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      Created a persistent dream realm

      I've recently read through Hyu's DJ for inspiration, and i decided to try his persistent realms technique.

      I'm a bit of a doctor who fan, so most of the names for the places in my dreams come from the series, especially from the 11th doctor. So, the realm i created is one where there are many alien civilizations and a highly advanced human civilization, all intergalactic and technologically advanced. There is a form of magic, and those who practice it are known by a creature related to the element they've mastered. In the realm, I'm the Admiral of the 13th fleet of the IAW (Intergalactic Alliance of Worlds), and also a pheonix (Mastered fire). I live on the capital of the alliance, Arcadia, the 5th planet of a binary star system in one of the whirlpool galaxy's globular clusters. In orbit around the planet, the view is something like this:


      The central city of Arcadia, Trenzalore, is in the middle of one of its large mountain ranges. It is built on a series of terraces and rock platforms connected by bridges. passing around, through, and under Trenzalore is a system of waterfalls and rivers that make it seem quite beautiful. The city is lit by bio luminescent trees and plants, and there are numerous gardens. The architecture is organically inspired, something like

      At sunrise, looking across the Mountain range:


      (The large red planet is the 6th planet, with a highly irregular orbit that takes it quite near Arcadia. The blue object is one of Arcadia's two moons. The blue light is from the youngest of the 2 stars in the system.)

      An Alliance Landing ship in the battle of Aractus (part of an ongoing war).
      It's design is a smaller version of the cruiser from which it is deployed.


      The flagship of the 13th fleet, the Cerberus, is similar to this:


      The IAW has been engaged in an intergalactic war since before i first entered the realm. The war is being fought against Atraxi, an alien civilization similar in form to these things:



      They are very advanced, and originate from their oceanic homeworld Aractus. The battle of aractus was a failed alliance invasion of aractus, in which a huge portion of the invading force was destroyed in a surprise attack from oribiting atraxi railgun batteries. It took place approximately 10 years before the time in which i entered the realm. Since then, the war has reached a bloody stalemate, in which thousands die each day as the atraxi slowly but surely chip their way towards Arcadia. The realm centers around the continued effort to defeat the atraxi, but the realm is very rich in possibilities, and i will certainly enjoy it after the war's end.

      Finally, here is the picture on which my personal fighter, the Raven, is based on:


      • If anybody else has succeeded in creating a dream realm, post a description here.


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      Man I'm very impressed. I thought I was a pretty solid lucid dreamer until I read this. Kind of off topic... but you do use psychedelics? If so, do you feel they have helped you have the ability to create this reality? This really is awesome. Maybe one day I can meet you in this world.

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      No, i don't use psychedelics. I have an incredibly vivid imagination though, and a photographic memory. I'd love to meet you too.
      How do you know that this world isn't as real, or as important, as the one you live in?

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      Don't you feel persistent realms have the potential to restrict your growth?

      Genuinely curious; not a troll question.
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      Could you post a link to this technique you're mentioning ? I pretty much mastered achieving LDs, and would like to try something like that

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mzzkc View Post
      Don't you feel persistent realms have the potential to restrict your growth?

      Genuinely curious; not a troll question.
      That's a good question...
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      That is awesome. How often do you go there? How many times have you been there? I would love it if you would post some of the beginning dreams in your DJ!

      Hyu's journal was what kept me in LDing. I have my own LDing realm called "Zodra", it was handed down to me by my "dream dad" and I have spent a lot of time there. Planning on leaving it after I learn more about it.

      Quote Originally Posted by LLucido View Post
      Could you post a link to this technique you're mentioning ? I pretty much mastered achieving LDs, and would like to try something like that
      What does 'pretty much mastered achieving LDs' look like?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
      That is awesome. How often do you go there? How many times have you been there? I would love it if you would post some of the beginning dreams in your DJ!

      Hyu's journal was what kept me in LDing. I have my own LDing realm called "Zodra", it was handed down to me by my "dream dad" and I have spent a lot of time there. Planning on leaving it after I learn more about it.



