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i figured out this morning why i lose lucidity.
i get too excited.
i go lucid, and that doesn't over excite me, because i am sort of used to it now...but then i start controlling my dream, acheiving my objective, and then when i've done that, i go a bit crazy...
can anyone give me some tips on remaining calm in a dream, so that i can carry on?
I had the same problem at first too but I got over it soon. I'm not sure but maybe you could try controlling the dream a bit less if the control makes you excited. Maybe you wouldn't get so excited if your objective was a lesser one. After you get used to it, you could try to control it more.
I don't really know, but that was what I thought. Anyway, I'm sure your excitement will decrease when you get more lucid dreams and experience about it. At least experience did the trick for me.
thanks for that, i think you might be right, now i'm used to going lucid, i don't jump out of my skin so much, i think i need time to come to terms with the fact that i can control things, and look at it as no big deal.
Okay... you get very erratic once you achieved your objective. sounds to me, then, that your objectives have been too easy. Try hitting some curve balls with a little bit of speed on them, and maybe that will keep you a bit longer in the batters box.Quote:
Originally posted by irishcream
i figured out this morning why i lose lucidity.
i get too excited.
i go lucid, and that doesn't over excite me, because i am sort of used to it now...but then i start controlling my dream, acheiving my objective, and then when i've done that, i go a bit crazy...
can anyone give me some tips on remaining calm in a dream, so that i can carry on?
I've noticed that many people are treating Lucidity like a parlor game, or worse, like a child's clown party with its balloon animals. It all can be much more mature than that. Think about it. What have you really done that you should be all that excited about? "Control". that is all I hear about. What about "Content"? The True Goal of dreaming is in persuading your Higher Dream Self -- the Creator of the Dreams -- to deliver successive tiers of ascending Content, to raise your Dream Self to higher levels of Spiritual Being. There would be Obstacles and Tests that will be failed the first time, or the first several times, but then the trick is to persuade the Higher Dream Mind to show you hints and to send you Guides. But instead, all of your people are fixated on pulling ballon rabbits out of your... hats.
Well... man. I think you should give some time for those who are experiencing LD for the first time. When you experience something new, it is normal that you get excited and try some fancy thing, especially in a world that you CAN do anything.
In a proper time, everybody will get tired of doing simple things like flying (that is awesome any day of the week) and will start thinking of a better thing to do with their LDs, that is in fact a higher level of consciousness.
But even so, I think we have no right to judge people regarding what they do best with their LDs. If one seeks to find the reason for life and other just want to fly away... is their choice, not ours.
Let everyone be what they are meant to be. We are bound to an opressive society already. why to create another in our dreams...
Perhaps it is for you, don't assume that's true for all of us.Quote:
The True Goal of dreaming is [snip][/b]
ZappPSR, you wrote exactly what I was thinking. If one is serious about having lucid dreaming then there will be other lucid dreams in their future to explore the deeper, spiritual aspects of things if that's their desire.Quote:
Originally posted by ZappPSR
Well... man. I think you should give some time for those who are experiencing LD for the first time. When you experience something new, it is normal that you get excited and try some fancy thing, especially in a world that you CAN do anything.
In a proper time, everybody will get tired of doing simple things like flying (that is awesome any day of the week) and will start thinking of a better thing to do with their LDs, that is in fact a higher level of consciousness.
But even so, I think we have no right to judge people regarding what they do best with their LDs. If one seeks to find the reason for life and other just want to fly away... is their choice, not ours.
Let everyone be what they are meant to be. We are bound to an opressive society already. why to create another in our dreams...
Personally, I feel that any lucid dream that makes you smile for a time after you wake up was a dream worth having.
He asked.Quote:
Originally posted by ZappPSR
If one seeks to find the reason for life and other just want to fly away... is their choice, not ours.
And mine was a valid answer. he asked what he should do to not get excited. I told him that he had absolutely nothing to be excited about -- that all of his silly parler tricks he was practicing did not amount to even the tiniest hill of beans. That should calm him down somewhat, wouldn't you say?
