"Dreams are fun sometimes when you have 100% dream control.
I kinda wanna LOSE my control over my lucids, because in all my lucids, I controlled all events.
Anyway to do this? Like lose dream control?"
I'll repost this here cause I think it relates. I think what your looking for is passive control, and it requires a slightly different, more observer philosophy, (be the watcher, not necessarily the one being watched.) (don't do this is real life) You appear to have good control in a demand kind of fashion, I am more passive, this post was written to explain how people who are not good with direct control how to have more a passive control for long lucids. Still It's refreshing to just let the dream current take you as it can be quite a bit more strange and alien if you let it go.
After many years since I posted at most 25seconds (as my longest lucid dream) I can say I have had a few nearly hour long experiences and they are amazing (so yes experience is everything). I still don't ever have consistent ld's but whenever I do I have vastly more control and length of ld's than back in 2007. One thing I notice about any extreme, or even moderate length ld is you will consonantly be in awe at how bizarre and amazing your inner plots become (my best really long lucids are the one's where I let the dreams plot unfold without altering it knowing it's all illusion). Your best bet for long lucids, with amazing plots (at least in my experience's) is to forgo your own path, at least for a little, you need to be the observer, you need to feel how lucid dream physics feel. And how every time, they seem to have the same quarks. One of the best things to do is to not tell all the dream charters it's all a dream and don't force them into existence, don't force them into your own ego (they will show up on their own if you expect them, if you don't expect them and feel you need to create them, then it's already a failure).
Team up with dream charters, and you will be rewarded with plots you didn't even think you could write if you had a thousand years. My favorite continuing dream plot revolves around the dream Ruler of the Cat Kingdom, she showed up and started talking about her cat kingdom, that my friends is not something one say's ya but it's all a dream to. If they speak like that, let em talk. So being passive, I ended up in her cat kingdom with Buddhist flying cats, cat parades, cat politics, cats in cars, cat's that talk, cat's that know ninja, cat's in flying car's, because if cat's can already fly on their own, why the hell not? Wakingnomad would be proud of this plot. Like I said before if I say go to cat kingdom, guess what? I end up with the cool-aid man with a chainsaw ;P Recurring plots and recurring dreams are where 90% of my long lucids come from, it's from expecting them, not creating them. Ironically I had never heard of the movie The Cat Returns (which has a Prince, and queen of the Cat Kingdom.) before I had this dream. I made (I mean the dream made) basically the queen of the Cat Kingdom, she's a human in my dream, and doesn't appear to be called Yuki. Thier is not Prince of cat kingdom ether. Still tho, I was like but I dreamed this
The more you lucid dream the more you will end up with moments like that. A more recent recurring world has me talking with a scientist, a scientist with a most bizarre theory. "Black holes have a stoplight that's why the lights don't get out" you don't interrupt that, EVER. He Stated that light and all matter stay at the black hole stoplight until it goes green for all the black holes gathered matter, and that it reaches the singularity all at one time to create a new universe. He said if observers of the new universe look back through telescopes they will only see it as one moment, one explosion when it was really a bunch of small explosions and gathered light waiting, waiting at a stoplight. Man I got to talk to this scientist again, such a rad plot. Yes he said when it goes green XD.
And because your passive you get to realize wile it's happening right then and how amazing it is but keep in check because you can be absorbed into the crazy plots. They will consistently give you absolutely amazing commentary as long as you don't say all a dream, cause then it just loops on that one simple idea, and suddenly you will have an empty dream with no characters, no more flying cat's no more interstellar stoplight's No characters equals no vast plot, no vast plot equals a quick boring dream, which will eventually end with you wondering, am I waking? Is this the dream fading? Passive control is how to have long lucid dreams. Back when I was having 25 second lucids at most, I was trying to control everything immediately. Afraid if I went to too many rooms too quick, I'd wake myself. To anyone who is in the 25 seconds top's phase like I was, say fuck that go through as many rooms as you want, that's the point.
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