      What does 'pretty much mastered achieving LDs' look like?
      It takes much more writing to say specifically how i do it, but i found i can very easily achieve ld every night ( if i have normal sleep and don't feel very stressed ). I have no idea about wilding and such, but my simple technique gives me almost guaranteed LDs, without any effort like dream journal or waking up with alarms and such. I also don't do RCs anymore ( 1-2 a day max ). I didn't wrote about it becouse it started working for me not very long ago, plus it's not super innovative, and it may work only for people who already achieve LDs easily. If people will be interested i'll post about it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mzzkc View Post
      Don't you feel persistent realms have the potential to restrict your growth?

      Genuinely curious; not a troll question.
      What specifically do you mean by growth?

      Genuinely uncertain; not a rhetorical question.
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      Growth as in progress, maturation, etc. as it pertains to lucid dreaming.

      Think: the opposite of stagnation.

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      I must admit that I barely buy what some of you guys are claiming....
      Maybe I know too much things about the dreaming brain's physiology to be enough open mind/credulous for this shit...
      No offense..

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      LLucido - yes it would be nice to hear about your way of getting Lucid ,when your ready

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      I'll try my best with explaining my newest method, but it may take some space as i believe there's a very thin line between doing it right and doing it wrong, even thought the method is very simple. I actually came up with it very randomly, not so long ago, but first i will say what was my biggest problem with LDing. At the beginning i put a lot of work in to LDs, i started a journal i was doing RCs all day, tried things like reading my dreams before sleep, did mantras and stuff like that. First effects and LDs came fairly quickly. After a while i found out that with this practice my sleeping patterns have changed, and i started to wake up naturally every 1,5 h and i could write down tons of dreams every night. After some more time, all this practice became really tiring to me. I am a light sleeper plus i am very "sound sensitive" ( i need complete silence to fall a sleep, no barking dogs and stuff ). After every night i could write down from 10 to 18 dreams but waking up every 1,5 h, and then writing down dreams for 5-15 minutes got me very woken up, and i needed to put a lot of effort to fall back to sleep. Another bad thing for me was the fact that i became even more aware of every sound around me, and things i didn't notice at all started bothering me. Result was, that i had around 3-4 lds a week, but started getting sleepless nights sometimes, my sleep was very fragile, and all the effort put in lding pretty much killed the fun from it for me ( maybe i'm lazy ). After that i put lding on the side, got spontanious lds from time to time, and that's all. Lately i was thinking a bit more about it and becouse of it i came to my new method:

      The only way i always fall a sleep is by thinking/dreaming about some pleasant things. These are kind of thoughts that my mind picks up easily ( it may be something i was handling in real life that day or some complete abstraction ). These thoughts flow through my brain very naturally, and get my imagination really engaged. I get very relaxed by this kind of thinking/dreaming and fall a sleep. These thoughts are very opposite to things like mantras which actually keep you more awake and don't feel natural at all. It's also nothing like thinking about the problems you came by through out the day, that get your emotions really involved and get you more awake instead of more sleepy. Now the whole simple point of my technique is to use this natural, relaxing kind of dreaming before falling a sleep, to thinking about something that involves LDing in some way at least ( for example how great it would be to learn something cool in LD and get this ability to waking life, or what i would talk about with my subconciouss if i could in my LD etc...). It will probably be something completely different for every person every night, becouse this thought can't be FORCED into your mind at all, it has to be something your mind will find very relaxing to think before sleep, and i find very different thoughts relaxing for me every night. For example you can't just start thinking how great it would be to fly in a LD if this thought doesn't get you very relaxed and sleepy that night. Last thing i do, is i repeat this kind of thoughts when i wake up in the middle of the night ( which i always do ), and then i always get LD somewhere between 3 to 5 am. Everything i wrote here may seem very chaotic, but the whole point is that the thought invloving LD have to be very natural and not forced upon you mind when falling a sleep. I don't know if this will work for anyone, but since i started to do it, i get LD every night in which i have normal and comfortable sleep, basically effortlessly.
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      Quote Originally Posted by LLucido View Post
      It takes much more writing to say specifically how i do it, but i found i can very easily achieve ld every night ( if i have normal sleep and don't feel very stressed ). I have no idea about wilding and such, but my simple technique gives me almost guaranteed LDs, without any effort like dream journal or waking up with alarms and such. I also don't do RCs anymore ( 1-2 a day max ). I didn't wrote about it becouse it started working for me not very long ago, plus it's not super innovative, and it may work only for people who already achieve LDs easily. If people will be interested i'll post about it.
      Oh, so not mastered, but gotten to an LD. Almost every night. Big difference. Got it.

