How to Cause Re-Occurring Dream characters

**LabyrinthDreams** · 11-27-2017 11:27 PM

So I think after a recent dream two nights ago I've accidentally stumbled across the way to organically cause reoccurring dream characters. I'm not sure if this counts as an instance of "dream control", since this method I've found is a non-lucid method, so sorry if this is in the wrong subforum.

This builds off of my last post as well, describing the Surreal Feedback Loop: basically I noticed that elements from my dreams that I incorporated into my artwork began to re-occur in my dreams more than usual.

Overall, the DC's that I find most interesting are the ones that re-occur most frequently, the ones I spend time in the waking world thinking about and pondering the personalities and motives of. Dream Characters that I share with my friends, or that I create art of, or that I incorporate in gaming come back in dreams more frequently than other DCs.

Basically my theory is the more you get to know and understand the character in the waking world, the greater your chances of meeting them again in your dreams are.

So, if you dream about a DC that you wish to dream about again, I recommend the following steps:

1) If they had a name in the dream, remember it. If they did not have a name, give them one. I think that this ultimately stems down to the idea that humans like to label things by nature. If we have a name for a thing, we can more easily conceptualize it, and therefore it is more likely to re-occur in a dream.

I had a dream long ago involving a middle-aged Persian gangster from Milwaukee, as a relatively unimportant side character. Recently, in my notes I decided to give him a name, "Hashem Malwaki", merely because I liked his distinctive appearance and wanted to use him in a game, and about a month later I saw him in a dream once more, even using the name I had given him in his notes, calling himself "Mr. Malwaki". So it seems to me that naming does help in a character appearing once more.

2) Figure out why they are doing what they are doing. Not in a symbolic or dream interpretive sense, mind you, but figure out what they are doing and why they are doing it from the DC's own perspective. This should help to characterize them, giving them motives and giving meaning to their actions. This helps solidify them in your mind as a conceptual being, helping you know who they are and what motivates them forward.

Some of the most persistent reoccurring DCs I have are a band of Croatian spies (why they are Croatian is a question I have no answer for). Their actions are surreal and bizarre and I find it fun to ponder just what it is that they are up to, and why on earth they do what they do. Unraveling the vast, Croatian Dream Conspiracy is thus something I find fun to do, and the more I ponder them and their actions, the more they show up, giving me more to ponder over, giving them even more presence in dreams (there's a reason i call it the Surreal Feedback Loop).

3) Figure out what their personality is. For the same reason as #2. The more you know about them, even if it is details you are guessing, or inferring, or just making up, the more you strengthen them as a concept in your own mind and the more likely they are to show up in dreaming.

The DC that reoccurs most often for me is the character I know the personality of the most. Izra’il, the Angel of Death, who is, personality wise, usually joyful and forthcoming, though he is saddened and frustrated at times by the fact that most people fear and hate death, and by extension, fear and hate him. The more I understand his personality, the more he reoccurs in dreams.

4) Make artwork of them. Any artwork. Literally anything will do, from drawings to short stories. The more you can reinforce what they look like or who they are in your mind, the stronger they become as a concept to you.

And I do mean artwork from any means. Even video games will work. Recently, I took four random minor characters from four different dreams and used them as inspiration for the four characters in my party in the video game Divinity: Original Sin 2. And despite being really minor characters in their original dreams, they all showed up in a dream together two nights ago, thus prompting me to realize how important characterizing DCs while awake is to them reocurring in dreams.

5) Repeat 1-4 As Necessary. These steps should essentially cause a Surreal Feedback Loop to occur. The more you characterize your DC, the more likely they will show up in future dreams. When they show up in future dreams, this gives you even more opportunities to characterize them further, and strengthen your understanding of the character even further, which should cause them to reoccur even more in dreams, in a feedback loop of dreams-influencing-art-influencing-dreams-influencing-art-influencing-dreams.

And that's the process I have found. I hope someone can find it helpful or useful in some way!!

**Darkmatters** · 11-27-2017 11:33 PM

Excellent work!! That sounds like it would totally work.

**markchris** · 12-12-2017 05:49 AM

Great thread.

**Despierto** · 03-20-2018 11:16 PM

I like this. Good sh*t buddy, thank you.

**Sensei** · 03-21-2018 06:41 PM

Number one is so helpful, it is insane. Good thread.

