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      This may be a very difficult concept for those of you just starting out. I have full control of time in my LDs but i have been LDing for as long as I can remember.

      Alright, time control in LDs!

      first off, time is the 4th dimension. its a dimension that can be traveled through just like the 3rd dimension. The only differnce being: you've never done it in real life. You can visulize time as a river, your position in it as a boat. you can drift with the current normally, do down stream or upstream quickly or even hold back so time goes slow.

      You can think of time as a funky blue neon quantum tunnel inside you(ish). Then use that to travel up and down. Or, you can use whatever interpretation of time you want. The key elements being : its a line that you have free movement along.

      Now, this will most assuredly be a very difficult matter for many of you so you can use aids to help you.

      The time dagger. This nifty little dagger (from prince of persia, great game) has a buttons on the hilt that rewind time and slow it down. It can be used to manipulate time easily but more importantly to help find your own iner timeline so you can manipulate time freely.

      And, of course, if all else fails... use the easy button. good ol easy will manipulate time however you belive it will with a single press. "that was easy". Plus, it will give you a free pina colada, free of charge. <3 pina coladas.

      time control is really fun. you can ask a dream character an inner secret, then after they tell you rewind time and tell them the secret. They&#39;ll be shocked =P. discover the unlimited boundries of time. And remember, its really easy when you can believe that it is. Anything in an LD is.

      hmm, its sorta short but it should be all you need to get started on time if you are ready. And really, all you need to be ready is to be able to believe.

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      You&#39;re talking about "intending a scenario" and having your wish manifested in an LD..

      Depends on what you intend as to what you get..

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      Quote Originally Posted by arby View Post
      This may be a very difficult concept for those of you just starting out. I have full control of time in my LDs but i have been LDing for as long as I can remember.
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      I&#39;m interested in time control in LDs. My results so far have been poor.

      Can you extend time - what is longest subjective duration of one of your LDs?

      Can you rewind before the dream began? If so what do you see?

      Can you fastforward time and watch environment change at high speed? Eg plants growing, seasons changing?

      Can you freeze time for DCs, but keep moving yourself?

      What other interesting time distortions have you done?

      Interesting topic
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      Quote Originally Posted by Asclepius View Post
      I&#39;m interested in time control in LDs. My results so far have been poor.

      Can you extend time - what is longest subjective duration of one of your LDs?

      Can you rewind before the dream began? If so what do you see?

      Can you fastforward time and watch environment change at high speed? Eg plants growing, seasons changing?

      Can you freeze time for DCs, but keep moving yourself?

      What other interesting time distortions have you done?

      Interesting topic
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      Well technically I could do any of that. The only use i really use for time control I find though is small reverses. These I do Instantly. No thinking, I barely think in my dreams. Thinking leads to bad things.

      Lets say you want to get to a building but its all they way accross town. Heres what goes through my mind: "aww its all the way over there. I wish it was through this door right beside me. Hell... it is now." And I walk through the door before my mind can contradict me. XD

      When I DO go before my dream started I usually end up as a 3rd party watching what happened.

      I never freeze time myself. I&#39;ve had dreams where everyone but me gets frozen because of other causes but doing something all-powerful like freezing time goes against my general guidelines for haveing fun LDs =D.

      For control: As Nike says.. "Just do it" =P

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      What about stretching the time in the LD, so you can have a very long one?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bonsay View Post
      What about stretching the time in the LD, so you can have a very long one?
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      You mean staying asleap longer? That just comes with making sure you dont wake up which goes hand in hand with not abusing your powers and confusing your mind about reality. =P

      but this thread is about controling time which isn&#39;t real because its in your LD. I guess you could make everything go 2x faster so it seems your LD is twice as long in the timeframe that you are LDing for but thats more likely to just wake you up early so I dont suggest it.

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      I meant having a longer LD. Like stretching time in the dream. I don&#39;t know maby imagining a clock that represents your Dream time (time spent in the dream), so then you slow it down and everything else would continue at normal pace.
      Sorry if I&#39;m not making sense ( ).
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bonsay View Post
      I meant having a longer LD. Like stretching time in the dream. I don&#39;t know maby imagining a clock that represents your Dream time (time spent in the dream), so then you slow it down and everything else would continue at normal pace.
      Sorry if I&#39;m not making sense ( ).
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      I still am not sure exactly what youre talking about but I think I might sorta understand.