      Quote Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
      I must admit that I barely buy what some of you guys are claiming....
      Maybe I know too much things about the dreaming brain's physiology to be enough open mind/credulous for this shit...
      No offense..
      You have 300 lucids and have no persistent dream characters or worlds? That is a little shocking.

      @mzzkc
      For me specifically, I want to use my LDing for fun and practicing waking life skills. So far, the best way to do this is a persistent realm (and time dilation if I can master that too ), I think growth depends on where you are wanting to grow. If you want to "master dream control" then you must be master of yourself, because you are the dream, that is pretty easy. I want more from a dream

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      You have 300 lucids and have no persistent dream characters or worlds? That is a little shocking.
      I've been LDing for 30 years and I never Lucid dreamed twice about the same "special" world (excepted the one I know: reality).
      A LD is before all a dream, and Dreams are mainly build in a random way.
      Sure we can dream about same places more often than about other places, but.. come on, building a entire wold ... knowing that instability is the number one aspect of dreams, and that the second aspect is that 99% of the dream is build from unconscious mechanisms....
      Sorry I don't buy this
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
      I've been LDing for 30 years and I never Lucid dreamed twice about the same "special" world (excepted the one I know: reality).
      A LD is before all a dream, and Dreams are mainly build in a random way.
      Sure we can dream about same places more often than about other places, but.. come on, building a entire wold ... knowing that instability is the number one aspect of dreams, and that the second aspect is that 99% of the dream is build from unconscious mechanisms....
      Sorry I don't buy this
      You have never once been to the same place in a dream? That seems more unlikely to me than anything. instability isn't the number one aspect of dreams, My dreams are always quite stable. You have been LDing for 30 years and only have 300 Lucid Dreams? the main thing about persistence is that you need to be pretty consistent (about 3/week).

      Dreams are not created by randomness, they are created by schema, which are all but random. Have you read ETWOLD?

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      I set my LD count to 300 as I could have set it at 500, or more, I really don't care about how many LD I have got through my life, but LD count seams important to you.
      Let say that LD is not something I discovered yesterday.
      I am not one of these guys who can LD at will, my brain does it jobs: the parts and functions that are supposed to be turned off during REM sleep ARE generally turned off, so if I want to have a LD, it will be a real fight more me to have it.
      All of my dreams are different, and yes, some places are coming more often than others, but generally, it is LIKE random stuffs, situations, stories, characters....
      during one dream, characters change from one to another, situations are shifting, and even if the dream seams stable during a short period, if I look at it from the beginning to the end, it changes.
      The components of the dream slide/change/transform by homology, that's why a yellow umbrella will turn into a yello "something else that is close to an umbrella", that's also why written stuffs change from a reading to another, like the hour, the digital stuffs, the number of fingers if you count it... and so on.
      What I say about how my dream work is not different from how work the dream in general.
      simply because this is how the dreaming brain works.

      So, it is just my opinion, but I don't buy such a complicated, written like a sci-fi movie, and stable persistent dream.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
      I set my LD count to 300 as I could have set it at 500, or more, I really don't care about how many LD I have got through my life, but LD count seams important to you.
      Let say that LD is not something I discovered yesterday.
      I am not one of these guys who can LD at will, my brain does it jobs: the parts and functions that are supposed to be turned off during REM sleep ARE generally turned off, so if I want to have a LD, it will be a real fight more me to have it.
      All of my dreams are different, and yes, some places are coming more often than others, but generally, it is LIKE random stuffs, situations, stories, characters....
      during one dream, characters change from one to another, situations are shifting, and even if the dream seams stable during a short period, if I look at it from the beginning to the end, it changes.
      The components of the dream slide/change/transform by homology, that's why a yellow umbrella will turn into a yello "something else that is close to an umbrella", that's also why written stuffs change from a reading to another, like the hour, the digital stuffs, the number of fingers if you count it... and so on.
      What I say about how my dream work is not different from how work the dream in general.
      simply because this is how the dreaming brain works.

