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Hi,
I had come up with the idea of, while lucid dreaming, distort time so that in the dream many months pass by, yet in real life only a few hours. Then I stumbled across with posts in this forum regarding people who dreamed for 30 or 90 years.
How can I do that? Don't worry: I won't escape reality. I'm sure I won't want to dream 'that' much.
Anyone who can control time in his/her dreams? Please share methods/techniques/ideas.
Greetings! :okbyenow:
i had a non lucid dream a couple of nights ago that lasted like 5+ hours i think.
Well, I have to admit I don't believe in those stories, sorry.
It's very hard to prove it too. If you have done it the brain would have to store up a SH*TLOAD of information over a small amount of time. In my opinion, not possible.
I'd like to tell you stop trying to wish for things you would never want. Some people can see the past and future without wanting to. Ones mans curse is anothers glory. Would it be a curse or glory to you? Be careful it may be a real curse.
Some people are simply pathological liars.
Other people have fallen victim to a complete genre of literature which at least tacitly demands that one prevaricate and disemble in order to make friends and be successful.
So, it is extremely likely that nobody has ever had a dream which seemed to last 80 or 90 years. But such a thing is easy to say, and what we find with your post is that some people actually believe such assertions.
You know, it only rewards the people who claim such things, when they are allowed to be believed. Unfortunately, when people have very little experience of their own, they don't know what to believe. However, one can only suppose that to be away from one's real life for 80 or 90 subjective years would be a traumatic and life-interrupting experience. You would not see somebody writing only a line or two about such a thing. It would not amount to just another dream. How could it. After 80 or 90 years in a dream, one could not return to one's own Real Life again. How would you even know how to drive to work. You would have forgotten your phone number. You wouldn't remember which key went to what. You wouldn't know which car in the parking lot was yours. 80 or 90 years is a long time to be away. At school or work, if one remembered where school or work was, how could you keep from being entirely useless.
So, just on the face of this, if somebody can casually write in and say they had a dream of a duration of 80 or 90 years, well, not only are they lying, but they did not even bother to think it through enough to be clear what the ramifications of such an assertion would entail.
The only thing worse than a liar is a stupid liar.
While I agree with Leo, let me note that time distortion is possible to a certain degree.
You can slow down time if you have a high enough level of control. You can also stop time if you're an experienced lucid dreamer.
You can also fasten time in the sense that you can teleport, move extremely fast or gain information faster than in real life since the information is already inside you when you're dreaming. You can also create the illusion of a longer time spent (The movie trick as explaned by LaBerge) when actually you didn't.
But you can NOT stretch time itself in the way some people hope it to be possible. Your brain works at a certain speed and you can not process in 30 minutes of REM-time the information of what would otherwise be an 60 minutes REM-cycle. To enjoy the dream and really live within it, you have to be inside it at the usual speed. And this speed is about as fast as real life speed when you're dreaming. The length of the REM period does determine the length of the 'real' dream action.
So while you can slow down time, you actually don't "lose" sleep time by processing less in the same time. You just make everything in the dream slower, thoughts, items and so on but your FEELING of time will stay the same and must stay the same. And this is limited by REM-time which is at the most 45 minutes, if you're very lucky a bit more.
I'm not an expert at all, but I know that I've had non-lucid dreams in which I've aged to being an old man (err, woman... not sure what happened in the dream, but I had a sex change).
So, still not having any expertise on this, I can't see how it would be any different in a lucid dream. Unless it's a pretty complicated thing to do that your brain would do for you while in a normal dream, and that you would have to do yourself in a lucid dream.
Some of you are mixing up the different meanings of time.
1) Distorted time as in: your dream is not a gap-free continuum of time like real life but rather a dream in which it feels and looks as if a longer time passed when in dream reality it didn't.
Example: You dream that you live from a young boy up to an aged man.
Even if you think it was real, it definately was not. Your brain tricks you into believing that you spent decades in a dream because the dream is supposed to be realistic and your mind uses things like this to make it seem realistic. It is like a movie... It lasts 90 minutes but it usually contains several days or years.
