room, I'm going to know the difference between a WL tiger and a dream tiger. That's my feeling, anyway. I would like to read that article, though, if you can remember where you found it.

I don't know how valid the research article is, and it certainly didn't dissuade me, but I found it: Lucid dreams: their advantage and disadvantage in the frame of search activity concept The abstract may give you all you really need to know, but the full article is free.

That's cool, man. Fearlessness for the win. I'm going to have to catch up on reading your DJ. What have you been up to, dreamwise, lately?

I feel like I am in a very good place dreamwise. My DV DJ is in need of another update. I need to at least add some recent highlights. It has been over a month since I have added anything to it. It just take so much time to post it the way I want to.

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I also think that, in my guts, if a tiger charged into the room, I'm going to know the difference between a WL tiger and a dream tiger.

This is very interesting. In my experience, when "immediate personal danger" presents itself, I would be very likely to react without reflection. I might reflect upon it immediately after (or even during) the flight to safety, but in the moment of peril I find instinct takes over. Now if it were some mythical beast, I might get an immediate "ah, dream!" thought, but for a waking-life equivalent, I probably wouldn't, not as an immediate reaction, unless I was already semi-lucid and pondering my state already.

That's a good point, and I may have been a bit over-hasty. In fact, I think I just had an aversion to the topic of "less fear is bad," which I think is a tragedy, but oh well (and not towards you, fogelbise, but just the topic ). But yes, FM, I think I may feel relatively the same way, though there is a certain "something," that makes me hesitate. But who am I kidding, really, since I confuse the dream state with WL all the time

Oh, and fogelbise, let us know when you are ready to share the experiences! Thanks for linking that article; I read some of it and think I have the gist. I may read the rest later

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This morning realized I was dreaming while in a tower. I shrunk and expanded the height I was at and then floated out of the tower window inside the tower (???), as though using the tower room as a hot air balloon basket. I then turned the basket upside down and floated to the ground. Some other stuff having to do with flying (floating?) and then I noticed an interesting house on the street, like a tall, thin mansion-like house with a stone square on the front. I went inside and it was identical to the house I grew up in.

On another note, while driving up to my mom's house (same house) in an NLD, I jumped out of the car and began singing: "I wanna run with yooooou... Hold...my...hand!"

Great link here with your home house. Wisdom and love.

Thanks, Danny!

Aww, I've missed out on this awesome workbook! Hope you don't mind me having a peek every now and then, Threecat!

I'm really curious about your post #28 where you mention transforming DCs, what sort of transformations do you have in mind?

NyxCC, you are always welcome. I am interested in dismantling the reactions centered around the idea of "someone." I think changing my behavior towards DCs (by turning them into flower pots or toaster ovens, or making them big or small or beautiful or ugly) would help with this. Basically, I want to be more conscious of how I react to others based on the assumption that they are a somebody.

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Oh, and fogelbise, let us know when you are ready to share the experiences!

Sure! If I don't do it tomorrow, it will probably be a week or more with a busy 9 or 10 days coming up (may not be around here as much during that period but will try to pop in as much as possible). I'll PM you when I do.

Night before last, a moment of lucidity: "This is a dream!" with heightened clarity, but then I don't remember what happened. This morning, I had an interesting NLD with Yoda in a space ship, flying through the clouds. Lots of fun, and I kept thinking how amazing it was that I was really with Yoda. I got lost in thought, and when I came to, I was suddenly in the passenger side of my car in the city. The clouds, ship, and Yoda were all gone. I was dumbfounded. How did I get here? What just happened??? I asked the DC driving what happened, and he couldn't tell me. I then escaped from the car and two DCs in the car chased me firing bullets. So much for that dream.