      So, it is just my opinion, but I don't buy such a complicated, written like a sci-fi movie, and stable persistent dream.
      Gotcha, so if I tell you I can read in dreams and it won't be different, but I could read a book with a coherent story, you wouldn't believe me?

      LD Count is important to me because I am trying to have LDs. If I don't keep track of number and consistency, then how will I be able to see progress? I am sorry if it seemed like i was looking down on your LD count (300 or 500 is quite a big difference, and people should be happy if they reach that). I think that every person that I have met that has 2 or 3 hundred LDs has noticed some form of persistence in their dreams. Items, characters, or places. Usually items are the easiest. I have a watch that I wear in my LDs, I just acquired an amulet from a witch I killed, I have a few others as well.

      If your LDs don't have any persistence, then what is the point of getting lucid? You could go and do something amazing, but halfway through fighting a dragon it turns into a squirrel. I wouldn't waste my time LDing if that was the case.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
      Oh, so not mastered, but gotten to an LD. Almost every night. Big difference. Got it.
      I used the word mastered, becouse i meant that i got to a level i don't see point in improving anymore. When i did a lot of LD practice i had situations in which i had 3 lds in one night, but back then i thought there's no way of getting ld every day without effort, which seem like the best possible scenario for me. Still you have to understand i didn't mean LD as a whole when i said mastered, i am at best, decent at dream control and far from the level i want, and this is the area i want to improve. Also i want to focus on improving the lenght of my dreams, becouse it seems optimal for me, to get a very long one every night then couple of shorter ones. I will be trying out your technique for that on nearest occassions I also need to make sure i can sustain this effectivness for long period of time

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      "Gotcha, so if I tell you I can read in dreams and it won't be different, but I could read a book with a coherent story, you wouldn't believe me?"

      you right, I won't believe it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaan View Post
      "Gotcha, so if I tell you I can read in dreams and it won't be different, but I could read a book with a coherent story, you wouldn't believe me?"

      you right, I won't believe it.
      So basically you think we are all liars?

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      Ah! Someone mentioned growth!

      Growth can be a real problem at times!! What happens if you come attached to this dream reality have a created? What if it affects you on a physical level? You want to live in the dream reality? You become too attached that youre not mentally well? You stop growing perhaps?
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      I liked the OP's post. I think it was an nice contribution because it demonstrated a culmination of many useful lucid dreaming skills. Namely:
      - Reading the dream journal of a fellow lucid dreamer and drawing inspiration from it
      - Taking on a long-term, goal-oriented challenge
      - Synthesizing elements of popular fiction with one's own imagination to create a unique world
      - Finding images to complement the narrative, so as to engage multiple senses in the creative process
      - Leveraging archetypal elements to support dream control
      - Creating an open-ended conflict in the premise, to allow for randomness, improvisation, and progression to play out in the dreams
      - A suspension of disbelief and genuine spirit of play
      - An sense of accomplishment without braggadocio
      - An invitation for fellow dreamers to share alike

      And then the first couple replies were on topic. The rest of the thread made me sad. I spent a long while trying to find the words to articulate my disappointment or to find something constructive out of mess. But maybe it would fall on deaf ears so I gave up.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sisyphus View Post
      I liked the OP's post. I think it was an nice contribution because it demonstrated a culmination of many useful lucid dreaming skills. Namely:
      - Reading the dream journal of a fellow lucid dreamer and drawing inspiration from it
      - Taking on a long-term, goal-oriented challenge
      - Synthesizing elements of popular fiction with one's own imagination to create a unique world
      - Finding images to complement the narrative, so as to engage multiple senses in the creative process
      - Leveraging archetypal elements to support dream control
      - Creating an open-ended conflict in the premise, to allow for randomness, improvisation, and progression to play out in the dreams
      - A suspension of disbelief and genuine spirit of play
      - An sense of accomplishment without braggadocio
      - An invitation for fellow dreamers to share alike

      And then the first couple replies were on topic. The rest of the thread made me sad. I spent a long while trying to find the words to articulate my disappointment or to find something constructive out of mess. But maybe it would fall on deaf ears so I gave up.
      Sorry to disappoint Sisyphus, I shall try to stay more on topic, especially when it is something I enjoy to read and hear about as well.


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