This forum is so awesome. It's opening doors that I never even knew existed. I have several things I want to do in my dreams now. Thanks for the help!
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This forum is so awesome. It's opening doors that I never even knew existed. I have several things I want to do in my dreams now. Thanks for the help!
your welcome! :)
I met my dreamguide again in a dream last night, apparently his name is Loktar, man do I love him. I think he's going to really improve the quality of my lucid dreams.
Coolio!!
I wish I could ask my supposed DG his name, but I think I'm on a dry spell.... no LDs in a couple of weeks.
Hey everyone.
I don't want to argue or disagree with anyone, just think of me as some N00b who wants to gain some info.
Right, first of all, what is this DreamGuide thing all about? Isn't it just a part of your subconscious mind?
If it is, how could it have its own intelligence? How could it know more about you than you do yourself? What do you actually mean by saying that your DG knows more about you than yourself?
Does that mean like, he knows your name/age/personal info. better than you? well that just sounds dumb!
does it mean that it knows what your likes/dislikes/fears/weaknesses are, better than you do yourself? well that can't be possible because you are simply the one who creates these likes/dislikes etc. unless you're just lying to yourself about your own opinions, and you need your subconscious to tell you the truth!
What else does your DG do? could it predict the future? how? it's just a part of your mind, how could it predict anything? .. what else? does it have more information about the world? are you telling me that your DG knows science better than you? could it solve mathematical problems that you can't?
IN MY OPINION: DreamGuide (or SpiritGuide) is just some Dream Character made up by your subconscious mind (with some help from your conscious mind). All the information it has is just the information you have gained through your conscious mind. If you know a mathematical equation, your DG knows it too because it's in your mind. If you DON'T know something, your DG doesn't know it either. It surely does not know anything more about you, because it is a part of you that you (and your subconscious) have created.
In summary what I'm saying is that IN MY OPINION, there's no such thing as a DREAMGUIDE. What you think is your DG is just a normal DC that you've made in your mind , and you've made yourself BELIEVE that it has abilities that you don't have.
I'm sure that a lot of people are going to disagree with me. I wouldn't mind discussing this with anyone so please come and tell me your opinion. I'd be happy to gain more info. about this.
i admire your opinion, and to answer your question what exactly a DG/SG is... basically all in all, its a Spiritual Guide.. I've done extensive research on this matter (because i too, use to think we made it up) and what ive read is, that SG's were with us in our past life.. They were like our greatest friend of all time.. During our past life *you and your SG* came to an agreement that your SG would stay back, and not come forth to this life, but instead...Guide us through the one we are living now.....The only reason why the name Dream Guide comes up, is because we are contacting them with in our Dreams...There are ways of contacting your SG in waking life...you just have to research....
And to answer your other question about, what exactly do they know more about then we do ourselves... Its not the obvious things like *i prefer to eat cheeze on pizza then mushrooms* Its more of a Spirit/Emotion thing that they know...They know your True Being and how your Spirit inside Truly is, despite the way you act and live your everyday life... If you take a look inside yourself,and truly find your Soul Being and your SOULS' emotions, then you can get a glimpse of what your SG knows...But, we've only been alive one life and so many years.. Our SG has known us since our past life, and til this day...So you can kinda see why they would know more about our spirit/emotions and innerself, then we would...
thank you for replying,any questions feel free to pm me..
spiritofthewolf
Well there are many opinions about this subject.
I find hard to believe the supernatural spirit guide, but I don't underestimate the dreamguide either.
Even if DG is just a creation of our subconcious can be really helpfull. Our subconcious is free from society rules and can be a good adviser sometime.
Does our subconcious knows better science than us? Actually yes. Einstain use to think about hard problems in hypnagogig stage.
Can predict the future? I don't think so, but I m not sure. Freud -father of psychanalysis- claimed that when we dream we can develop some kind of telepathy.
If you DON'T know something, your DG doesn't know it either? well I m not sure, because your subconcious don't forget, your consious forgets becouse of fear or bacouse have other priorities.
