Dream Meditation and Memory Manipulation

Recently I have been thinking about the concept of extending dream time, and specifically the role "focusing attention" plays. This was partially influenced by the following threads:
http://www.dreamviews.com/f14/my-tut...ours-ld-94752/
http://www.dreamviews.com/f14/nature...control-57283/
http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/expert...reaming-17586/

Dream meditation

When awake, one's perception of time is largely the result of paying attention. Throughout the day, most people go in and out of lucidity and are only fully "conscious" from time to time. The rest of the time, people tend to be in this half-conscious state, where they are functionally aware, but sort of in a drone-like mode. Recall a busy day at work, and how hours of time seem to skipped by. Or recall a time you were driving somewhere - on the same route you always go - only to arrive without really being cognizant of the drive there. Conversely, recall a time in which you were anxiously waiting for something...and time seemed to creep along at a very slow pace.

These are all very common place things. When awake, the only thing that seems to keep our perception of time in check is a clock (as well as night and day). When asleep, our perception of time IS time - there is no metronome keeping the pace. With that being said, and considering the effect that paying attention has on our perception of time, it seems like one can modulate dream time by controlling just how much lucidity they achieve in a dream.

The same phenomena can be accomplished while awake with meditation. By meditation, I do not mean the stereotypical sitting cross-legged, eyes closed, with the tips of your index finger and thumb touching...no. I mean something like sitting on a grassy hill, eyes open, mind empty, and just taking in the world without mentally processing it. Try this some time, a solid 10 minutes seems like an hour, no joke.

This begs the question, what would the result be if you did this while in a lucid dream? Instead of immediately flying around, talking to DCs, having sex, etc...what if you simply sat down, cleared your mind, and just took everything in for the entirety of the dream? Surely this would have an amplified effect in dreams where you perception of time can go unchecked.

I invite you to try this, as will I, and am very interested to hear about the results. Of course, you will want to practice this while awake first to get a feel of what it's like, and how to replicate it while dreaming. You can even do this through out your normal day. For example, the next time you are washing your hands, dedicate 100% of your attention to the raw qualia of the water running over your hands, and let all of your senses fill your mind's capacity for consciousness...leaving no room for stray thoughts, interpretation, or inner dialog.

Memory Manipulation


In dreams, there is an odd phenomena in which we are able to have false memories, some that seem to stretch as far back as several years. I’ve had dreams in which large parts of my past where memories of place and things I have never done or been to. It was only after waking (and sometimes long after waking) I came to realize these were not real memories at all. While I admit I do not know exactly how this happens, I do know that , to our minds, there is little-to-no distinction between a false memory and a real memory…and when all is said in done, I still have those false memories as if they really happened.

If we go back to the power of focusing one’s attention, I am curious if this another aspect we can gain control of with the right kind of attention. If we placed full focus on recalling something while dreaming, would we be able to actually create genuine memories - ones of our own design? Our minds seem to already have the ability to create them…and while in a lucid dream, we have a unique type of access to the subconscious. We can talk to DCs and converse directly with our subconscious. Perhaps, while in a lucid dream, our subconscious is open and vulnerable enough to accept something like this, and have the memories actually “take”.

Thoughts?

I've tried to slow down the experience of time in a LD but I woke up really quickly when I did. But I've had a chain of LDs that seemed like about 3 hours that was only 45 minutes tops. I didn't try to do this consciously it just sort of happened.

So I came across these videos whilst browsing another thread, and it has some interesting things to think about with regard to false remembrance and dream control:

Faulty Logic in Dreams
False Remembrance in Dreams


In the False Remembrance video, 4:10 to 5:05, Stephen is talking about how false memories play a very prominent part in why people tend to have non-lucid dreams. After all, why don't people spontaneously become lucid when they find themselves in a dreamscape/dream-scenario that does not accurately reflect what we would consider "normal"? I have had dreams in which I was in my old house growing up, except the dream house itself did not look anything like the actual house. Why didn't I remember this in the dream? Or better yet, how could this unfamiliar house seem so familiar to me unless I was misremembering? Now that I think about it, false memories seem to saturate typical non-lucid dreams so much so that that average person has false memories while dreaming FAR more often than they have real memories.