      I think its yes.

      As long as its internal to the dream, its a yes. Anything is for that matter =P

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      Time travel/manipulation is something that I&#39;d like to try in an LD sometime. I think it&#39;d be especially interesting to experiment with time dilation during an epic battle with someone (maybe the prince of persia ).

      I wonder if logic would get in the way of my control, though, as I tend to think that time dilation (or time travel as we know it) is impossible if time is simply 1 dimension.

      When you slow down time in your dreams, does it ever affect anything else? For example, can you jump higher because it seems like gravity is lowered, or punch through walls because it seems like you have more time to gather momentum?
      Of course, this is all possible with enough concentration, but I&#39;m curious as to how your mind treats time.
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      I read somewhere that this one fellow made his dream last 200 YEARS.
      It was on night. about 8 hours. it lasted, in dream time, 200 years.

      wonder if that is possable?
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      Quote Originally Posted by AnonymousTipster View Post
      I wonder if logic would get in the way of my control, though, as I tend to think that time dilation (or time travel as we know it) is impossible if time is simply 1 dimension.

      When you slow down time in your dreams, does it ever affect anything else? For example, can you jump higher because it seems like gravity is lowered, or punch through walls because it seems like you have more time to gather momentum?
      Of course, this is all possible with enough concentration, but I&#39;m curious as to how your mind treats time.
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      logic only gets in the way if you let it =P

      hmm, I think then when I slow down time those things do happen. I dunno, whenever I slow down time its usually to start leaping over enimies and slashing at them prince of persia style. =D

      It might just seem like gravity is lower because you stay in the air longer.

      EDIT cause i was writing this when keeper replied: Yes, that is very possible. I&#39;ve had some that last about 5 days give or take. But remember that no matter how long it all still has to fit into 8 hours. He would have either to skip many chunks of time or fast forward through menial tasks automatically. (lets say he had to bouild a great pyrmid out of brick, the first chunk of bricks would be laied in real time, the second chunk of bricks would be laid in real time with unimportant chunks ommited or fastforwarded. (but you would still think that you lived those chunks fully. thats important). Then the third chunk of bricks would be like three scenes of the most important actions each like a second long. (picking up the brick, haveing it pasted or whatever thats called, laying it)

      You would probably skip a chunk of time. Maybee even as far as halfway done (or even done for that matter, though thats a streach). If at that point, you wanted to recall building up to that point heres what would happen: your mind would fill in what would of happened as you&#39;re trying to remember it so you think it really happened. Lets say you wanted to remember what it looked like after 5 layers, your mind would show you what it thinks it would have looked like and you accept that it happened because you have "memory of it". Its quite weird actually. Anyways that would continue untill the pyramid was done and you&#39;d think... DAM that took a while. XD

      So theres how you can spend "100 years" building a pyramid in under 5 minutes. The minds neat, huh?

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      Quote Originally Posted by arby View Post
      logic only gets in the way if you let it =P

      hmm, I think then when I slow down time those things do happen. I dunno, whenever I slow down time its usually to start leaping over enimies and slashing at them prince of persia style. =D

      It might just seem like gravity is lower because you stay in the air longer.

      EDIT cause i was writing this when keeper replied: Yes, that is very possible. I&#39;ve had some that last about 5 days give or take. But remember that no matter how long it all still has to fit into 8 hours. He would have either to skip many chunks of time or fast forward through menial tasks automatically. (lets say he had to bouild a great pyrmid out of brick, the first chunk of bricks would be laied in real time, the second chunk of bricks would be laid in real time with unimportant chunks ommited or fastforwarded. (but you would still think that you lived those chunks fully. thats important). Then the third chunk of bricks would be like three scenes of the most important actions each like a second long. (picking up the brick, haveing it pasted or whatever thats called, laying it)

