My Idea vs Your Idea

[seandop]

This topic has already been posted at ld4all by Lunatic and no one could answer this question. I hope this hasn't already been posted here, but here goes. Originally posted by Lunatic Dreams happen in your mind right? And your subconcious controls the flow of the dream... So can another person affect your dreamscape if you shared a dream with them? Wouldnt that mess things up, If your subconcious was taking the dream one way and the other persons subconcious was going a different way with the dream? And what would happen If I was in a dream with my friend, both of us are lucid, and he wants to change the dreamscape into a forest, but I want to change it into an ocean? If we both attempt to change it at the same time would it go my way if he came to my dream? and go his way If I were in his dream? Or would it mess up and turn into an oceanic forest? can another person control your dreams? Wouldnt that be like mind control... ? I hope this hasnt been asked before... and I hope it isnt a stupid question...

[the beauty who sleeps]

I'm not sure if it's been asked before as I'm new here, but that is an interesting question. I once had what I really believe to be a shared dream with someone I am friends with online. I actually recognized I was dreaming in the middle of it, and things weren't quite going the way I wanted them to so I attempted to change something, but nothing worked. I've never had problems before with control in my lucid dreams (that is when I do get to go lucid) but nothing worked in this dream and I just as I was realizing I was lucid, I had a strange feeling as if I wasn't supposed to be there. Almost as if it was his dream and so he controlled it. I'll never know if it really was a shared lucid dream, and I can't even really ask my friend either, because I know I could never believe his answer. Plus, I wouldn't want him to think I was crazy! I'd like to see what others opinions on this question are. Would be quite interesting to find out.

[Hate]

My personal opinion is that no-one can affect your dreams, unless they affect your subconcious by e.g. hypnosis. That's because it's your subconcious that makes up the dream. I believe that shared dreaming isn't even possible, because the dream happens inside your own head, and is only a product of your own mind. I think that if you believe that it's possible for someone to control your dreams, your subconcious can make up a dream that feels like that. That's what I personally think about this subject.

[DopeyGuy]

Originally posted by seandop This topic has already been posted at ld4all by Lunatic and no one could answer this question. I hope this hasn't already been posted here, but here goes. use common sense. If he wants to go to a forest, and you want to go to an ocean, then both of you will not share dreams anymore, you will be seperated. One in a forest, and one in a ocean.

[Jammy]

If you both were expert at LD and somehow could visit eachothers i dream i think the host, would have the controll, anyway you both had to agree on who would have most controll. In the creepy movie "The Cell" they take up that question. There a person goes into the other person dream enviroment, with as much power as a regular DC. Dream sharing is a incredible exciting idea and i really believe in it. More so when modern Quantum mechanics have began to regcognize that on a deeper level everything is connected.

[Aethereal_Pellucidity]

Suppose we were to assume that shared dreaming does occur. (If one assumes that shared dreaming is impossible -- which I have not -- then there is no point in asking this question at all, thus we must first assume that it is, in principle, possible.) If such a thing is possible, I would suppose that whoever has the greater control and the greater lucidity would dominate the dream. Perhaps if there is a conflict, the less experienced dreamer loses control or is knocked out of lucidity. Perhaps, as someone else suggested, the dreamers merely part ways. I do not think it possible for anyone to drag another lucid dreamer with them if that dreamer is unwilling. This is a very interesting topic.

[Wicked]

I have an answer for this. Dream sharing is impossible. There, it answers everything nicely.

[muse.v]

Hate and Wicked answered it perfectly. Disregarding the fact that it goes against science, how can dreams be inside your head and be shared, at the same time? Isn't that just a simple contradiction? This idea illustrates this point. Shared Dreaming (a concept with no scientific evidence for existence) goes against dreaming in general (a concept proven by scientific methods) by definition.