**Buddy** · 08-06-2018 06:04 PM

I think I accidentally did 1) last night. I was having a suuuper long lucid dream where I was repeating through the same long scenario all over again but the mood and tone was nice and happy as opposed to scary and weird. All the same locations, the layout of the environments, the same order of events and everything, except the people were different near the end (Since it was happy this time). I couldn't find the one nice person I met the first time through so I just said a name and bam, there they were! lol.

I can't wait to implement this stuff more often. It'll be interesting to see if I can even get back to the same dream again as it was really quite fascinating at the sheer length of it all....and to go through it twice...Too bad I can't exactly describe it in a way that would do it justice.

**Methos** · 08-07-2018 07:01 PM

Great points, all of them. I especially like the artwork step. This has never occurred to me before. Will add it to my bag of tricks.

**DarkestDarkness** · 08-08-2018 03:05 AM

I think overall these are some good points, yeah. Think I'll save the OP somewhere or print it for future reference...

Ironically, despite being a visual artist, I gotta say that nothing I've ever painted or worked on has ever manifested in a dream (just saying this I bet it will now, sod's law...). But I certainly like the intent there too anyway.

One thing I'd like to mention related to the subject is that through subtle mental suggestion I have managed to introduce a dream-sign into my dreams, albeit rare. My method of introducing the sign was mostly through vague auto-suggestion such as "if I see X I'll probably be dreaming because it's so unlikely I'll ever see it during ordinary waking life". I did not force my intention for this to be the case but I did have an intention none-the-less.

Let me clarify one thing on my method though; what I classify as something I'm not likely to ever see during waking life doesn't mean monsters or aliens and so on. I am very likely to see monsters in visual media such as games. I think if the method works for someone, the best auto-suggested dream-signs, potentially, would be ones like items from a profession you don't come into contact with very regularly at all, if ever, and that you are not likely to see on TV or a game every day. I suppose it has to be your own little obscure thing, in a way.

**ZAD** · 08-30-2018 05:36 PM

I like this post, hopefully it will help with one of my dream goals of creating a persistent world with persistent characters and a persona I myself take on. I'd love to see the world in nonlucids as well as manifesting it in lucids consciously, and even maybe using the environment/characters as a dreamsign to get lucid. Also, step 1 seems really useful -- it reminds me of a post I was reading earlier about dream control where the author mentioned naming your powers helps in mastering them.

**LucidJuggalo** · 09-12-2018 06:33 PM

This sounds a bit like what I'm doing for one of my lucid goals. I once attempted to create a separate consciousness in my head (tulpa). Whether or not it was a delusion is up for debate, but I retained the image of her by drawing her. I've long given up with all that stuff because of how mentally taxing and complicated it is, but I created an environment at the time that I planned on incorporating into my dreams. There was an abode, dwelling in a large clearing in a forest that hosted lush flora and a lake. Stretching across the lake was a bridge that led to a small platform with a world of warcraft influenced portal sitting in the middle that I planned to use as the entrance and exit to this domain should the opportunity ever arise.
All this belonged to her and was her sanctuary. I tried to reinforce that idea into my head so that she would be there if I ever visited that place. Sadly, I've never managed to create a portal to that place, but I'm pretty sure that when I finally get there she'll be there waiting. The plan after that was to build up and solidify her character and select a face to add to the drawing, which was the only missing piece.
It would be cool to know if this s*** actually works.

**EbbTide000** · 09-13-2018 09:26 AM

I Googled ⚘"what is a Tulpa"⚘

I found this (3:15) youtube... it says

(0:00) Hey everyone, thanks for tuning in again.
So, I check the deepest corners of the Internet
to come up with new topica for videos.
And today I found something so strange but so fasinating (...)

(0:10) Today we're going to talk about ⚘Tulpas⚘
And how to create one.

A ⚘Tulpa⚘is a mental companion created by focusing thoughts and recurrent interaction. Similar to an imaginary friend but more because unlike an imaginary friend a ⚘Tulpa's⚘ posses their own will, thought and emoutions. Allowing them to act independently.

(0:30) And NO it's not like you're a schizophrenic and have a split personality. The experience of having ⚘Tulpa's⚘ is more like the experience of fictional writer's whos characters come alive and begin talking to them. (0:39)

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https://youtu.be/74-uai6a5PY

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9-Nov-2016 loaded, 3,028 views now.

The important thing about creating ⚘Tulpa's⚘
Is
Reabsorbing them back home
When you have finnished with them
And not abandening them.

They hate being abandoned by their creators

Originally Posted by LucidJuggalo

This sounds a bit like what I'm doing for one of my lucid goals.

I once attempted to create a separate consciousness
in my head (tulpa).