The next dream I was swimming in a river with my wife and sister. The water was very deep and clear, and I could see the rocks at the bottom. The current dragged me away under a bridge. I could breathe under the water, and then I was promptly deposited outside of the doors of a barn, as though the river had flowed through the barn and disappeared onto dry land. What the hell? How did this happen. "This is a dream," I say, and think to go back to the river to swim with my wife and sister more. I see a double screen door, though, and think it might be interesting to explore inside of it. I go inside, and think that there might be a light chain . . . and suddenly there is one! I click it a few times but no light. I try shrinking and expanding it to get light, nothing. I continue on. There are sounds coming from a bathroom so I go inside. Someone is in the shower. Who is it? I check to see lol. It's a girl, and she freaks out. Suddenly I fall into the tub, she is outside of the tub, and a loud gong rings once. I hope that the girl doesn't have a knife. She does! It's a butcher knife! She stabs me! I wake up!

The second dream had a creepy feeling to it. I knew in some way that the girl couldn't hurt me, but at the same time, I really did not want to be stabbed

Congratulations on the lucidity!! Yeah, I don't really get the people who say that they want to see what getting stabbed in a dream feels like or things like that…not really in my list of goals…depends on my mood perhaps.

You are doing great! To many more experiences!

Not much to report lately. A few close calls since last week (missed dream signs, and even a missed RC), but no lucid dreams. Dreams have been interesting, and I have a feeling lucidity is around the corner. I still have my goal to transform DCs, and am doing some work with that on my WBTB (when I have managed to do it, only a couple of times last week . . . hmm, is THAT why no lucidity??) and am going to start doing some work during WL with it as well when I can remember to do so. Will keep you all posted!

Yeah, I don't really get the people who say that they want to see what getting stabbed in a dream feels like or things like that…not really in my list of goals…depends on my mood perhaps.

I can't say it's ever been something I've thought about before. I did cut myself once to see what it was like (rather, to test for pain before cutting my hand off) but I woke up directly afterward. My only reason for that was to get some cognitive distance from my dream body, and not be so reactively attached to it (since it's not a real body and all ). But other than that, no, I do not desire to be harmed with knives or other stabbing weapons

Interesting note: I've watched two shows recently where the characters enter a parallel reality: Stranger Things and Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell. Strange that strange is in both titles . . . could this be a dream?? But watching those made me interested for RedKali's class on shared dreaming (which seems like it has lost steam recently ).

-Agreed. WBTB is definitely a major part of my ability to get lucid. Inspired by you, I did add transforming all DC's to be helpful as my current goal #5. I have transformed individual DC's, but love the idea of transforming all (or at least most) of them.

-Yes, I was just relating to your comment about not wanting to be stabbed, in case it sounded like I meant something different.

-You know, I just heard that the latest Mr. Robot episode involved inducing lucid dreams. I set one of the re-runs of that episode to record.

Happy dreams and LD's!

Not much going on lately. You get out what you put in, and lately, not much has been going in! This stuff with job hunting is dominating most of my time, though I am enjoying it. This morning I woke up with an interesting song in my head:



I will certainly keep you all updated with news of any lucid activity

I'm back. Having some big life changes right now, so feeling like lucid dreaming might be a way to transform some stuff in my internal world. Had the first lucid dream I've had in a while (it was a WILD in the late, late morning). In it, as I was transitioning, I could hear a baby crying. I focused on this and slowly found myself floating. I currently have a broken foot so it was nice to be off the crutches Underneath a table was a cat giving birth (?) A tiny kitten came out. I'm not sure if this is symbolic to what is happening in my life at the moment. I hope so. "Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end, yeah."



Crazy how when your life starts to dismantle, you go back to the things that you knew before. I hope to be around for a while.

It's great to see you back ThreeCat and congrats on the WILD! It's a great time of year for new beginnings too.

I do hope you are around a while.

Had a powerful NLD a few mornings ago. One of those that when I woke up, I knew I needed to voice record it or I would forget it and be sad. A little personal to talk about, but it unlocked some areas of my life I had been struggling with. Haven't really practiced any techniques lately. As I said before, going through some difficult life transitions and haven't had a lot of time to devote to LDing.

fogelbise, do you have any simple techniques you could recommend, anything in your experience that would work during a time like this? Something I could easily do upon waking during the night.