      You would probably skip a chunk of time. Maybee even as far as halfway done (or even done for that matter, though thats a streach). If at that point, you wanted to recall building up to that point heres what would happen: your mind would fill in what would of happened as you&#39;re trying to remember it so you think it really happened. Lets say you wanted to remember what it looked like after 5 layers, your mind would show you what it thinks it would have looked like and you accept that it happened because you have "memory of it". Its quite weird actually. Anyways that would continue untill the pyramid was done and you&#39;d think... DAM that took a while. XD

      So theres how you can spend "100 years" building a pyramid in under 5 minutes. The minds neat, huh?
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      ive had only going into the past dreams so far...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Keeper View Post
      I read somewhere that this one fellow made his dream last 200 YEARS.
      It was on night. about 8 hours. it lasted, in dream time, 200 years.

      wonder if that is possable?
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      The only thing I find weird about this is memory. If you remember everything from your dream for 200 years wouldn&#39;t you forget most of what has happened in real life?

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      Quote Originally Posted by EVIL View Post
      The only thing I find weird about this is memory. If you remember everything from your dream for 200 years wouldn&#39;t you forget most of what has happened in real life?
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      thats an interesting concept but like many dreams, you probably wake up with with it in fragments (if you even remember ANY of it). someone earlier posted about memorizing a song they made up ina LD and then waking up only to not remember a single note of it. Maybe its like that. But it obviously shows how crazy time is. Living 200 years in your LD in one nights worth of sleep. (if that)

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      Quote Originally Posted by EVIL View Post
      The only thing I find weird about this is memory. If you remember everything from your dream for 200 years wouldn&#39;t you forget most of what has happened in real life?
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      Well, if you read what I said before, you don&#39;t actually have memory of 200 years. You just have fragments and would assume that you simply forgot the rest.

      And this is whats so freaky about this topic

      And remember also, it took one nights sleep. The most memory you could possibly have is a nights worth. And thats if you can remember the whole dream.

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      I&#39;ve heard people claim they have been in a lucid dream for over a year - in one night. Definitely interesting, no? You should try it.

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      I have an idea about how to try something like this. It isn&#39;t that clever but my idea is that after you find out you are lucid you reach into your pants and pull out a clock. The front side shows how long your dream is going to last in the real world (it wouldn&#39;t really show the actual length of the dream but just believe that it says the actual length, the front of the clock doesn&#39;t matter that much).

      Then if you turn it around there is another clock, but this side shows how long your lucid dream is going to last. Make sure when you turn the clock over to see this side you believe that the minute hand is on a small number like five or four. The hour hand doesn&#39;t really matter, in fact you shouldn&#39;t even have an hour hand. Just break it off and drop it on the ground.

      So between the 12 and where the minute hand is pointing is how long your dream is going to last in dream time (again, not really but just imagine that it is going to last that long). It should be at a small number. Then you can move the minute hand around clockwise to the 12. That means your dream will last sixty minutes. Then there&#39;s a dial on the side that says "minutes" but you can switch it to "hours". Then the minute hand should change so it&#39;s at the 1. Then move it to the 12 again. Now your dream will be 12 hours long.


      That is something I have been thinking about to use to change the dream time but since I haven&#39;t had a lucid dream I have no idea if it will work and I don&#39;t think it will but there is always a possibility.

      But a million things could go wrong while trying to work it. The clock might not look like it&#39;s supposed to, the text could be all jumbled, etc.

      The idea is to use the clock as a tool to trick your mind into thinking that you have the ability to change the dream length in the dream so it feels like 12 hours.

      I was also thinking about using something like this with dream pills. Pull a bottle of pills out of your pocket and believe that they will increase the vividness of the dream. Take one. Pull out a different bottle and believe that those pills will increase your memory so you will remember every detail of the dream. You can do this for some other stuff to like lucidity so you won&#39;t drift back into the dream stage and loose lucidity. It is kind of like placebos. The pills work because you believe they work.

      Again I don&#39;t know if these would work because I haven&#39;t been able to test them out. Maybe someone else could try these techniques (even if they sound impossible) and post if they work at all.

