Thread: Ultimate Control

Ah, I remember posting about this once. In my second lucid dream (before I knew what LDs were) I had a dream character who helped me by teleporting me to places. In fact, amazingly, the topic I made about it is still around:

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...ic=6895&hl=

I haven't actually tried it since, but I assume it would be an effective method. If you don't believe you can do something yourself, then get a dream character who is an 'expert' in the subject, who you will believe can do whatever it is.

I have experienced this myself and DCs can prove very useful, however I believe that the answer to real control is as simple as realizing the true nature of the dream (this is that it is a creation of your mind) and by doing this, you should be able to do anything.

I do believe that this may be difficult to achieve as our mind is clouded when we dream (this is my own experience, ignore me if it's not your case). You see, when I have a lucid dream, it's all action and no thought, which makes me unable to realize the true nature of the dream. I end up doing stupid thing and not beeing able to do what I want.

Dear Kastro,

Well, we need to wonder whether this is purely a technique for Dream Control or whether The Higher Dream Mind is trying to emphasize, particularly for your own benefit, that you should make a habit of reaching out to other people.

So let's examine this possibility. In Waking Life do you often rely upon other people, or are you insular and independent?

And then there is the concern for what you are contributing to the Dream. In my dreams I have been experiencing a great deal of team work with the Dream Characters, where the Dream Characters have their distinct talents and make their contributions to the progress of the Dreams, but I have developed an expertise all of my own -- I seem to be the expert at diplomacy, talking, or in particulary tense situation I become the Security Consultant... the soldier... the body guard.

But it was not always this way. Now I am an old man. What I suppose is that over the years I was able to incorporate and integrate some of the more admirable Dream Characters into my own Persona.

In your dreams, where the Dream Characters have nearly all of the Powers, the ultimate goal of your program of Lucid Dreaming should be to integrate the best of your dream characters into your own persona. And that doesn't really require much of a deliberate technique. One only has to work with and admire such Dream Characters and the magnetism of the affinity does the rest... over the years.

One's Dream Persona can change and develop over time. This can be verified by looking into Dream Mirrors, or even shiny plates of glass... glass doors... long glass windows... and see yourself. You might be surprised that it is not a likeness of your Waking Self that is looking back at you from your Reflection.

Anyway, it is a wonderful acknowledgment that Dreams have a Subjective Reality and that the Dream is influenced by the Dream as much or more than it can be by the Individual Dream Persona. Many Lucid Dreamers are entirely solipsistic, supposing that the entire Dream Scence, characters and all, are completely insubstantial, and their own imagination the only factor. Enter your point of view, and now the Dream has all the Power. Good, this should bring some balance to our Philosophy of Lucid Dreaming.

Good Post. We will all have to focus more on Dream Team Work. Besides, it is good for Civilization -- the practice of Cooperation, instead of the more destructive impulses toward independence and freedom.. traits more token of the Barbarian World then of the Civilized.

Ultimate control? I don't think it's possible within a High Level environment, especially when considering High Level lucidity only associates the awareness level and not the level of potential in which you cannot obtain ultimate control during High level states. But I like the reference of Dream Character doing the dirty work, in which I can say during my experiences does work fully only when they want to cooperate and making them comply is a lot more difficult then it seems. You still must be able to posses a great deal of control far more than just telepathy with the Characters but some form of assimilation.

I have experimented with this last night when I went to sleep. I was actually able to gain a little bit higher level of Lucidity that usual.

The reason I decided to even experiment with dream characters was because in 1 lucid dream I had, the character was laughing at me because I couldn't do what I wanted. So I yelled at them to try it themselves, and they did it flawlessly. What I was trying to accomplish was merely turn it to night instead of day.

But I think even with the highest level of Lucidity, it would be possible still. I haven't achieved it yet, so I could be 100% wrong on it.

I gotta ask: what do you do when there's no DCs around? What happens if they refuse or do something else?


My DCs can use powers, but they arent as good as mine...

Originally Posted by Leo

Dear Kastro,

Well, we need to wonder whether this is purely a technique for Dream Control or whether The Higher Dream Mind is trying to emphasize, particularly for your own benefit, that you should make a habit of reaching out to other people.

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I make my clone do it

Pretty interesting Kastro. I'll give it a try sometime.

Originally Posted by Leo

Dear Kastro,

Well, we need to wonder whether this is purely a technique for Dream Control or whether The Higher Dream Mind is trying to emphasize, particularly for your own benefit, that you should make a habit of reaching out to other people.

So let's examine this possibility. In Waking Life do you often rely upon other people, or are you insular and independent?

And then there is the concern for what you are contributing to the Dream. In my dreams I have been experiencing a great deal of team work with the Dream Characters, where the Dream Characters have their distinct talents and make their contributions to the progress of the Dreams, but I have developed an expertise all of my own -- I seem to be the expert at diplomacy, talking, or in particulary tense situation I become the Security Consultant... the soldier... the body guard.

But it was not always this way. Now I am an old man. What I suppose is that over the years I was able to incorporate and integrate some of the more admirable Dream Characters into my own Persona.