In the same video, 5:10 - 6:30, he goes into theories of how this false remembrance can happen. What seems to make the most sense is that we have a bank of dream memories and a bank of waking memories. As we all know, it can be very difficult to recall a dream memory while awake, or conversely, remember a waking memory while dreaming. As the theory goes, perhaps this sense of familiarity is due to the fact that we are actually recalling memories of past dreams in which we have no waking recollection. Because we have no waking recollection of those dream memories, they would naturally seem like "false" memories.

Putting this all together (if this is true) every person has a HUGE cache of "hidden" dream memory fragments from a life-time's worth of unrecalled dreams. If we are interested in possibly creating false dream memories, perhaps these would be our legos. The beauty is that the recollection of these fragments would produce a "genuine" sense of remembrance, since you would ultimately be recalling events that actually took place (in past dreams, that is). However, since these memory fragments are beyond waking recollection, most likely a bit fuzzy, and probably detached from any sort of logical sequence or context, they would be modular in nature. In other words, these fragments could theoretically be spliced, reassembled, and even tweaked to create a "designer memory". And best of all, there wouldn't necessarily be any seams that could be recognized by our waking consciousness, partly due to the fact that our dream memories are "housed" in a part of our brains not easily accessible by our waking minds, and also by taking advantage of faulty logic, homologous variants, and associations to help fill in the holes.

Am I sounding crazy, or does this not seem all that far-fetched?

Yea...I don't know. Here is what I think.

We can go places in our waking life that we have never been before. Rooms are generally square, so that wouldn't surprise you in a dream. If it is a new room in a dream, that could just as easily be a new room in waking reality.

I recently had a dream that my friend had more shirts than he needed. I saw them all folded up, and saw I only had about three. I could sure have used some of his. Well, that is weird for reality, but what I get from the dream is that he can buy stuff he wants and I can't. That is a truth in reality that manifested in my dream.

Now, a point you mentioned was, couldn't that have been a dream memory, and that is why it didn't seem weird. Well, that doesn't really work, because for it to be a dream memory, I had to dream it for the first time once. That first time, it would not have been a memory.

I believe when we are exhausted, we have less chance of being lucid. That seems to be a recurring theme with me. On the same note, but to a lesser extent, we sleep because our body and mind are tired. This makes non-LD's easy; but, if we go to bed on time, I think we are in good physical and mental condition to go lucid.

In this condition, let's say I go into the house where I grew up, but the house looks different. Understand, I am not in my waking life. This alone doesn't mean the house can't look like my old house, but I'm tired and asleep. As for myself, I understand why the house may not be exactly right. It is pretty amazing that my mind creates the story while I'm unconscious. If my mind tells me that it is the house I grew up in, and if my mind makes me comfortable that it is that house even though it is having trouble reconstructing that house, I'll go with it. The important thing is how I feel, and if it feels like my old house, that is what my mind is trying to tell me.

Also, if I control a dream, I don't feel that is from a previous dream memory. Consider completing the TOTM. That may not be real, but that doesn't mean it is a previous dream memory.

Maybe you are right. I don't mean to dismiss the ideas you present. The ideas just don't mesh with what I believe.

I find this thread extremely fascinating. I too have had a dream location (that I felt) I had been to many times only to realize that I had not once I had woken up. Would it be possible to stop time in a lucid dream? Go back in time? Also, what would be the purpose of implanting thoughts, sounds like inception.

In other words, quiet the internal dialogue. Also, don't judge. Saying that it is a beautiful day is being judgmental. Try to absorb the sun, feel the breeze, or lack thereof, and exist in the day without naming it. The Tao that can be named is not the true Tao.

Quiet. Relaxed awareness. Life is the drug.

Doing this in a dream should be very interesting. If I could JUST...GET...LUCID!

@ Rman
Perhaps I'm assuming too much about how false memories occur. If we take a step back and look at the original issue, our minds have the ability to create false memories somehow. The ability is there -- so the question remains, if we can determine how this happens (perhaps it boils down to nothing more than archetypes and schema like you suggest) would we be able to use the same method to intentionally fabricate memories within ourselves? Assuming your point of view, could we purposefully tie feelings of memories to "events" or "things" of our own creation...just as our subconscious already does? If so, feelings are similar to forgotten dream fragments in some very important ways, i.e not necessarily being anchored to a specific context or sequence of events. Perhaps the same is possible with feelings as with forgotten dream fragments (being modular and whatnot).

