Thread: The Nature of Dream Control

Dreamslinger, I definitely agree with your assessment that dreams develop according to the focus of your attention, and that detail is added as you focus on a particular element, detail that was not there before. Sometimes you see things change before your eyes, as you put your full focus on them.

One thing I don't understand is dream transitions or discontinuities. When you focus on certain things, instead of developing inside the same dream, they require a change of scenario. You go through a black patch and you transition to a new dream. Now why is that?

I've been playing around with a theory, so let me put it to you. In waking reality, we have our perceptions, which are external, and our thoughts, which are internal. They don't really mix. In dream reality, we don't have perceptions, and we do have our thoughts, which are completely externalized as pseudo-perceptions. So actually looking at your dreams means looking at your mental contents, but externalized, or clothed with a sensory appearance taken from our store of memories. Does this sound plausible?

BTW, this does not necessarily mean that our dreams are subjective - they are just as subjective or objective as our thoughts are, that's all.

Originally Posted by atlantic

One thing I don't understand is dream transitions or discontinuities. When you focus on certain things, instead of developing inside the same dream, they require a change of scenario. You go through a black patch and you transition to a new dream. Now why is that?

Possibly because your thought process becomes internalized, and you don't have enough attention externally to sustain your surroundings. It seems like a sudden transition because you have one single archetype populating a blank slate, so it only seems more dramatic than usual.

Originally Posted by atlantic

I've been playing around with a theory, so let me put it to you. In waking reality, we have our perceptions, which are external, and our thoughts, which are internal. They don't really mix.

Actually they do mix. Your inner thoughts determine where you focus your outer perceptions, the exact same way as in dreams. In fact they limit them, because like in dreams, you can't be aware of anything that you don't have an existing archetype for.

Originally Posted by atlantic

In dream reality, we don't have perceptions, and we do have our thoughts, which are completely externalized as pseudo-perceptions. So actually looking at your dreams means looking at your mental contents, but externalized, or clothed with a sensory appearance taken from our store of memories. Does this sound plausible?

BTW, this does not necessarily mean that our dreams are subjective - they are just as subjective or objective as our thoughts are, that's all.

Very well put.

Originally Posted by atlantic

In dream reality, we don't have perceptions, and we do have our thoughts, which are completely externalized as pseudo-perceptions. So actually looking at your dreams means looking at your mental contents, but externalized, or clothed with a sensory appearance taken from our store of memories. Does this sound plausible?

BTW, this does not necessarily mean that our dreams are subjective - they are just as subjective or objective as our thoughts are, that's all.

I have thought about this before too. Sounds like a good theory to me too.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I'm also beginning to suspect that this rule applies to the waking world as well, and that the dream control skills mastered through understanding of this concept can be used to influence the waking world. I expect this to be demonstratable, not as a physical proof, but as something that can be experienced.

I think there is a difference between the relationship of the mind to the waking world and dream worlds, but not in the sense that one is real and the other not. It's more a question of inertia.

In both cases, your belief system is the main limitation on what you can achieve. But whereas in the dream world, you can make immediate and visible changes, the material world is much more resistant to change, and your thought will change it over weeks or months rather than seconds.

Still, I am convinced that our thought is the main factor determining the kind of world each of us lives in. And of those who manage to grasp and employ this relationship, we say they are "living their dream" - given time, they can literally turn their thoughts into reality.

What you are saying about archetypes ties in with something I read in Huxley's The Gates of Perception. He argued that, rather than being an organ of thought, the brain was a "reducing valve" (I think he was using a plumbing metaphor!), whose role was to reduce the flood of information provided by the five senses to manageable proportions, by a process of filtering related to our previously acquired conceptions of the world.

I have the impression that the world in its raw state is extremely chaotic, and all living beings have to select and filter this flood of information to make sense of it. Perhaps what distinguishes humans from animals (if anything) is that we can reconfigure this process to a certain extent, although the flip side of that is that we are also subject to all kinds of mental diseases when the process goes wrong.

As you say, all of this becomes much more obvious in the context of the very plastic environment of LD.