In your dreams, where the Dream Characters have nearly all of the Powers, the ultimate goal of your program of Lucid Dreaming should be to integrate the best of your dream characters into your own persona. And that doesn't really require much of a deliberate technique. One only has to work with and admire such Dream Characters and the magnetism of the affinity does the rest... over the years.

One's Dream Persona can change and develop over time. This can be verified by looking into Dream Mirrors, or even shiny plates of glass... glass doors... long glass windows... and see yourself. You might be surprised that it is not a likeness of your Waking Self that is looking back at you from your Reflection.

Anyway, it is a wonderful acknowledgment that Dreams have a Subjective Reality and that the Dream is influenced by the Dream as much or more than it can be by the Individual Dream Persona. Many Lucid Dreamers are entirely solipsistic, supposing that the entire Dream Scence, characters and all, are completely insubstantial, and their own imagination the only factor. Enter your point of view, and now the Dream has all the Power. Good, this should bring some balance to our Philosophy of Lucid Dreaming.

Good Post. We will all have to focus more on Dream Team Work. Besides, it is good for Civilization -- the practice of Cooperation, instead of the more destructive impulses toward independence and freedom.. traits more token of the Barbarian World then of the Civilized.
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i dont rely on anyone. i am the master of my dreams and the dreamworld, dreamobjects and dreamcharachters. if i made a dc charachter do something for me, it would only be because i didnt feel like doing it myself. I am a barbarian - free of all dependence on dream charachters, or as i like to call them, figments of my imagination. I do not find it necesary to rely on anyone in my dreams, tho i often find myself at odds with certain dream characters. I suppose that means my higher mind doesnt want me reaching out to others then?
Even so, there is definitely truth in what u say in that u should try to incorporate all dream characters into your persona, and i find this is a very intelligent way of putting something ive wondered about for a long time. Thou there are dream charachters we find in our waking lives, there are also charcters ive never met before, people who in all probability dont exist... early on, i considered these characters compilation personas, as in a mixture of people i had met in my waking life, but now i believe them to be different parts of my own personality... people that represent one part of me. I find it interesting that these characters are the ones I find most often in dreams... the reoccuring characters, the lead roles, if u will.
Of course there are others who i see frequently in my dreams, my close freinds family members. But in dreams i often find my self at odds with or helping out certain dream charcters that i believe represent parts of myself... these characters are the only DC's that i consider important, while i could care less if another character died in a dream, as they are only my perception of another person in my waking life. But in my dreams i refuse to kil or allow to die those parts of myself, because i feel if i do they may be damaged in real life, something i would not want to happen... I also find myself battling to keep certain sides of me in check, for instance, the carnal, "evil" part of me... the "id" of the freudian psychological system. (thou in my dreams there are more then three of these reoccuring dream characters, so i dont take the freudian system completely to heart) I've often found myself fighting him in my dreams, as if im trying to suppress him or hold him down... id like to hear what u have to say about this leo

Hmmm strange i was just wondering the other day if there was a way of getting dream characters or some sort of machine to do all the lucid work for you... cool as

I find it funny when I see dream characters referred to as seperate entities. There is NOTHING in the dream that is NOT YOU. The illusion of seperation seeps from our waking conciousness into our dreaming mind. Maya is powerful indeed.

Originally Posted by Aneas

I find it funny when I see dream characters referred to as seperate entities. There is NOTHING in the dream that is NOT YOU. The illusion of seperation seeps from our waking conciousness into our dreaming mind. Maya is powerful indeed.
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aneas haha that sounds like anus. just like enus from the dooks of hazzard hahahaha

Originally Posted by mountain

aneas haha that sounds like anus. just like enus from the dooks of hazzard hahahaha
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Sorry, but do you ever post on topic

This might sound kinda dumb, but I don't really get who/what a dream character is.

Dream characters are people you see and interact with in your dreams.

If you are asking what they represent then I dont know for sure.

its and interesting idea and concept, mabye this is everyones 'guardian angel' that cant appear in real life but in your dreams and takes the form of someone you most admire, i am very intrigued by this and will try it tonight and hope that i can have my own guardian angel.

Originally Posted by mountain

aneas haha that sounds like anus. just like enus from the dooks of hazzard hahahaha
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Mountain,

Is 4 your lucid age or your mental age?

if a guardian angel exists then a devil must exist too here are my devils and angels:

angels: magnaangemon, flamedramon

devils: bat monster, sephiroth, freddy krueger

i told flamedramon to do something in my dream, it invovled blowing up a mountain, he did but it wasnt an order more of a friendly suggestion

mabye piemans right how there good and band angels in your mind, oh i cant wait for tonight, im such a nerd, but i think its very possible after all dark cannot exist without light and light cannot exist without dark

you are never going to stop quoting kingdomhearts are you... anyway think of this, if you beat your light side or your dark side in your sleep, how would it affect you in real life...

Originally Posted by jellyfishgamble

This might sound kinda dumb, but I don't really get who/what a dream character is.
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The characters in your dream. (eg people, animals, and pretty much anything else that is alive)

atleast thats my definition

i hardly ever quote kingdom hearts, but when i do i make sure it fits the subject matter, and whats wrong with quoting good lines anyway