@Metalconch
I don't think it would be possible to stop time in dreams, simply because I feel our perception of time requires the passage of time. After all, how else can we perceive time if not by it's "movement", by contrasting what is with what was.

As far as the purpose of this "self-inception", my original intention was to find a way to significantly extend our perception of dream time. As stated above, if our perception of time inherently requires the passage of time, then our perception of time is ultimately a matter of memory, is it not? How could we say how long or short a dream was if not for our memory of when the dream began (and when it ended)? This was the seed of the idea, that with artistry and a subtle touch, one could create genuine memories of dream experiences that never occurred in a way that would be indistinguishable from the memory of an actual dream. Far-fetched, I know...but I don't think the basic concept is impossible. Whether or not this can be done to such a degree would most likely be a question of practice and talent, if the basic concept can be proven true. In reality, this skill could be used for many applications, almost too many to name. Perhaps you are having difficulty doing something in a lucid dream -- the memory of doing it a dozen times before might be the just the solution you needed. That's the great thing about dreams, its flexible enough to allow for some clever manipulation of logic and associations.

One very important thing to keep in mind is that there is plenty of scientific documentation of people, while under hypnosis, creating false memories with the suggestions of a therapist. This alone give some credibility to the idea that, while in a semi-conscious state, this sort of thing can (and does) happen. In fact, it may even be possible to do this to another person, true inception, like what has occurred in patients under hypnosis.

In short, I think it is just a little more simple, though certainly taking advantage of a complex mind. Man(kind) learns. We remember. Certainly we take these memories into our dreams. Man also has the ability to create. We can imagine things we have never seen. We extrapolate from what we know and imagine that which we do not know, or is not real. I believe we do the same in our dreams.

Having said that, we also know that we ofter forget our dreams--but I think every oneironaut here knows...our subconscious never forgets. It is in there. For this reason, past dream memories could certainly forge new dreams. I just think that for the most part, our minds make it up as we go along. I think we are working things out from our daily lives.

Sometimes I think we take things we have seen or thought about but not paid much attention to, and then all of a sudden it comes up in a big way in our dreams. I've had this happen. I wonder why I didn't dream it right away if it was such a big deal (It was my worst nightmare ever). Instead, I saw these masks at the entrance to the basement where I grew up, and months later, demons visit me in my dream.

So, the timing may be unintuitive, but I don't think we get as deep (typically), as previous dream memories.

Again, I could be wrong, but from analyzing my own dreams, I don't think previous dream memories play a big role in my dreams; that is just me though.

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If we placed full focus on recalling something while dreaming, would we be able to actually create genuine memories - ones of our own design? Our minds seem to already have the ability to create them…and while in a lucid dream, we have a unique type of access to the subconscious. We can talk to DCs and converse directly with our subconscious. Perhaps, while in a lucid dream, our subconscious is open and vulnerable enough to accept something like this, and have the memories actually "take".

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I wonder, could someone then be able to "replace" memories of traumatic experiences?

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Putting this all together (if this is true) every person has a HUGE cache of "hidden" dream memory fragments from a life-time's worth of unrecalled dreams. If we are interested in possibly creating false dream memories, perhaps these would be our legos. The beauty is that the recollection of these fragments would produce a "genuine" sense of remembrance, since you would ultimately be recalling events that actually took place (in past dreams, that is). However, since these memory fragments are beyond waking recollection, most likely a bit fuzzy, and probably detached from any sort of logical sequence or context, they would be modular in nature. In other words, these fragments could theoretically be spliced, reassembled, and even tweaked to create a "designer memory". And best of all, there wouldn't necessarily be any seams that could be recognized by our waking consciousness, partly due to the fact that our dream memories are "housed" in a part of our brains not easily accessible by our waking minds, and also by taking advantage of faulty logic, homologous variants, and associations to help fill in the holes.

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There could be some truth in that. I've had a few (like 3-5) experiences over the years where during the dream I had false-memories regarding the dreamscape and events that went on there and then woken up thinking that these were "continuations" of past dreams. Hopefully that made sense, I'm horrible at getting my point across. >_<

Do you think we could "replay" certain dreams by manipulating these memories (be they false-memories conjured during a dream or conscious recollections of a past dream you had)?