This type of time distortion is possible in any form.
2) Real time distortion: your dream is a gap-free continuum of time like real life, expect it lasts a lot longer than usual dreams.
This is not possible. The illusion created by your mind in the case (1) make it seem possible but in fact you will not be able to remember more than about 30-45 minutes of real dream action at the most (this is the REM-cycle duration). You did not forget the rest, there is no rest.
It is possible to slow down time though which means that you will experience everything at a slower speed while your feeling for time itself will most likely stay the same.
3) Exception: Dreams connected through multiple REM-cycles are rare but technically possible, especially by LDing. If you don't wake up between the dream and have very good recall, you will remember the dream as a whole, as multiple connected dreams.
This is rare but possible. Still, it is expremely unlikely that one remembers as much as 60 or 90 minutes of dream action without waking up multiple times. The remembrance of dreams is not important enough to fill up so much space in the brain uselessly.
Hi,
As for the 90-year dream, I just said that as an example.
I think that if one can create the ilussion of a longer time spent in a dream, let's say 5 hours, the same mechanism can be used for a longer amount of time, from a week to a year or more... theoretically... I think... or not... Or not?
Anyway, I suposse we all agree that a few hours are a reasonable amount of time a person can feel to have spent in a dream... although maybe not to spend the entire hours but only 45 minutes with "the movie trick" (gaps).
...That leads us (me, actually) to ask: How to do it? How to create the ilussion of a longer time spent in a dream? I'm right now thinking about an idea of using some sort of interactive calendar or clock... :hrm:
I must add that I do believe it is possible to really distort time (no gaps). But this is only a foundationless belief and please don't challenge it.
This is just a guess, but you could try to imagine something you want to do in the next week in dream time, and maybe you'll warp to the next week with the sensation a week has passed, if your brain cooperates. But I think such a warp would have a high chance of removing your lucidity, if it works at all.
Here we go again with Leo thinking everyone in the world are liars. :roll: I'm sorry, but it gets rather old after awhile.Quote:
Originally posted by Leo Volont
Some people are simply pathological liars.
Other people have fallen victim to a complete genre of literature which at least tacitly demands that one prevaricate and disemble in order to make friends and be successful.
So, it is extremely likely that nobody has ever had a dream which seemed to last 80 or 90 years. But such a thing is easy to say, and what we find with your post is that some people actually believe such assertions.
You know, it only rewards the people who claim such things, when they are allowed to be believed. Unfortunately, when people have very little experience of their own, they don't know what to believe. However, one can only suppose that to be away from one's real life for 80 or 90 subjective years would be a traumatic and life-interrupting experience. You would not see somebody writing only a line or two about such a thing. It would not amount to just another dream. How could it. After 80 or 90 years in a dream, one could not return to one's own Real Life again. How would you even know how to drive to work. You would have forgotten your phone number. You wouldn't remember which key went to what. You wouldn't know which car in the parking lot was yours. 80 or 90 years is a long time to be away. At school or work, if one remembered where school or work was, how could you keep from being entirely useless.
So, just on the face of this, if somebody can casually write in and say they had a dream of a duration of 80 or 90 years, well, not only are they lying, but they did not even bother to think it through enough to be clear what the ramifications of such an assertion would entail.
The only thing worse than a liar is a stupid liar.
It seems unreal but ive had LDs that lasted many 100's of years...one that was over 800, many people on the boards here have had long ones as well i hear.
but there only partialy controlled because there just past things percieved in many possible ways in your mind over and over being revealed to the concious mind in a moments time. If you want to learn REAL lucid time distortion, me and a few older and more experienced LDers figured out a way not too long ago, although not lasting as long as the LDs ive had before, there even more benificial. If you want to learn just PM me and give me your msn or something.
Living 100's of years in a dream is perfectly possible, it just means you don't live every minute of it. You end up with a crappy 100 year dream as opposed to a rich, powerful 10 minute dream.
And by the way, a 20 minute nap can feel like hours very easily. Try polyphasic sleep for a while, and you'll know what I mean.