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      About those dreams that last long (ie day/month/year). Wouldn&#39;t they be like, movies? Like they skip scenes and whatever but the main idea of time is captured, which means it&#39;s not literally taking that long in a dream. Try watching a dream clock in a dream for ten minutes. It might not feel that long, nor would it last ten minutes of real time (or would it?).

      And so I question that 200 years story. You won&#39;t know from experience, but would you go to sleep; feel sleep? Do you think that maybe the dream would be cut up like a movie? (Bicentenial Man )

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      Ive only froze time for everyone but me and those I wished to be with me. I think it came from watching Heroes, LOL&#33; However, I found it hard to make time stay frozen it took constant effort.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xanous View Post
      Ive only froze time for everyone but me and those I wished to be with me. I think it came from watching Heroes, LOL&#33; However, I found it hard to make time stay frozen it took constant effort.
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      It would be much easier to simply conjure up a machine that freezes time. It&#39;ll do all the effort for you as long as you simply continue to beleive its working.

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      Greetings,

      This is a curious topic. In my experience, dream time is different than real-time, or at least for me it has been. My dream time will feel much longer than the real-time it takes to have the dream. A great example is this.. I used to sleep on buses all the time in high school. I would have micro naps, and some times even remember detailed dreams. A specific and very vivid dream I had once felt like it had all taken about 10 min but when I woke up and looked out the window I could see how far the bus had traveled.. less than a block. I literally had dreamt a 10 minute dream in less than 10 seconds. But all our time in our sleep isn&#39;t spent dreaming, and we don&#39;t remember all the dreams, so often it&#39;s hard to tell how long the dreams "felt". Another strange thing is noise. I&#39;ve been woken by noises that sounded distorted, like someone hit a "slow-mo" button on the noise, and I thought it was something totally different than what it was, until I woke up and the noise gradually sped up until I figured out what it was. I think it&#39;s perfectly possible, then, if you had one very long dream rather than all the disconnected ones, that you could perceive the dream to have lasted MUCH longer than it really did in the waking world. This is no way requires that there be gaps in your dream-time. So if our time perception changes while we&#39;re asleep, could it be possible to willfullly alter that perception further, thus changing the length of one&#39;s dream? Or is all this ultimately limited to being relative only to our dream experiences?

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      Time itself is a mere illusion.
      What we see is the changes, and the sequence of changes as a chain reaction. A long time could be measured as 30 days. However, if the quantity of changes were extreme, the relative "long" also adapts, say; turning 30 minutes into 30 days.

      Taking this into account, you can make a dream last several days by simply denying the abstract word "time". &#39;
      I have very dear connection to my dreams. I believe they can answer alot of questions only death would, as long as we let ourselves explore them. And time is certainly an important part of it, as it lets you go deeper into them in a limited amount of "real waking hours".

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      Quote Originally Posted by lily View Post
      Greetings,

      This is a curious topic. In my experience, dream time is different than real-time, or at least for me it has been. My dream time will feel much longer than the real-time it takes to have the dream. A great example is this.. I used to sleep on buses all the time in high school. I would have micro naps, and some times even remember detailed dreams. A specific and very vivid dream I had once felt like it had all taken about 10 min but when I woke up and looked out the window I could see how far the bus had traveled.. less than a block. I literally had dreamt a 10 minute dream in less than 10 seconds. But all our time in our sleep isn&#39;t spent dreaming, and we don&#39;t remember all the dreams, so often it&#39;s hard to tell how long the dreams "felt". Another strange thing is noise. I&#39;ve been woken by noises that sounded distorted, like someone hit a "slow-mo" button on the noise, and I thought it was something totally different than what it was, until I woke up and the noise gradually sped up until I figured out what it was. I think it&#39;s perfectly possible, then, if you had one very long dream rather than all the disconnected ones, that you could perceive the dream to have lasted MUCH longer than it really did in the waking world. This is no way requires that there be gaps in your dream-time. So if our time perception changes while we&#39;re asleep, could it be possible to willfullly alter that perception further, thus changing the length of one&#39;s dream? Or is all this ultimately limited to being relative only to our dream experiences?

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      hmm, good point, I think thats its a combination of the two. I do doubt that you can have a 200 year long dream in one night just from speed =P.