@GavinGill
Dream manipulation can definitely be used to change the memory of traumatic events to make them less traumatic, but I believe it might be possible to change them to such an extent in which you may consider it "replacing" the original memory. This probably wouldn't be a one step process, but rather a gradual reshaping of the memory over several different sessions until it is more or less a fabricated memory. As far as replaying a dream, I don't see why we couldn't do this. The only "problem" is that is may be hard to tell if the dream actually happened before, or if that is a false impression you gave yourself by attempting to do this...but maybe that's the point -- that it wouldn't actually matter.

@Rman
You might be right that dream memories may not play a large part in all this, but we are able to have these false memories somehow. So far we have touched on two examples of this; the false memories we can have whilst dreaming and the false memories that can be created while being under hypnosis. I do not know exactly how it happens, recalling dream memories was just one of a few possible theories.

Elizabeth F. Loftus is world-renowned expert on human memory, conducting extensive research on the misinformation effect and the nature of false memories, and earning herself several prestigious awards and multiple honorary degrees. Here is an article of some of her findings.Below is an excerpt from the article I find particularly relevant.

Spoiler for How False Memories are Formed:

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In the lost-in-the-mall study, implantation of false memory occurred when another person, usually a family member, claimed that the incident happened. Corroboration of an event by another person can be a powerful technique for instilling a false memory. In fact, merely claiming to have seen a person do something can lead that person to make a false confession of wrongdoing.

This effect was demonstrated in a study by Saul M. Kassin and his colleagues at Williams College, who investigated the reactions of individuals falsely accused of damaging a computer by pressing the wrong key. The innocent participants initially denied the charge, but when a confederate said that she had seen them perform the action, many participants signed a confession, internalized guilt for the act and went on to confabulate details that were consistent with that belief. These findings show that false incriminating evidence can induce people to accept guilt for a crime they did not commit and even to develop memories to support their guilty feelings.

Research is beginning to give us an understanding of how false memories of complete, emotional and self-participatory experiences are created in adults. First, there are social demands on individuals to remember; for instance, researchers exert some pressure on participants in a study to come up with memories. Second, memory construction by imagining events can be explicitly encouraged when people are having trouble remembering. And, finally, individuals can be encouraged not to think about whether their constructions are real or not. Creation of false memories is most likely to occur when these external factors are present, whether in an experimental setting, in a therapeutic setting or during everyday activities.

False memories are constructed by combining actual memories with the content of suggestions received from others. During the process, individuals may forget the source of the information. This is a classic example of source confusion, in which the content and the source become dissociated.

Of course, because we can implant false childhood memories in some individuals in no way implies that all memories that arise after suggestion are necessarily false. Put another way, although experimental work on the creation of false memories may raise doubt about the validity of long-buried memories, such as repeated trauma, it in no way disproves them. Without corroboration, there is little that can be done to help even the most experienced evaluator to differentiate true memories from ones that were suggestively planted.

The precise mechanisms by which such false memories are constructed await further research. We still have much to learn about the degree of confidence and the characteristics of false memories created in these ways, and we need to discover what types of individuals are particularly susceptible to these forms of suggestion and who is resistant.

As we continue this work, it is important to heed the cautionary tale in the data we have already obtained: mental health professionals and others must be aware of how greatly they can influence the recollection of events and of the urgent need for maintaining restraint in situations in which imagination is used as an aid in recovering presumably lost memories.

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What I have come to find is that imagination can indeed create false memories, and hypnosis or a semi-conscious state, while it can enhance the effect, isn't actually necessary. Successfully creating a false memory uses suggestive "imagination exercises" in which the individual is encourage not to think about whether or not their constructs are real. False memories are also constructed by combining actual memories with the content of these suggestions (whether self-originated or otherwise). And, "source confusion" helps allow for the disassociation of the content of a memory and where it came from (which is why its also important note is that, the more time that has passed since the memory in question, the easier it is to manipulate it.)

Much of this is consistent with my original theories of how creating false memories can happen in dreams. I have some really good ideas on how to put this all together to create a "how to" on creating false memories in LDs, but instead of posting what I have in mind right now, I am going to reflect on it for a while to see if I can really flesh it out into a decent tutorial.

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You might be right that dream memories may not play a large part in all this, but we are able to have these false memories somehow. So far we have touched on two examples of this; the false memories we can have whilst dreaming and the false memories that can be created while being under hypnosis. I do not know exactly how it happens, recalling dream memories was just one of a few possible theories.