Well like I said before I don't believe in supernatural. But I believe in "supernatural" power of our own brain. You never know the possibilities. And I think tha DG is very cool think to have anyway. Whatever you believe it is. Don't miss that.
Thanx for replying Spiritofthewolf.
I see. So this whole thing is about our past lives etc. which is something I don't believe in. Maybe that's why I don't find this whole DG thing very realistic.
I don't really want to discuss anything unrelated to LD in here. But I don't really believe that we used to live a past life because simply, there is no LOGICAL evidence to prove it (or at least, nothing I know of).
Anyways I guess this is the point where our opinions differ, but all that matters is we all believe in lucid dreaming, and we're all looking for way to practice it and make the best out of it.
I'd be happy to hear everyone else's opinion about this.
Thanx lubo7
I like the way you think and I agree with you about the "supernatural powers of our brain".
"Einstain use to think about hard problems in hypnagogig stage" yeah I think that's possible, some people also tend to solve problems during their LD. I think that's because you can concentrate better in that state. But I don't think that means your SubC knows more science than you.
"Freud...claimed that when we dream we can develop some kind of telepathy" I really would like to experience that.
"your subconcious don't forget". Yes that's the point I tried to make when I wrote: "All the information it has is just the information you have gained through your conscious mind". But you made it more clear.
I think of DG as another way to communicate with the Subconscious, but there are other ways too. Maybe you can make your SubC become a voice coming from the sky (in ur dream), maybe you can make it send letters to you in your dream and give you its message.(although, reading texts in a dream is not a very good idea). etc etc.
But I guess the easiest way to communicate with your SubC is to WANT it to be a human just like yourself, so you can communicate with it easily. Maybe thats why most people have DG's. Because having a DG is the simplest method to talk your SubC. So we can kind of think of DG as a MESSENGER from your SubC in a form that's easiest for you to communicate with.
That makes a lot more sense to me than saying that DG is something from your past-life and is here to help you! ... however that was only MY opinion, and I respect everyone else's opinion. So keep your opinions coming, I find them very interesting.
all in all, there are answers in life that our minds and bodys seek, that in all reality..we may never know until we die...but again..there are somethings that maybe left unsolved...thnx again for replying..
Dream Lucid, Until You Lucid Dream--SOTW
to virtuozo and lupo7:
Their are TONS of books on spirit guides. I suggest reading one for more clarification than you'll get off this website.
Most say they're just people who are living in the same place where you're dead relatives are (the other side), and are such a good friend to you that they've agreed to help you out in this life (perhaps you helped them out in an other life).
Well there are TONS of book about every religion, are thay all right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhubes
There are TONS of book about satanism...
There are TONS of book about astrology.
Tons of book about almost anything and every theory or opinion today.
That doesn't mean that for every theory that there are tons of book is right.
Couldn't you just ask your dreamguide what they are really :wink: ?
I met mine only once, last week, after 1 month of "searching". The dream was too short, but the first (and last) thing I could ask her was "So who are you ? are you created by my mind, or do you come from elsewhere ?". She answered something like (I'm translating to english here) "Or I come from the edge/contours...". I was a bit perplexed, and awoke at this point.
My opinion, a priori, would be that there is no reason that a particular element of a lucid dream should be of a different nature than other DCs/imagery, so I believe a DG is still a product of the subconcious, only more elaborate.
If they are really from an "astral plane", and assuming they don't lie, they should all answer (roughly) the same thing if we ask them about their nature. If they come from our mind, they("it") should each give a different answer depending of the beliefs/fantasy of the subject.
I'll keep asking her until I get a precise answer (when I meet her again), and I'd like other to do the same so that we can compare :)
I find your description of Dream/Spirit guides very fascinating! I have started reading books about Spiritism, its doctrine, and the whole philosophy behind it. It all ties in very nice with your description of spirit guides, the other side, the creation of our "blueprint"... the Spirit's Book also talks about how each person has a mission on this planet, and how each one has a spirit that is supposed to guide us, to protect us, kinda like a guardian angel, but who is just another spirit who is not currently incarnated. Makes very good sense that they may be able to communicate with us through dreams if the circumstances are right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhubes
This is very interesting.