Originally Posted by atlantic

In both cases, your belief system is the main limitation on what you can achieve. But whereas in the dream world, you can make immediate and visible changes, the material world is much more resistant to change, and your thought will change it over weeks or months rather than seconds.

RL only seems more resistant to change for the same reason those sudden transitions seem so dramatic, because they are the sole source of influence on a blank slate. In Rl, there are billions of other people exerting an influence as well, so it only looks like your individual contribution is meaningless.

But there's still gotta be a way to have direct influence over reality. When you focus on an archetype and it manifests it's associations, those new manifestations don't become the new source of change until you shift your focus onto them. So I'm thinking that by utilizing the manifested properties of the general archetypes the population is focused on and not the archetypes themselves, then those areas below the focus radar should allow you to exert change over the real world.

All I know for sure is I've got to start being more careful about the types of women I fantasize about, because they keep appearing out of seemingly nowhere!

Originally Posted by atlantic

What you are saying about archetypes ties in with something I read in Huxley's The Gates of Perception. He argued that, rather than being an organ of thought, the brain was a "reducing valve" (I think he was using a plumbing metaphor!), whose role was to reduce the flood of information provided by the five senses to manageable proportions, by a process of filtering related to our previously acquired conceptions of the world.

I suppose that is what I'm saying.

These principles operate in physics also it seems. It seems that as scientists focus in on subatomic particles it just gets deeper and deeper and more detail unfolds to them. It is like they are chasing the mystery but their attention keeps creating it at a deeper level. At first it was atoms, then it was electrons, neutrons and protons, then it was quarks and positrons, etc. Then it was waveforms where particles are in no particular place but just where the observer expects them to be. And this opens the door to alternate realities. But, In a dream I had microscopic vision and I zoomed into a cobblestone and it unfolded fractally.

wow great thread, i spent the best part of the weekend reading everyone's insight and let me tell you it was very eye opening.

I know its been almost three years since the last reply was made to the thread but for the sake of it let me include some of my thoughts. Cusp I would love it if you are still suscribed to the post. Three years of experimenting with these ideas im sure would have given you some more very interesting insights.

Your rules for lucid dreaming are absolutely spot on. I am still a rather amateur lucid dreamer so Im still developing techniques for dream control but what I wanted to talk to you about is this application and overlapping of real life and lucid dreams and how both 'realities' seem to obvey the same rules.

I would like to know if anyone is familiar with the book "Conversations with God" by Donald Walsh. The book puts forward some very interesting points about morality, sin and destiny but what is more relevant to this thread is the way it explains the means by which a person can manipulate and transform reality using exactly the same techniques and following the same rules youve explained about lucid dreaming. The parallels between what you have written here and the book are really quite amazing.

without going onto the religious aspects that the book deals with, basically this book argues that this reality we call real life is really a DREAM, a kind of program. It argues that everything in the universe (you me, a dog, a love song, the universe, other dimensions) is part of one whole...and as part of that whole you and me are in essence God...just as is a rat or a cow or a tree...ok so the non religious side of this (dont wanna get into the religious bit here unless someone would like to hear more) is the fact that as part of that whole we have the ability to change it and manipulate it. So in the same way that we can for example move a an arm or any other limb of our body, we can also change something in this reality...since reality and everything in it is just another limb of our "universal" body (for lack of a better word)

Ok so please im not trying to preach a belief system here, im just trying to get to my point, and my point is. Waking life just as lucid dreams can be controled and shapped to our will but just as in lucid dreams it is a bit more complicated than just making it happen since it is subjected to the same rules present in lucid dreams...namely

1.Awareness of being in a dream like state
1. Everything in the dream requires your attention to exist.
2. The more attention you give to one element, the more detail it creates in relation to what you are focused on.
3. Emotions play a very important role in dream control

hehe sounds like im paraphrasing what Cusp has said before, but these are all rules that this book puts forward albeit not as concisely.