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I think I understand you better now. Simply, you could dream something, and then in your waking life, you simply have a memory and you think it really happened. Not to minimize it to being so simple, but just trying to get my arms around the concept, is that a good starting point?

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Originally Posted by Rman

I think I understand you better now. Simply, you could dream something, and then in your waking life, you simply have a memory and you think it really happened. Not to minimize it to being so simple, but just trying to get my arms around the concept, is that a good starting point?

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Sort of. I am suggesting that, while in a dream, you create memories of things that never really happened. Once awake, those created memories would then be indistinguishable from real memories.


I am begging to appreciate the magnitude of the implications of this skill, if its truly possible to have it. It has much greater applications than simply extending our perceptions of dream time, or giving us a technique to help facilitate lucid abilities. It's actually a little scary considering that there doesn't seem to be anything to stop someone from going beyond dream-memory manipulation and start tampering with waking memories -- which gets into the realm of what psychologists call "psychosis".

But its good to remember I am making some pretty large assumptions, namely that people can create false memories willingly, and that these false memories would indeed be indistinguishable from real memories. If one or both of those factors end up being erroneous, there may be nothing worth pursuing in this line of inquiry.

na actually it all makes perfect since. i had just never thought of it, why in my dream im somewhere and with people iv never seen before i dont realise its a dream. one way iv worked out is that in real life every couple of hours and everytime somehting wierd or unexpected or anything that causes a emotional spike just say toyour self "yeh im dreaming" this habbit will follow through in dreams. so its wierd how you can make your self remember somehting in a dream yet you cant realise your in a dream when in unfamiliar places and people.

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Sort of. I am suggesting that, while in a dream, you create memories of things that never really happened. Once awake, those created memories would then be indistinguishable from real memories.

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I get it now. I'll bite.

Tutorial for Manipulating Dream Memories (1st Draft)
This process has 2 main steps: Seeding and Manifestation. Below I will explain in more detail how you use these steps to create Pseudo Dream-Memories (which I will refer to as PDMs). To start, all you need is a general idea of what you’d like to remember.

Step 1: Seeding
Before creating the content of a PDM, it needs a place to be anchored in our memory of real dreams. To do this, you will need to recollect a real dream you’ve had at some point in your life -- the older the dream, the better. Once you have one in mind, recall a point in which that dream had transitioned from one scene to another. For example, if I had a dream in which I was eating pizza, and the next thing I remember doing is walking around my old neighborhood, the time in between these two dream events would be a good place create this so-called “splice”.

After doing this, it’s time to insert the content of your PDM. While awake, lie down and close your eyes. Try to recall that first dream scene in full detail. For any missing details, just let your imagination fill in those gaps for you. The goal is simply to relive the experience in as seamless of a way as possible -- paying no attention to where the details are coming from. As you get close to the end of that “dream scene”, you will want to begin imagining what it would have been like to (insert desired memory) at that point. Again, just let your mind unconsciously create the details for you without analyzing where those details are coming from. You will want to make the transition from your memory to this imagination exercise as smooth and natural as possible, so slowly work your way from what you know happened to what you would have liked to happen.

Once you have finished imagining (insert desired memory), you will want to end it by transitioning back to where the real dream left off. If we refer back to my example: perhaps after eating pizza, I went outside and flew around and then began exploring my old neighborhood. Notice how I slipped the act of flying between the cracks of my actual memories, making sure there were no gaps between the transitions. This is how you can anchor an imaginary memory to the memory of a real event.

Repeating this process will increase the effectiveness of seeding your PDM. Be sure to remember the events happening in the same way each time, however each time allow your imagination to “remember” new details you “forgot" to notice the last time for a more realistic and vivid memory.

Step 2: Manifestation
For our purposes, we will only focus on manifesting these PDM in lucid dreams. To take full advantage of the “source confusion” phenomenon, you will need to use some slight-of-hand. This includes avoiding any WILD-like dreaming methods, which includes WBTB and DEILD. I don’t know if this is absolutely necessary, but avoiding these LD techniques should decrease the chance of dragging your waking memories with you into your lucid dream. The reason why this is important is because we are intentionally trying to NOT remember where the PDM came from, so that when we recall it in a LD, it is perceived as being a genuine memory.

The tricky part is remembering to recall the past dream while lucid, but not the process of seeding that past dream. This could be the hardest part of the technique, however since I don't have any past experience doing something like this, it may not actually be as tricky as I am assuming it is. Any feedback on how to potentially make this process better would be greatly appreciated.