So i have a question.. :)
Is it possible to meet your dreamguide in non-ld's ? He/she could come out to meet you , right ?
Or even, i could intend to dream about my DG and do so and not become LD ?
somebody posted allready something similar in the middle of some sillyness and that never got answered propperly, so i still in the vague.
yes its possible that your SG/DG could be in your non ld's..i guess my SG/DG had tried contacting me in a dream before but i wasnt really paying attention..she told me about it the first time i had met her in a Lucid dream while sitting down at a table :)
One thing, I dont' want to be a pain and do beleive in DGs but: Don't dreamguides only exist because we think they do ? (damn, I'm forgetting everything exists because we believe they do)....
i can see where you think that ^^^^^^but the true fact is..that our Dream Guides are nothing more then our Spiritual Guides..our Spiritual Guides are with us everyday in waking life---there are ways of contacting them in waking life if you research the topic---the only reason why they carry the name Dream Guide, is because we have came in contact with them in our dreams--which is a form in which our SG likes to communicate with us.
The last two nights I tried contacting mine. The first night was... odd. I can't quite remember it all, but I did ask to see my DG, asked if each person was my DG until someone said yes. This person was a man, and looked sort of like an anime character, or Dante from Devil May Cry games. We didn't seem to do much the rest of the night, it was fun for a bit, but this other guy kept popping up next to him and scaring me.
So last night, I tried again, this time was a bit better. I asked to see my DG, went to a room, there were a bunch of people (and outfits?) including one person that was on me as soon as I came in. Asked are you my DG, they said no, they even tried to get met to listen again, I asked, they said no, and I was just like pffft go away and pushed them. It's important to note, that all the people here were female this time. For some reason or another I thought my DG was an ethnic looking thin woman, don't know why I was thinking that in my dream, but I was. Anyway went up to one that looked right, I think there were pictures, and said, "You look like a Bond girl, but are you my DG?", she said "What do you think?".
Then someone came out that did not appear to be whom I was looking at before, a woman that was short and fat, and she led me down some stairs that progressively got darker, I tried shouting "Light, light, I need light". Because I knew that if it got too dark that I wouldn't be able to see anything, and it'd knock me out of my LD. Some lights were turned on eventually though they were very low. I was led into a room that had a low bluish light covering it, and stepped in. All of a sudden it went out, I was like, "I'm going to wake up, this always happens when it's dark." and on and on. Before long though I heard a voice say something like, "The only downside is that you won't be able to hear the narrator talk for a little while." I'm like, um okay...
After that I ended up in a large room, where it was almost like a mass pop quiz was going on. I thought they were going to ask me these questions, but everyone else in the room answered them instead. Which was good because I had no idea what they were talking about. Though it seemed to be led by the same woman who led me down the stairs into that room. Also mentioned something about a "theyblade", and said to Wiki it. There wasn't anything there though. Then after a while, I felt that I was getting ready to wake up, and announced that I was sorry but I had to get up. Before I could fully get out, a voice said, "Be here tomorrow night."
So... second night was a bit weird, but more what I was expecting I suppose. I'm thinking now of asking if the DG will choose one particular way to look for me, that'd be helpful, cause I don't know what to expect at the moment. It also seemed to know that I was looking for training in being a better LD'er, and seemed to try to teach me something, though it was a little small.
I just had my first real spirit guide conversation/meet n greet two days ago.. Pretty much my first time I really asked/prayed to meet with her too.
I want to ask tons more questions, but I feel like she has a life over there, so I think I'm going to limit our meetings to around once a week.
check out my post in dream journals: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/inde...howtopic=45040
or beyond dreaming: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/inde...howtopic=44996
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Originally Posted by aidanjaye
Wow dude! According to Robert A. Monroe's books (super classic/awesome obe explorer and creator of The Monroe Institute), you might have been witness to dream school!
