Thread: Am I Asking For To Much?

you just need to practice more.

Total # of LDs since joining: 58[/b]

Hm... you've had quite a few, haven't you?
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I am most definitely not the right person to answer this, since my LD count is exceptionally low...

So don't take me too seriously, but,
how hard did you concentrate?
Perhaps instead of just going "woosh!",
you should pause and really imagine it before you
attempt to build it.
But iunno,
just offering another view...
Good luck!!


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Hmmm, yeah control can be hard to actually get... But try to be happy with a hallway full of doors? More oppurtunities I would say.. : )

I have been trying the exact same length of time as you and I have the same problem, but I think you are doing better than me. I am starting to wonder if controls is going to come or not and it is discouraging. But, I guess we've go another opportunity every night, hopefully progress will come with time. I don't have a good sense of how long it took people who do have good control to get there; if they always had it or it took a long time, or if different people are different.

Good luck to both of us.

Or perhaps you are devaluing the dreams at hand in favor of other potentialities that you would wish to occur in your dreams. As far as I know the only thing I have been able to control is my -perspective- everything else is subject to the unconcious mind. I personally believe if you are shown a mundane hallway, there is a point. Symbology exists behind everything we dream.

I get what you are saying, BerserkExodus, if there is not some lack of control, it wouldn't be a dream. I don't think I could have total control, because I couldn't consciously think of all the things that are usually going on in a dream. But it would be nice to be able to fly more and stuff like that.

What I have realized, is that in all my lucid dreams, my subconscience has already created the environment for me, and I just have fun inside of tha environment. Very few instances have I re-done the entire environment. The easiest ones I can think of... is going into outer space (though don't expect anything to realistic). I have made attempts to change environment, and failed a lot.

Bringing up a person or item easy, but changing the environment and plot... that's an entire new level

The easiest ones I can think of... is going into outer space (though don't expect anything to realistic). I have made attempts to change environment, and failed a lot.[/b]

I haven't actually had any ld's with great control, but maybe you could go into space and then come down to earth to a different location so as to make a new environment.

The way I see it is - you need to build up your skills.
Practice small things first - conjuring objects, altering terrain, teleporting. Get your mind accustomed to change. I know it may sound silly to someone with 50+ LDs, but I see benefit in this. I've spent about 100 dreams in the beginning just working on my basic control skills. This is very important, because as you experiment with OTHER peoples techniques you develop YOUR OWN ! And your own technique, once perfected, works much more effective than any equivalent you will find on the net. Some techniques are universal and I see many people here report using them successfully (like attraction flying).



I've tried the door to another place method and it didnt work either - there were normal rooms behind doors. In all my experience I've seen only 1 door that lead from a seemingly normal hallway to some other location and it was already open once I got to it. With the door method you have no control of what will be on the other side, and that greatly diminishes the effectiveness (if it is effective at all)

I got the same results as you did for space exploration - I took off the earth just to find darkness with some superficial stars. Nothing Hubble-like spectacular.

These are early experiments that I did about a couple years ago, if I were to do that again I would use different methods (this time they would be my own).



It takes time for a persons mind to create scenarios/locations or alter the landscape. There's no instant changes. Therefore if you dont wait a couple seconds you may not get the result.


Currently I use a deriviative of the dream reentry technique to alter my dreams. I focus on the setting I want to go to or the change that I want to create. Then I shift my awareness to that new setting. This works most of the time but results are based on the clarity of the mental image used.
For example just thinking of teleporting to my house I may end up anywhere inside or outside and the house may look different.



It's hard to nail the factors that control is based on, but currently I think they are expectations, willpower and focus. All act in synergy. While simple acts of control may happen with just one factor, complex ones require all these three and possibly something else.

Yea, I'd say you should spend just a bit mroe time, maybe 5-10 seconds, really imagininng that you are IN the place you want to be and believing that you are...I'm not super experienced yet but I find that the more fucos I put in the better my results are. As opposed to just arbitrarily declaring, "I'm going to be a hockey player now!" maybe it would work better to actually FEEL that you are, if that makes any sense.

On a side note, I've never tried this, but I suspect it might work: If you want to go somewhere, imagine a TV show or movie about it playing on a TV, then go into the TV! Might be more believable to your mind than conjuring out of nothing.

Originally Posted by blade5x

Lately I've been miserably failing at controlling some of my dreams. Is it possible that I am just asking to much of my subconscience to create for me?[/b]

You're not asking for too much, but don't stress over it. Control can be hard to achieve even for the most experienced among us. Some dreams, where you have a high level of lucidity, will be easier to control than others. But I believe the key is confidence. If you truly believe that something will happen in your dream, the chances are far greater of it happening the way you want than if you are just "hoping" for it.

And as others have said, just keep practicing. You'll get it.