This is really just a question of what the mind is capable of. Everyone here knows, and beleives that the subconscious mind can create an entire world from thought and mental process. Yet despite this no one is willing to beleive the same mind that created the dream world could possibly control the dream time continuum. This is not to say the mind can create an entire lifetime in one REM period, but a mind for example working at higher capacity than usual could create scenarios that would take place over a seemingly longer period of time than that which has actually elapsed; for the sole reason that more has taken place. After all the mind is working in the unlimited world of dreams.
The mind isn't working in the dream. It's working in the real world and it is restricted by biological and physical limits and usufulness. Dreaming is a natural process that evolved through the development of animals. It's not a funbox that human invented some time ago. Dreaming makes only sense to a limited degree and doing things like that are impossible and neglect the importance of real life. It's just as abusive as taking sleep pills to dream more. It's an escape from real life and your unconscious is actually the "part" that wants you to go out and fuck real ladies. Spending 2 real hours in a dream is non-sense for you couldn't remember more than a quarter of it anyway. Plus it doesn't work.Quote:
Originally posted by Ryden
After all the mind is working in the unlimited world of dreams.
Fine, the mind is working in the real world, creating the world of dreams. The wording changed, but my point remains the same.Quote:
Originally posted by Korittke
The mind isn't working in the dream. It's working in the real world and it is restricted by biological and physical limits and usufulness.
Interesting concept, but who would want to? I mean... even if it were possible (assuming it isn't), I wouldn't really want to live for 300+ years whilst dreaming, then another 70+ years for my normal life...Quote:
Originally posted by Bernarddo
Hi,
I had come up with the idea of, while lucid dreaming, distort time so that in the dream many months pass by, yet in real life only a few hours. Then I stumbled across with posts in this forum regarding people who dreamed for 30 or 90 years.
How can I do that? Don't worry: I won't escape reality. I'm sure I won't want to dream 'that' much.
Anyone who can control time in his/her dreams? Please share methods/techniques/ideas.
Greetings! :okbyenow:
When your mind is processing at an accelerated rate your peception of time will change.
I read something before about psychology which says that if you watch a clock with a smooth moving second hand instead of the tick-tock kind, and clear your thoughts while doing so the pointer will appear to slow down to an almost complete stop.
I think that during an dream it is possible for something similar to happen. I once had a dream that felt like it was one week long but it was actually just five minutes, weather this was due to "the movie trick" or something similar I don't know.
Too bad I didn't know about LD's back then.
Have you ever almost or gotten in a car collision or some other real life experience that seemingly threatens your life?Quote:
Originally posted by Ryden
Fine, the mind is working in the real world, creating the world of dreams. The wording changed, but my point remains the same.
It is as if you see things in slow motion. It is as if you had 100 thoughts in a matter of seconds.
Your brain can imagine scenarios and place them in context to a time frame that it feels fit.
This may possibly explain the cause and effect of dreaming and time dilation.
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Have you ever almost or gotten in a car collision or some other real life experience that seemingly threatens your life?
It is as if you see things in slow motion. It is as if you had 100 thoughts in a matter of seconds.
Your brain can imagine scenarios and place them in context to a time frame that it feels fit.
This may possibly explain the cause and effect of dreaming and time dilation.
I know what you mean by time appearing to slow at times like this. I'm not normally an agile person but once someone threw a rock at me form a distance of know more than two metres, things seemed to slow down and I dodged it with ease. Really freaky.
Also try jumping off a wall or some other high place (Not too high obviously), you will feel as if you are in the air for quite some time but who ever watches you do it will say you are in the air for like half a second.
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Originally posted by calh
Well, I have to admit I don't believe in those stories, sorry.
It's very hard to prove it too. If you have done it the brain would have to store up a SH*TLOAD of information over a small amount of time. In my opinion, not possible.
you clearly have never gotten your consciousness out of the flow of time
im sorry
as for doing it in a dream, i would suggest using your imagination, your ideas would work just as well as anyone elses
be creative :D