Hi, nice thread.
Wouldn't meditating in a dream actually raise your awareness?

Yes it would, particularly in a lucid dream. All of the mental activity created by simply observing your dream ("wow, this is cool", "yikes, that's kind of creepy", etc) actually shapes the dream itself, whether you are aware of it or not. By quieting the mind, you would eliminate much of the "conscious interference" that can cause dreams to be unstable and fall apart (or spiral out of control). In a place where thought is matter and emotion is physics, meditation is a very useful tool.

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Originally Posted by TheUncanny

Sort of. I am suggesting that, while in a dream, you create memories of things that never really happened. Once awake, those created memories would then be indistinguishable from real memories.


I am begging to appreciate the magnitude of the implications of this skill, if its truly possible to have it. It has much greater applications than simply extending our perceptions of dream time, or giving us a technique to help facilitate lucid abilities. It's actually a little scary considering that there doesn't seem to be anything to stop someone from going beyond dream-memory manipulation and start tampering with waking memories -- which gets into the realm of what psychologists call "psychosis".

But its good to remember I am making some pretty large assumptions, namely that people can create false memories willingly, and that these false memories would indeed be indistinguishable from real memories. If one or both of those factors end up being erroneous, there may be nothing worth pursuing in this line of inquiry.

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im not sure if you have mentioned it, but i think that many false memories that we have in dreams are not so much false memories, but memories of previously forgotten dreams. had a major one last night that made me think this is true. i have never managed to meditate for long in a dream, but it has been amazing when i have. it is great for stabilising a dream, although something will gradually take your attention away.

however if you can meditate with focus in a dream when the distractions all around you are the most amazing things that your mind can come up with, then it will give you a great experience for use in real world meditations. personally i didnt have that much joy in trying to clear my mind of all the negative chatter in realtime meditations until i started to try it in dreams, now i am as close as ive ever been to quietening those nagging doubts and only filling my mind with positive thoughts and feelings. great thread mate

Actually forgotten dreams was one initial theory I had, and I talked about it in this post if you'd like to read a bit about my thoughts on the subject.

As of now, I do not know the primary source of pseudo dream memories...whether its the recollection of forgotten dreams or our mind associating feelings of memories to random dream thoughts. I have a feeling that I will better understand once I do a little experimentation in my next lucid dream.

ah cool cheers, sorry it was late and i was scanning a bit. for what its worth i agree with what you say

No worries, those first twos posts were pretty long.

Anyway, I had a dream sometime early this morning that involved a false memory. After waking up, I recognized that this was indeed something that never happened before (or was a lost memory of a forgotten dream). I remember lying in bed, thinking to myself that I should really write this down because: 1) I am trying to get back in the habit of recording my dreams, and 2) because it was relevant to this thread. However, the lazy part of my brain somehow convinced me that I would remember all of the details and that I didn't need to write them down. Sure enough, I don't remember what this false memory was about...so I am a little miffed at myself for doing that.

However, this did give me a little insight into how the false memory may have occurred. Because of all of the talk about how to "seed" a PDM, I think, on some unconscious level, I may have inadvertently seeded my own mind. Or, because false memories (or memories in general) have been on my mind as of recently, maybe I associated a feeling of remembering something onto the dream I was having, thus creating a PDM.

But this got me thinking -- if the goal is to create a PDM without being aware that I created it, how am I supposed to distinguish those from random PDM that just happen naturally? Maybe I was successful in doing this in my latest dream, which is why I had a PDM but no memory of where it came from. I certainly didn't (consciously) seed my mind...so maybe that part of the process isn't necessary....

Anywho, I could be getting ahead of myself. The next time I will have to try recalling something in a lucid dream and see what the result is, that way there is less confusion about where the PDM come from (hopefully ;) )

Just an update, I haven't forgotten about this thread...just haven't had any good opportunities to LD and experiment. I don't really get much sleep on the week days (insomniac), and on the weekends I tend to go out and get drunk...which needless to say doesn't help the situation either. Getting a good amount of sleep does a lot for me with LDs, and so I am going to try to take it easy this week end and see what happens.

In the interim, anybody have any other thoughts on the subject of dream meditation or pseudo dream memories?

great work. Very intriguing. Keep it up.

I just woke up from a DILD, but forgot I was still trying to do this stuff :bang: