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      yo moma

      Uppon my nightly wilds I've noticed something that is very interesting to me. There are two parts of my brain, I know this is stupid cause there are, but mentally in a lucid dream I have two states. There is one that is realistic, but not extreemly, and I can do any form of dream manipulation possible, And there is one that is extreemly realistic, yet I have only the amount of control I have in the real world. Well I can do some abnormal phisical things like not feeling pain and objects having no weight, but other than that I cant even put my finger through my hand to do an RC. I've come to understand that this
      "Super Reality" part of my brain is most likely my governing subconsious, or the thing that tells me that right now I'm in reality. So far I have had absolutly no succes doing any out of the ordinary dream control while in this state....It kind of pisses me off. Anyone have anything simalar to that happen to them? questions comments?

      If this is confusing just say so and i will simplify it..... A LOT
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      Many people report that the More Lucid you become the more real and the less control you have over the dream. I think this has happened to me before. I think its true for all lucid dreamers.

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      Interesting name for the topic

      I've encountered the same phenomenon. But it's pretty easy to counter with faith/belief in your power.

      Just belive that you have complete control (may require few RCs) and you'll get it.
      Another important thing - dont give up if ur first attempts will fail~

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      Originally posted by Ev
      Interesting name for the topic

      I've encountered the same phenomenon. But it's pretty easy to counter with faith/belief in your power.

      Just belive that you have complete control (may require few RCs) and you'll get it.
      Another important thing - dont give up if ur first attempts will fail~
      What he said.^

      It may take a few tries to get it right. Just believe in yourself, keep trying, and you'll eventually have complete control.

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      No matter how lucid you become there are occasional lapses that imposes limitations in your dreamscape. I find them to be quite entertaining.

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      Yeppers, stuff gets too real for me too at times, sometimes I will be able to sneak in an ability but most of the time nope, and worse still I cannot wake myself, and these tend to end up being one of those long dreams.
      the annoying part is I forget that I am dreaming and I stop trying to do other things and dont get anything accomplished, or I get sidetracked with the timeline/story.
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      Originally posted by Serinanth
      Yeppers, stuff gets too real for me too at times, sometimes I will be able to sneak in an ability but most of the time nope, and worse still I cannot wake myself, and these tend to end up being one of those long dreams.
      the annoying part is I forget that I am dreaming and I stop trying to do other things and dont get anything accomplished, or I get sidetracked with the timeline/story.
      I really agree with you on the getting lost part. Sometimes i just find it useless to even try to stay lucid and just go where the dream takes me.

      Ohh and an interesting thing, I posted this under another title and no on ever responded, guess it seems i lost all credit here, no on really wants to here what i think.
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      Things often get no responses. depends on what other topics are there, and whos online when......and wether or not people like you jk
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      Originally posted by |)347|&#045;|
      Sometimes i just find it useless to even try to stay lucid and just go where the dream takes me.

      Ohh and an interesting thing, I posted this under another title and no on ever responded, guess it seems i lost all credit here, no on really wants to here what i think.
      OR Stay lucid and see where the dream takes you! That can be extremely interesting.

      I know what you mean about no responses, but with 500 posts a day, there is no way to keep up.

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      Whoa sounds interesting!
      If practice makes perfect and nobody is perfect then why practice?

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      In your extreme-realist mode have you tried talking to yourself? By that I mean possibly having a conversation with yourself and ask why you can't do such things? Or summon a dream guide and ask them. I'm not sure if that'd do a whole lot, but it's worth a shot.

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      Originally posted by |)347|&#045;|+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(|)347|&#045;|)</div>
      <!--QuoteBegin-Serinanth
      Yeppers, stuff gets too real for me too at times, sometimes I will be able to sneak in an ability but most of the time nope, and worse still I cannot wake myself, and these tend to end up being one of those long dreams. *
      the annoying part is I forget that I am dreaming and I stop trying to do other things and dont get anything accomplished, or I get sidetracked with the timeline/story.
      I really agree with you on the getting lost part. Sometimes i just find it useless to even try to stay lucid and just go where the dream takes me.

      Ohh and an interesting thing, I posted this under another title and no on ever responded, guess it seems i lost all credit here, no on really wants to here what i think.[/b]
      lol, I'm trying to take most out of such pointless dreams

      like few nights ago I was just arguing and opposing DCs for fun ... there was no purpose in staying in a dream, as there were very little control and the only thing I had was limited movement and speech ability.
      but I had a lot of fun messing with DCs

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      Originally posted by Seeker

      BTW: *We have a new black cat. *I wanted to name it \"death\", but my family wouldn't let me!
      Awwww. That would be cute!!! I feel special

      Originally posted by Amethyst Star
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      In your extreme-realist mode have you tried talking to yourself? By that I mean possibly having a conversation with yourself and ask why you can't do such things? Or summon a dream guide and ask them. I'm not sure if that'd do a whole lot, but it's worth a shot.