But what is your advice? To keep going with his Trivia and eventually he would find out on his own that it really all doesn't matter enough to interrupt a good yawn.
My way is faster.
Bigger, better, smarter, faster. If you want to play around, I guess that is YOUR choice.
So... you think you have a personal subconscious mind all of your own? So.... you suppose that each of us live in our own morally isolated individual universes. You ARE an island.Quote:
Originally posted by Citrusponge
Perhaps it is for you, don't assume that's true for all of us.[/b]Quote:
The True Goal of dreaming is [snip]
I would disagree. I think there IS a Collective Consciousness. I don't think we each have a separate Dream Mind... I think that we all share in One Great Collective Mind that creates all of our dreams. Why else would it be that it is so easy to identify Common Dream Motifs and Symbols.
So, no.. you can't get away with being wrong by claiming that in your own private universe, in your own little world with your own set of rules you are somehow right. your not.
But don't take my word for it. If you are wrong you will keep bouncing off the same Dream Motifs with the same Recurrent Dreams all of your life, or until your Higher Dream Self finally gets disgusted with your stubborness and decides to cut you off, whereupon you will be like the rest of the great unwashed masses who no longer even remember their dreams.
well, that told me!!
and i am 'she' not a 'he'.
because i am new to the whole lucidity thing, i find i am just enjoying simply being lucid at the moment, the whole novelty of that hasn't worn off just yet, and when i manage to get some element of control, that is great!!
i think maybe once i get used to it, the excitement will wear off, and i can progress to bigger things.
Leo Volont:
I see your purpose is noble, and your intentions are good. Maybe the "collective consciousness thing" need to be worked yet, cause we don't have any evidence, but just a feeling that we are all connected.
Anyways, that is not the point. The point is let begginers learn by their own pace. Advices are good, yes. Otherwise people wouldn't ask for it. I myself improved a lot since I started the foruns here in March 15.
Just don't be to harsh to new LDreamers. The way you talk, with all respect, is sometimes too opressive.
We are all children in this process. Our parents must leave us learn by our own experiences. Imagine if we were educated in a manner that we never get hurt while a child? Maybe when we become adults we couldn't handle the problems alone.
Leo, I'm not making any Lecture here and I myself am intersting in learning from your experiences, that seem to be very useful. But I will only hear as a friends advice, not as father sermon.
Be more friendly and will get more friends!!
I certainly won't be taking your word for this. (:Quote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leo Volont)</div>Quote:
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So... you think you have a personal subconscious mind all of your own? So.... you suppose that each of us live in our own morally isolated individual universes. You ARE an island.Quote:
Perhaps it is for you, don't assume that's true for all of us.[/b]Quote:
The True Goal of dreaming is [snip]
I would disagree. I think there IS a Collective Consciousness. I don't think we each have a separate Dream Mind... I think that we all share in One Great Collective Mind that creates all of our dreams. Why else would it be that it is so easy to identify Common Dream Motifs and Symbols.
So, no.. you can't get away with being wrong by claiming that in your own private universe, in your own little world with your own set of rules you are somehow right. your not.
But don't take my word for it. If you are wrong you will keep bouncing off the same Dream Motifs with the same Recurrent Dreams all of your life, or until your Higher Dream Self finally gets disgusted with your stubborness and decides to cut you off, whereupon you will be like the rest of the great unwashed masses who no longer even remember their dreams.[/b]
As for whether my views will affect my ability to lucid dream... well, first I gotta regain the skill, then I'll wait and see.
Thank you, Zapp. I completely agree. We have to all remember here that we all come from different backgrounds, have different beliefs/moral standards and telling one that ones dreams are not up to a certain moral standard or nothing more than ridiculous child games is not the way to approach the issue.Quote:
Be more friendly and will get more friends!![/b]
Your dreams are your own to do with what you will, Irish. Don't let anyone tell you what to do with your own mind. :) I've been having obnoxious, silly, crazy dreams since I was four. And I've not been "cut off". :)
Trying to impress your own moral standards/spiritual views is morally wrong as well.
i dont know, i think that not focusing on a task at all, just focus on getting used to lds, knowing them, discovering ur dream laand and the things around u, when u first start lding dont overload urself with things to do, get the flow first, then go on to bigger things... newayz, thats just my thought..
To get back on the topic, I think that I have one tip for you that I read from this forum.Quote:
Originally posted by irishcream
i figured out this morning why i lose lucidity.
i get too excited.
i go lucid, and that doesn't over excite me, because i am sort of used to it now...but then i start controlling my dream, acheiving my objective, and then when i've done that, i go a bit crazy...
can anyone give me some tips on remaining calm in a dream, so that i can carry on?
It's quite simple actually. Just look at the ground(stare) you stand on when you begin to feel too exited and might wake up because of it.
You can eighter stand, or like some people, to sit down on the ground. The main thing seems to be the staring part of the method. I would think that the effect comes from the fact that you just clear your mind and consentrate on the staring and before you know it, you're calm again.
Just don't lay down on the ground. That seems to cause eighter actual awakenings or the false kind. Anyhow, the current 'scene' could be gone because of it.
I hope this helps...
Giltter is right. Back to topic.
I would adivise that if he didn't. I experienced and LD recently, and I wanted to stay calm. I looked at the ground, I touch the ground, I sat down, but I commited the ultimate mistake you can do in a LD. I did lay down on my back. That spoiled my dream. I had a false awakening. (Maybe it is a tip if you get stuck in a dream, what rarely happens...)Quote:
Just don't lay down on the ground. [/b]
The thing is: Stay calm, but not that calm... what you have to do is to concentrate, focus on your surroundings, specially the ground.
Stop and reassure you are dreaming, and that you want to proceed.
Some days ago, I did a flight so nice that I could'n stop laughing... When I landed, I was so happy that soon I woke up. My heart was pumping accelerated.
So, next time I fly, no matter how nice it is, I have to keep in mind that if I get too excited I may end up in my bed...
Do whatever you do, do it calmly almost as if you were stepping on eggs, until you get used to it and don't get too emotional.
i'm currently using lucid dreaming to explore a relationship that i can't have in real life.Quote:
Originally posted by blondeheroine
Thank you, Zapp. I completely agree. We have to all remember here that we all come from different backgrounds, have different beliefs/moral standards and telling one that ones dreams are not up to a certain moral standard or nothing more than ridiculous child games is not the way to approach the issue.Quote:
Be more friendly and will get more friends!!
Your dreams are your own to do with what you will, Irish. Don't let anyone tell you what to do with your own mind. :) I've been having obnoxious, silly, crazy dreams since I was four. And I've not been \"cut off\". :)
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i want to be with this person, very much, but i cant because of one thing and another. At the moment, lucid dreaming is allowing me to 'visit' this person on a relatively regular basis, and explore what it would feel like to be with them.
maybe when my subconcious has sorted this out, or i have grown tired of it, i will move on to something else, but for now, this is fun.
so it may be small, i'm not leaping through portals to other worlds, but i'm finding it fulfilling.
will definitely try the staring thing next time i feel myself getting overexcited.
yes I find standing on the spot, staring and focusing on my goal really helps me, just relax and think I know I can have more LDs if i want so it's not that exciting. hope it helps :)
here is my working technique.
Breath in and out slowly. Do that for a couple of times and you should be fine.
Or you could just count from 1 - 10 while breathing in and out slowly. Should work :/
well, it's been a long, long time since i had an LD...to the point where i think if i realised i was lucid, i'd wake up!
Some try to address the question and to be helpful and yes for sure we all learn at our own speed but I think Leo Volont has addressed were the problem most generally is. That there are more practical things we can spend our time doing and interests, being that we are the western pioneers of the lucid dreamers.
:)
i think i've finally enterd what people here call a 'dry spell' and it's horrible.
I mean, i dream a lot. and in a sense, when i'm dreaming, in the back of my mind, i know i'm dreaming, but i can't seem to do anything about it, its like i'm blocked off somehow. I seem to have hit a wall...