He has a section in his second book, where he travels out of body to a school (somewhere in one of the "other" dimensions) where people (like everyone!) go when they're sleeping, to learn how to cope with physical life (here on earth), and stuff like that....
So tons of people go to this sleep school, to help resolve issues/stresses/troubles here in the physical all the time in their dreams, but as they return/wake up they always forget! It makes sense that sleeping can be really healing for the mind and body, and a dream school might just be a part of that.
If you have the same experience again, try and find out more and ask some people where you are!
That's what my group is about. Working with dream characters.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/luciddreamingtasks/
I had a strange dream quite a few months ago. I wonder if it was my dreamguide? haven't seen her since. but i think about this dream a lot:
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Dream 3: Don't be Afraid:
I was walking in a suburban area in some city. i was in a truck and being dropped off some where.
I began walking down a street. i noticed on every corner houses had displays of electric pianos. I sat down and started playing one. The owner came out and liked what he heard. he then sat down to play some piano. I didn't like his style. Too contemporary for my taste. but i humored him for a few minutes listening and then i went to the next block.
There was another man standing by a piano. i don't remember much but i think we started talking. we got along very well. As i think back he was the same blond man i see in other dreams. I think he's Nagual Lonewolf. in most dreams he is always an "At your service" character. he sometimes has a few weeks of beard growth but most of the time he's clean shaven. in every dream i seem not to really know who he is.
He invited me into his garage. it was pure white walls with a computer display. i heard a Metallica song playing so i looked at the screen. I can't remember the name of the song but it was from the "Black" Album.
on the screen i saw someone playing an acoustic guitar. he was layering the acoustic riffs over the more chunky guitars. the effects was amazing!
A woman much taller than me entered the room. she stood behind the computer and asked "HEY! why does this song sound so different?" (the dream became super vivid as she entered the room)
Ranma: "It's because The guy on this video is playing an acoustic guitar over the song."
She looked at the computer screen and said "Oh this is cool!"
The blond man seemed to be no longer in the room. The woman pulled a chair from behind a desk and gave it to me so i could sit comfortably and watch the video. i sat in front of the screen and she sat down on something awfully close to where i was sitting. her leg seemed to be rubbing up against mine. I wanted to adjust my posture but couldn't move. it seemed she didn't mind the touch. Suddenly i was sitting a lot closer to her she seemed to be resting her legs on mine. i still couldn't move....
she then adjusted her legs and and Slowly swiveled her behind on what she was sitting. She purposefully lifted her legs up as she did this so that i could have a clear image under her skirt . I turned my head away aroused and embarrased that i had seen her. She didn't mind at all.
I tried to watch the video but the music and the computer were gone. she grabbed my wrists and pulled me up to her. as soon as she did this i began waking up but she pulled me more tightly to her as if trying to keep me in the dream. everything was going black but i could feel her all around me.
She then began whispering in my ear. the effect was so startling that her words and breath seemed to pleasantly cut into my skin and swim through my entire body making me shiver .
Her words "You're hands are shaking (i saw an image of my hands when she said this). You are at a VERRRY vulnerable moment right now.... Don't be afraid of me."
i woke up.[/b]
I decided I would try to find my dream guide. I've only had one lucid dream since I read about it, but managed to remember to look. Didn't find him/her, but here's what happened:
I was completely alone, aside from my mum and a little boy I know, in some kind of basement. I was lucid, and remembered to look for my dream guide. At that same moment, a blonde woman suddenly appeared from around a corner. It scared me at first because I wasn't expecting it. So I asked them "Are you my dream guide?" and she said "No. You have to look for heart," or something like that. So with nothing else to go on, I decided to look for hearts, but from that point on I started seeing hearts everywhere! All the DC's I met from that point had heart pins pinned onto their clothes. Oh well! I look forward to continuing my search!
that last part was very interesting...but hard to tell...but when she said dont be afraid of me...it starts to make you think...maybe try calling her out in another LD