So how can reality be manipulated like a lucid dream? firstly, an awareness that this waking life is just merely a dream has to be in our minds...this awareness also has to come with a realisation that this dream is a creation of our universal body's mind (again crap word but you get the meaning) and as such we have absolute control over it.

and the rest has already been explained perfectly by Cusp and others here, its just a matter of focusing, paying attention, avoiding distraction...getting rid of the concept of want (for want implies the lack of and shifts our focus from having to not having) and always challenging this waking life as being the ultimate reality...just as you challenge a dream as being the ultimate reality...thats when you gain control..

one last thing

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Thanks for all the positive feedback, I really appreciate it. It takes me so long to write out these posts (This measly post took almost 4 hours!).

Real World Applications

For the past month or so, I've been observing how these principles apply to the real world as much as they do to dreaming. But it comes with an extra layer of complexity in the waking world, namely other people. The potential each one of us has using these techniques is phenomenal, and when you consider there are billions of people influencing the world in this manner, the possibilities for conflict or resonance are mind boggling. It would seem that the waking world is just one big shared dream!
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I think youre absolutely on the ball there..one big shared dream where conflict and resonance play a very important role in the shapping of the world and the universe. prsonal reality, a bit easier to deal with

Originally Posted by anomanderis

Woul you be willing to say, the Cusp, that both the physical world and dream world abide by the same basic rules?
Only that in the dream world we are godlike.
It has seemed, for me, to be this way after I realized I was using the same technique, the same focus for manipulating the dream world and the physical world (psychokinesis).

I think we are god like...because we are everything, the difference with lucid dreams is that in waking life attaining the realisation that we are living in a dream is a bit harder than just noticing that flicking a light switch doesnt turn the light on

Originally Posted by rafito12

I think we are god like...because we are everything, the difference with lucid dreams is that in waking life attaining the realisation that we are living in a dream is a bit harder than just noticing that flicking a light switch doesnt turn the light on

I don't think we are everything. I think we are connected to everything, or we resonate with everything. It may sound like splitting hairs but it's an important distinction. We can't just order things to change; but since there is a connection, we can get any aspect of reality to change with the appropriate effort.

In any case, I think the starting point for having some power over reality is to understand that it has a dream-like nature, which means it is fluid and interacts with our will to some extent. And the best way to change our fundamental beliefs about the solidity of the real world is to have the repeated experience of lucid dreaming. This really changes the way you look at how reality works, because your brain does not know that you are dreaming, and begins to store up a new model of reality.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

These principles operate in physics also it seems. It seems that as scientists focus in on subatomic particles it just gets deeper and deeper and more detail unfolds to them. It is like they are chasing the mystery but their attention keeps creating it at a deeper level. At first it was atoms, then it was electrons, neutrons and protons, then it was quarks and positrons, etc. Then it was waveforms where particles are in no particular place but just where the observer expects them to be. And this opens the door to alternate realities. But, In a dream I had microscopic vision and I zoomed into a cobblestone and it unfolded fractally.

Relativity and the Uncertainty principle apply to dreams the same way they do to reality. You cannot fly faster than the speed of light in a dream (wormholes and teleportation doesn't count!)

I don't think there is an irreductable God particle in the physicial universe. According to the dream model, there will always be more detail the deeper you look. That goes both for the microcosm and the macro cosm. The phrase "as above, so below" seems to apply here, but I don't want to get into that right now.

Originally Posted by rafito12

I know its been almost three years since the last reply was made to the thread but for the sake of it let me include some of my thoughts. Cusp I would love it if you are still suscribed to the post. Three years of experimenting with these ideas im sure would have given you some more very interesting insights.

No worries, this thread never really dies. And it will only have been two years this spring.

Originally Posted by rafito12

I would like to know if anyone is familiar with the book "Conversations with God" by Donald Walsh.

I've heard of it, but had no idea that's what it was about. The title kind of put my off, but the concept of God isn't so far off as a metaphor. It's just the closest pre-existing archetype that embodies many of the relevant aspects. The idea of God isn't a useless concept, it makes a great template archetype for dealing with the unknown, but you just have to be willing to modify that archetype to fit the circumstances. Many people are resistant to change in their ideas of god, or their archetypes are so massive and well established that it's almost impossible to change them.