      -Amé
      I normaly think to myself allot durring dreams, its one way for me to rc...unfortunatly i havent been able to manifest myself or dreamguides at all durring these extreemly real dreams.
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      Reality shadow

      What you are describing is what I have called a "reality shadow". Your perceptive self (the hologram that makes you you when you are awake and when you are dreaming) is so used to the way waking reality is knit together because it is hard-wired to your senses which detect the real, natural world. When you dream, it is like that perceptive self flicks on, but it is severed from sensory input. So what it expresses it what it is familiar with. Habits, if you will, guide how it will express itself and behave. That is why the LD techniques discussed here work because they are building new habits on how you interpret your world. These habits become stored in your brain centers which illicit responses to various perceptions. Hence, if you train yourself to expect that if your phone can bite your ear you are dreaming, then that will be a habit of how to interpret such a thing and when it occurs in your dream you are programmed to interpret such an event as "I am dreaming".

      What one overcomes when they attain dream lucidity is this "reality shadow" which we carry to our dreaming world. Slowly you become used to the fact that your dream means you are free and gradually it gets more and more vivid and your reality shadow gets replaced with an entirely new code...actually, it gets "erased" slowly...heh

      I have learned that attaining lucidity doesn't nesessarily mean that we have to control our dream. Controlling it is half the option. Instead, I personally always just follow wherever my dream is going to take me, but I know it as a dream and know that I am in an altered state of mind. That lucidity makes me hyperaware. But I have learned not to temper too much with the subconscious mind...the dream is part of you, and trying to completely control it is like deciding "I don't like my pinky toe so I'm going to cut it off". Instead, I channel my lucidity to a simple awareness that I am indeed dreaming and I am exploring what my subconscious has to tell me.
      As a result, I don't have nightmares anymore. When I encounter a fear in a dream I confront it with understanding it and then I move on to something else.

      Anyhow, just my input, thought I'd mention the reality shadow and let you know that it is indeed something normal to any person who ever has existed in the "real world".

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      Re: Reality shadow

      Originally posted by Anelior


      What one overcomes when they attain dream lucidity is this \"reality shadow\" which we carry to our dreaming world. Slowly you become used to the fact that your dream means you are free and gradually it gets more and more vivid and your reality shadow gets replaced with an entirely new code...actually, it gets \"erased\" slowly...heh

      Anyhow, just my input, thought I'd mention the reality shadow and let you know that it is indeed something normal to any person who ever has existed in the \"real world\".
      Now i find this both interesting and compleatly bunk to me, mainly that I've been lucid dreaming ever since i started remembering my dreams, almost 17 years now, and this "reality shadow" has never existed really to me.
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      Complete bunk

      Wow! That's quite good. You must have a very abstract mind, or else you have a special balance in the way your brain works when waking vs. sleeping. The "reality shadow" theory works with lots of individuals who tend to be rooted in the linear world of thinking, or who tend to favour waking experience...then again, everyone is different. I find the "reality shadow" is something I've heard of from everyone I've talked to anyway.
      Thanks for sharing that! One more piece of data in the great big puzzle...
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      If you're thinking of the brain as two seperate entities you could end up with a major cause of schitzofrenia. I'd reccomend you think of things as a whole, uno, one, try to balance both states in a parrallel and neutrality.

      I have a slight disorder with personalities, nothing serious... but trust me, it isn't pleasent. Especially when you don't even know yourself.
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      OOps....didn't mean to give the impression that I thought the brain is two entities...it is not, you are indeed right it is ONE entity. Hence the profound truths behind Buddhist and Hindu spirituality regarding the one pure self, the Ataman. I think though that when this true self is brought into this world in the form of us, it is limited/confined and our process of growth is simply the process of regaining that unity which we truly are. Whether we get there or not, well, that is a matter of circumstance/consequence.
      There are two different STATES of the mind, mainly, that are of significance to our creative awareness, and that is the state of dreaming and the state of waking. The mind is one, a single entity which is our awareness, but it passes through many states, depending on the individual.
      Anyway, just to clarify, that's what I was trying to say.
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      Originally posted by Anelior
      OOps....didn't mean to give the impression that I thought the brain is two entities...it is not, you are indeed right it is ONE entity. Hence the profound truths behind Buddhist and Hindu spirituality regarding the one pure self, the Ataman. I think though that when this true self is brought into this world in the form of us, it is limited/confined and our process of growth is simply the process of regaining that unity which we truly are. Whether we get there or not, well, that is a matter of circumstance/consequence.
      There are two different STATES of the mind, mainly, that are of significance to our creative awareness, and that is the state of dreaming and the state of waking. The mind is one, a single entity which is our awareness, but it passes through many states, depending on the individual.
      Anyway, just to clarify, that's what I was trying to say.
      I like what your saying about the states of mind, however I always carry a slight almost background sence of is this real or not where ever I go, Its like an instinct, so in essence you could say I am sortof split, but I control both me's.
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