[existenceisadream]

The exception to all the reply's on this subject is if you believe in out of body experiences. I have been Ld'ing for awhile now and have gotten into astral projecting and "if" in fact such a thing is possible (and I mean that the OBE is real and not just a hallucination) then shared dreaming is possible. To me Ld'ing and OBE'ing is the same because after doing both a whole bunch I've come to determine they both are the same. So if dreams actually occur out of body just not consciously then shared dreaming is possible. I'm not saying I believe 100% that when you dream you're out of body, but if OBE's are truly real then everytime you dream you leave the body. The feeling of OBE's really do feel like you're out of body but I'm still working on more proof of my own. existencisadream

[Kaimelar]

A world is created when you dream and it vanishes when you stop dreaming. If we can go to mars, we can probably go to other people's dreams. It's a matter of willing it so, quite simple. Science proves nothing, by the way. Ask any scientist how the universe was created and if he knows something at all, he'll give you the most vague answer: "The Big Bang". If you want to talk about dreaming and what can be accomplished there, then you'll have to think outside the box and turn to philosophy, theosophy and such branches of knowledge as well, not just petty science.

[muse.v]

To me Ld'ing and OBE'ing is the same because after doing both a whole bunch I've come to determine they both are the same.[/b] I have not done both, but i agree and believe also that they are both the same. If Science has solid 'facts' about LDing, which means highly educated people have observed and explained patterns of the brain and sleep, then why would someone put faith in theories that explain the same things, but in weird and complicated ways which have no previous basis. Occam's Razor? Science proves nothing, by the way. Ask any scientist how the universe was created and if he knows something at all, he'll give you the most vague answer: \"The Big Bang\". [/b] That is such a poor excuse. It is a lot less vague than \"God did it.\" And, there is actually physical evidence to support the Big Bang theory, or perhaps in the future something similar. If you want to talk about dreaming and what can be accomplished there, then you'll have to think outside the box and turn to philosophy, theosophy and such branches of knowledge as well, not just petty science.[/b] Or, you could base your knowledge of dreaming on experiences from others, and yourself., instead of making up complicated ones which can be thought of in much simplar ways, and still be effective. Science of the mind. A world is created when you dream and it vanishes when you stop dreaming. If we can go to mars, we can probably go to other people's dreams. It's a matter of willing it so, quite simple. [/b] You say that if mankind can go to mars, we can have shared dreams, and then you call science petty? For one, Mars actually exists. You can't argue with that. Going to mars wont make people telepathic. I have to add that philosophy and theology do apply to dreaming. I think culture and art has a large impact on the mind.

[Wicked]

Originally posted by Kaimelar A world is created when you dream and it vanishes when you stop dreaming. If we can go to mars, we can probably go to other people's dreams. It's a matter of willing it so, quite simple. Science proves nothing, by the way. Ask any scientist how the universe was created and if he knows something at all, he'll give you the most vague answer: \"The Big Bang\". If you want to talk about dreaming and what can be accomplished there, then you'll have to think outside the box and turn to philosophy, theosophy and such branches of knowledge as well, not just petty science. .... I'm very sorry for you. You are a very ignorant person. Go read some books about this "vague" big bang sometime. Philosophy is very good and all, and I bet you really believe that catchy but empty "think outside the box" phrase, but philosophy has nothing to do with science - science is here to describe reality, and reality is that this "world" that is created when you dream is nothing more than an illusion created by chemical processes in your brain. Dream sharing is impossible, and the fact that nobody can replicate it under controlled conditions proves it. Science and Phylosophy are both very important and equal, but they each have completely different goals and have nothing to do with each other. If you want to know whether something is PHYSICALLY possible or not, you go to Science. As for theosophy... if you really need to go to that you must be not only ignorant, but desparate... And don't forget what brought us to the moon, and will probably bring us to Mars. Science, and only science. Your theology has never brought anyone anywhere, so I'd really like to see how you use it to pull off dream sharing. Maybe you should consider THAT before posting next time. TO EXISTANCEISADREAM: You say that if astral projection is possible, then shared dreaming must be possible. That's not true, and is in fact a leap in logic. While I don't believe either is possible, if we to find out conclusively that AP is possible, it would not mean that shared dreaming must therefore automatically be considered possible too.