Thread: Simplest dream powers

Strong archetypes make certain tasks trivial.

Flight for instance, is something I can easily accomplish with pretty much zero thought. I attribute that, primarily, to years of playing CoH and the powerful associations I inevitably built in regards to flight.

Or, if that was complete nonsense to you, I'll give you general, layman's advice and suggest you try reaching into your pocket for something along the lines of a pill you can take to give you complete control over a particular power. But even if that works, real control comes from knowing the underlying principles behind the unfolding of dream events. You'd be wise to look into that.

Stick to the basics.

1. Everything requires your attention to exist.
This means you can get rid of anything you don't like by ignoring it

2. The more attention you give something, the more related detail it creates.
You can easily multiply things or cause them to become dominant by focusing on them intently. Works kind of like these stupid meme pictures http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress....1f11823167.jpg

3. Strong emotions have a powerful influence over dreams.
You can exert control and change DCs behaviors, and even how things look by using strong emotions.

4. Mzzkc covered the archetypes already. But basically, the better you know something, the more reliable it will be to use it in a dream. If you've just spent the last 12 hours shooting fireballs in a videogame, it's going to be real easy to do in a dream.

Imagine you're a character in your dream. You already know your powers - what are they? Invulnerability, meaning if a bullet were to hit you, nothing would happen. Invisibility - if a DC were to look right at you, they would just ignore your presence like they didn't see you. Everything is built upon expectations, using this basic principle will allow you to do anything. Try jumping off the ledge of a building (not necessarily something super tall) and absorbing the impact like it doesn't hurt you to land.

Originally Posted by Puffin

Imagine you're a character in your dream. You already know your powers - what are they? Invulnerability, meaning if a bullet were to hit you, nothing would happen. Invisibility - if a DC were to look right at you, they would just ignore your presence like they didn't see you. Everything is built upon expectations, using this basic principle will allow you to do anything. Try jumping off the ledge of a building (not necessarily something super tall) and absorbing the impact like it doesn't hurt you to land.

I'm going to strongly disagree with this post on the grounds that dreams are not built around expectation, but on the rules The Cusp has already shared. The reason expectation works at all (and it doesn't always) is because calling upon that feeling is itself calling upon a broad schema which will bring about its own unfocused consequences. Sometimes expectation brings about action, or change, but how many times have you expected something in life only to be utterly disappointed? All those instances are going to hurt the effectiveness of expectation, sometimes dramatically.

On the flip side, if you've always gotten exactly what you've expected out of life, expectation is going to work wonderfully for you, at least as far as making something happen. Still, without proper focus and paying attention to the right details, whatever does occur will not happen the way you actually want it to. The real-world example that comes to mind is of a dreamer who wanted to create a pyramid, so he believed, expected with all his heart, a pyramid would appear before his eyes. Sure enough, big building blocks tumbled down from the sky and toppled over one another to form a kind of lopsided triangle that was not at all what he wanted. The lack of focus proved to be the difference between an adventure into an ancient, mysterious tomb and something weird to look at.

well people above me have just talked about how to use power but not givin any tasks, so here are some:
reach into your pocket and try to pull something out- like a lollie or a wallet
change the time on a clock-look at a clock, turn away and then try to change the time, look back and see how it went
jump into a body of water and then procede to breath while still under
take larger than humanly possible jumps, its not flying so it shouldn't be too hard

once you completed those you should have enough "experiance" to attempt flying and use knetic abilities etc etc

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

I'll ... suggest you try reaching into your pocket for something along the lines of a pill you can take to give you complete control over a particular power.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

1. ... get rid of anything you don't like by ignoring it

2. ... multiply things or cause them to become dominant by focusing on them intently.

3. ... exert control and change DCs behaviors, and even how things look by using strong emotions.

Originally Posted by Puffin

Invulnerability, meaning if a bullet were to hit you, nothing would happen. Invisibility - if a DC were to look right at you, they would just ignore your presence like they didn't see you. ... Try jumping off the ledge of a building (not necessarily something super tall) and absorbing the impact like it doesn't hurt you to land.

Originally Posted by AustralianFire

well people above me have just talked about how to use power but not givin any tasks,

*cough*

Originally Posted by AustralianFire

once you completed those you should have enough "experiance" to attempt flying and use knetic abilities etc etc

This is not true.

Flying and kinetics are completely different (not hard, just different) from the tasks you've listed, and simply performing those tasks, without understanding the mechanics behind what it takes to complete them, isn't going to make things any easier for the guy. What Puffin, The Cusp, and I have tried to do is give the OP tools he can use to accomplish anything, which will make things easier if they're used intelligently.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

This is not true. Flying and kinetics are completely different (not hard, just different) from the tasks you've listed, and simply performing those tasks, without understanding the mechanics behind what it takes to complete them, isn't going to make things any easier for the guy. What Puffin, The Cusp, and I have tried to do is give the OP tools he can use to accomplish anything, which will make things easier if they're used intelligently.

I think it is all just a matter of confidence, once you do little things, you beleive you can also do the bigger tasks. It is all expectations e.g
"I HAVE never summoned a mountain before!!!!"
"well try making a small hill, then slowly get bigger and bigger"
Starting small builds confidence, rises expectations thus giving you power.

also don't you think invisibility is a little hard for a guy who has not done control, as well as controlling DC's and getting shot by someone and feeling no pain?

p.s The only reason im crap at dream control is that my expectations are too low, but i am working on changing that. I just gotta get a decent lucid

Originally Posted by AustralianFire

I think it is all just a matter of confidence, once you do little things, you beleive you can also do the bigger tasks. It is all expectations e.g
"I HAVE never summoned a mountain before!!!!"
"well try making a small hill, then slowly get bigger and bigger"
Starting small builds confidence, rises expectations thus giving you power.

*sigh*


You really didn't read this thread before posting, did ya?

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

I'm going to strongly disagree with this post on the grounds that dreams are not built around expectation, but on the rules The Cusp has already shared. The reason expectation works at all (and it doesn't always) is because calling upon that feeling is itself calling upon a broad schema which will bring about its own unfocused consequences. Sometimes expectation brings about action, or change, but how many times have you expected something in life only to be utterly disappointed? All those instances are going to hurt the effectiveness of expectation, sometimes dramatically.

On the flip side, if you've always gotten exactly what you've expected out of life, expectation is going to work wonderfully for you, at least as far as making something happen. Still, without proper focus and paying attention to the right details, whatever does occur will not happen the way you actually want it to. The real-world example that comes to mind is of a dreamer who wanted to create a pyramid, so he believed, expected with all his heart, a pyramid would appear before his eyes. Sure enough, big building blocks tumbled down from the sky and toppled over one another to form a kind of lopsided triangle that was not at all what he wanted. The lack of focus proved to be the difference between an adventure into an ancient, mysterious tomb and something weird to look at.

Originally Posted by AustralianFire

also don't you think invisibility is a little hard for a guy who has not done control, as well as controlling DC's and getting shot by someone and feeling no pain?

It's all on the same level once you understand how everything works, which is not by expectations. And honestly, those examples are pretty trivial.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

You really didn't read this thread before posting, did ya?

well.......

Alot of things said make sense. Someone said that about getting things in life and getting them in dreams. That especially makes sense since i never really get anything i want. Some basic things i've always been able to do is breath underwater(very easy), i have always been invulnerable in dreams, and i can usually jump maybe 40 feet in the air. But my trouble on flying is that in real life i'm afraid of heights, and it carries over into the dream, especially when they are vivid. I had a lucid not too long ago where i tried to fly. I jumped in the air and was going up, but realized i was getting high up. I looked down and started freaking out in the same way i would in real life. I get the same vertigo feeling. Even in non-lucids i still get vertigo. The pill idea seems logical, and its not like i havn't used powers before, but i want a more constant basis. The powers i've had in past dreams, and the ones i would think would be most easily to rehash would be fire and lightening, as i love firebending and infamous. I'll try just about anything, but i need more in dream ideas. Yall have already given some great ones, and i'm just wondering if you got anymore. And yes i will try the ones you've mentioned. They sound great.

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What I don't understand is when people talk about having the power of invulnerability in dreams, you're dreaming, so therefore it wouldn't hurt you, and I don't feel pain in my dreams, I'm assuming it's the same in everyone else's dreams as well because pain is a physical feeling and in a dream you have to think about the sense of touch to feel anything, so to feel pain you'd have to think about feeling pain, so in a sense it takes effort to not be invulnerable.

Originally Posted by DJFisch

What I don't understand is when people talk about having the power of invulnerability in dreams, you're dreaming, so therefore it wouldn't hurt you, and I don't feel pain in my dreams, I'm assuming it's the same in everyone else's dreams as well because pain is a physical feeling and in a dream you have to think about the sense of touch to feel anything, so to feel pain you'd have to think about feeling pain, so in a sense it takes effort to not be invulnerable.

Pain is as physical of a feeling as any other feeling. Pain in dreams varies. Often we don't feel much pain but it depends on the person and the dream. The thing is if you get shot what do you think is going to happen? Your schema for being shot is probably feeling pain and dieng. Even if you are not conciously thinking about something dosn't mean your subconcious isn't.

I found telekinesis to be the easiest power to use in my lucids because I found out I could use it in a non-lucid before I learned about lucid dreaming. Also flying came pretty easily for me. I used electrokinesis easily in one of my first lucids but latly I havn't been able to use it sometimes or it is very weak.