      Change the perception of the dream... To anser it simply, yes.... Complex, not exactly. Yes you can make every thing speed up and fit more time into a certain chunk of time but It wouldn&#39;t feel like it was normal time, it would feel sped up because you had to speed it up and would therefore know that it was sped up.

      Therefore, you lose that nice "this is in real time extended" feel.

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      Quote Originally Posted by lily View Post
      Greetings,

      This is a curious topic. In my experience, dream time is different than real-time, or at least for me it has been. My dream time will feel much longer than the real-time it takes to have the dream. A great example is this.. I used to sleep on buses all the time in high school. I would have micro naps, and some times even remember detailed dreams. A specific and very vivid dream I had once felt like it had all taken about 10 min but when I woke up and looked out the window I could see how far the bus had traveled.. less than a block. I literally had dreamt a 10 minute dream in less than 10 seconds. But all our time in our sleep isn&#39;t spent dreaming, and we don&#39;t remember all the dreams, so often it&#39;s hard to tell how long the dreams "felt". Another strange thing is noise. I&#39;ve been woken by noises that sounded distorted, like someone hit a "slow-mo" button on the noise, and I thought it was something totally different than what it was, until I woke up and the noise gradually sped up until I figured out what it was. I think it&#39;s perfectly possible, then, if you had one very long dream rather than all the disconnected ones, that you could perceive the dream to have lasted MUCH longer than it really did in the waking world. This is no way requires that there be gaps in your dream-time. So if our time perception changes while we&#39;re asleep, could it be possible to willfullly alter that perception further, thus changing the length of one&#39;s dream? Or is all this ultimately limited to being relative only to our dream experiences?

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      Hey, interesting experiences. You reminded me of the two experiences I&#39;ve had:

      First one, I sleep sometimes on the bus, and I am aware while I am. I have short naps, with short dreams, and I dream sometimes of the bus trip itself. I can feel the bus moving over the ground, hear its engine and feel its speed. I dream I&#39;m looking out the window, not vivid and constant, but enough so I feel where I am. I thought it was close to my bus stop - it&#39;s been so far and so long&#33; I wake up: No, I am far from my bus stop, possibly five or ten minutes&#33;

      Second, I meditated once I awoke to my alarm, at about four am, after a lot of sleep. I listened to music. The music sounded much slower. The sound quality was the same - no pitch change, no higher or deeper frequency, yet the tempo seemed changed, close to 10bpm slower I felt. As I slowly woke up more, and got more alert, the music felt more familiar and at its normal pace.

      Hmm... brain chemicals again?

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      Before I came across this topic I&#39;d done a little research on human time perception (not much mind you, but enough to make me feel comfortable replying to the topic )

      I found that all creatures perceive time differently (like flies perceive time slower to use, in that way we struggle to swat them because they are moving much quicker, and also how birds and animals will sense earthquakes or explosions or stuff before we do)

      Also, as we get older our perception of time gets quicker (so we feel like that days take longer and longer, remember as a kid, days took forever)

      Another example, when we get fear or some emotion or feeling causes an adrenaline release, our time perception slows. They (its always them isn&#39;t it?) did an experiment where they put a device on a guys wrist, the device spewed digital numbers on the screen, ever changing, at a speed to quick to read, and threw him off a bridge or a high place (I assume their was a bungee or something to catch him at the bottom) and told him to look along the way, and he could see the numbers because in fear his perception of time changed.

      Yet another example, if you&#39;ve ever been in a car accident, you&#39;ll know that when you&#39;re about to get hit (and go flying off your motorbike doing summersaults in the air) it seems like everything is going slower, you can watch it in slow-motion: that&#39;s because you perceive it more slowly.

      So, I think it is possible to have "long" dreams, perceived that way by your mind, yet still be 30 seconds or however long a dream is in reality (reality in terms of your physically sleeping body).

      So basically, whilst you are actually flying along in your dream (aren&#39;t REM sleep dreams only a matter of seconds) you are "watching" a tape recorded in fast-forward, and are perceving it more slowly.

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      You will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward,
      For there you have been,
      And there you will always long to return


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