Whether or not it was a delusion is up for debate,
but
I retained the image of her by drawing her.

I've long given up with all that stuff
because of how mentally taxing
and complicated it is,

but

I created an environment
at the time that I planned on incorporating into my dreams.

There was an abode,
dwelling in a large clearing in a forest
that hosted lush flora and a lake.

Stretching across the lake was a bridge
that led to a small platform
with a world of warcraft influenced portal sitting in the middle
that I planned to use as the entrance and exit to this domain
should the opportunity ever arise.

All this belonged to her
and was her sanctuary.

I tried to reinforce that idea into my head
so that she would be there if I ever visited that place.

Sadly,

I've never managed to create a portal to that place,

but

I'm pretty sure that when I finally get there
she'll be there waiting.

The plan after that was to build up and solidify her character
and select a face to add to the drawing, which was the only missing piece.

It would be cool to know if this s***
actually works.

LucidJuggalo

I did this here on DV a few years ago

...

**LucidJuggalo** · 09-13-2018 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by EbbTide000

I did this here on DV a few years ago

...

Same here!

**EbbTide000** · 09-13-2018 11:06 PM

LabyrinthDreams

On 20-October-2010
In a big (21 page, 519 reply),
share dreaming thread

Maleficus, in post (on page 19, post 475)
wrote:

⚘What about Animals Dreams?
Could you maybe go into your
Dogs, Cats or even Birds dreams?⚘

Here is that thread
It was opened 25-Sept-2009

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https://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dr...-tutorial.html

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Anyway LabyrinthDreams

That reply intrigued me soooo o o much
That I went out and bought a little white mouse
To see if I could ⚘share dream⚘with him.

It happened

I think I accidentally made a ⚘Tulpa⚘

But I had to reabsorb his
Because
I couldn't look after him properly.

Here is what I mean
Post 17 of this thread

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https://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dr...275-mouse.html

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⚘⚘⚘ below is post 17

went to a 6 hour Astral Travelling Course to day.*

I found it hard to stay focussed and follow the guided visulisations.*

When Lynette was taking the ten of us, (who were relaxed and lying on the floor), up into the sky, I couldn't do it.

So, instead, I remembered that when we (10) were walking around out side, getting grounded, tactile and sensual with the solid (material) reality, I noticed a black rodent moniter outside-between the Cottage and the toilet.

That reminded me of my rodent "Tupalo" (Tulpa). My imaginary white mouse, Buckello.

So while the others we getting an airiel view of the backyard of the Cottage, I was watching my Tupalo, oops I mean Tulpa, (Buckello) exploring the carpet, inside the room where we 10 were (almost) sleeping, listening to Lynette's voice guide us.

Afterwards I came home and slept.

⚘In one curios Dream Fragment a very small white mouse ran to my index finger, wrapt himself around it (desparatly) and sunk-his-teeth-in.⚘*

In the dream, that was a major "ouch!" but in the dream I didn't jerk because I didn't want to scare away the cute little critter.

After I woke up I (gradually) realised that I had let my little mouse tulpa out (to amuse me during the boring guided visualisation) but then forgot about him when the class moved on to something else.

My little Tupalo, (oops I mean Tulpa, Buckello) came into my dream ater the Astral Travelling, 6 hour course,* frightened*and*DESPARATE*because I forgot about him. He was outside. His home is "inside" me. He ran to me. He was tiny like he was running out of energy.*

In the dream I thought this mouse was sinking his teeth-in because he was hungry and trying to eat my finger.

But that didn't explain why he ran to my index finger and wrapped his little body around it,*dEsParAtelY.

Now, after being awake for a while, I realise that my little Buckello was not trying to eat my index finger. Instead, He found me. Then ran to me. Then wrapped himself around me, for dear life. He sank everything into me, (claws and teeth) because he was desparate to get "home". Home is inside my mind, (my imagination).

Once I understood that
I imagined Buckello on the back of my hand.
I offered him a grain-of-light to eat.

Then, as he nibbled contently on the grain-of-light, He began to glow, so, I gradually placed my other hand over him, gently pushing him into my hand.

Then my hands were (imaginarily) glowing and I knew Buckello was safe and happy, back home.

"Sorry for forgetting you Buckello"

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**Key** · 09-21-2018 03:57 AM

Good stuff! The things you're describing have all worked for me, to the point where I often encounter recurring dream characters in non-lucid dreams. Hilariously(?) enough, this doesn't always make me realize I'm dreaming....