Originally Posted by rafito12

1.Awareness of being in a dream like state
1. Everything in the dream requires your attention to exist.
2. The more attention you give to one element, the more detail it creates in relation to what you are focused on.
3. Emotions play a very important role in dream control

hehe sounds like im paraphrasing what Cusp has said before, but these are all rules that this book puts forward albeit not as concisely.

Realy? He says that? It's good to have independant confirmation! I'm going to have to read that, especially since I want to write a book on the subject and I need to check out my competition. I didn't think I had any!

Originally Posted by rafito12

So how can reality be manipulated like a lucid dream? firstly, an awareness that this waking life is just merely a dream has to be in our minds...this awareness also has to come with a realisation that this dream is a creation of our universal body's mind (again crap word but you get the meaning) and as such we have absolute control over it.

For starters you need a lucid awareness in your daily life. Basically what I tried to say here http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=83428
You have free will, but you need to be lucid to use it.

Yeah I know what you mean about the God archetype, i had some real trouble starting the book because of this but once you get into it youll see that this "god" is more of a consciousness...sort of the collection of everyones consciousness kind of thing..in other words much more to do with our minds than the God that sent locusts to Egypt

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Realy? He says that? It's good to have independant confirmation! I'm going to have to read that, especially since I want to write a book on the subject and I need to check out my competition. I didn't think I had any!

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Yep, like I said nowhere near as concisely as you put it, but in the section of controlling reality thats all it makes a point of...mostly becoming aware of our dream like state by realising what we are, who we are and why this reality is the way it is (that would be this book's particular belief system) but you can become aware of the dream like state according to whatever you believe this reality is, whatever your belief system is about god or energy or the universe, i dunno what you believe (but just in this instance the book does have at its core belief that reality is the sum of collective dreaming and that this collective is God)
Then once the awareness is on our minds the next step is the focusing (the paying attention to), and the example the book uses the most is the human habit of focusing on want, I want this i want that. focusing on want doesnt actually bring anything...it works like a charm though in that it brings what is being focused on...so if u say i want a new car then u focus on I dont have a red car and thats why I want it and therefore the object of your focus becomes your reality...you dont have a red car, and u never get a red car...but you always get what you focus on...so focus instead on having, knowing that its already there, imagining with your senses what its like, what it looks like and knowing it will come (same techniques you use for lucid dream control) but always always having in the back of your mind that realisation that ur in a dream like reality...(again the same way you have to keep reminding yourself that youre in a dream while LD) This im sure applies to much more than the habit of wanting, it applies to everything, i believe.

You might find the begining of the book a bit dense with more theological questions being answered but it does get into reality and how we play a part in shapping it and I tell you its 100% Lucid Dreaming techniques put to practice in RL, but you do need some kind of thelogical background to support the argument that RL is only just another dream.

I would be interested to know what your personal argument is for your assertion that RL is just a dream like state...what makes you think this is so?(appart from the experiental info such as when you said the dog gfot angry when you focused on the "beware of the dog" sign) and also if this is a dream like state, what is if any the ultimate reality? i know those are some pretty big questions...feel free to say "just buy my book!!" hehe

Good luck with your writings, i look forward to hearing more from you!

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I'd say we are just as godlike in the real world as in dreams. The only difference is that in dreams, there is nobody else to interfere with your will. In RL, there are billions of other godlike people as well. So if you wanted to fly, there are billions of other people who say "No, you can't do that.", thus making it impossible for you to do so. You're just outnumbered.

When I am with other people, I feel them deforming my personal world view and perception - they really tug it out of shape. This is very clear when I take a walk with one other person. Their effect on the conversation is most noticeable, but in fact the exact same effect takes place at the level of perception, even if no words are spoken.

But I think exactly the same thing takes place in dreams. You can have totally subjective dreams, but most dreams are shared, not only with other human beings but with a host of other creatures.

So I think you've got it wrong in this respect. Sometimes in the real world we have the place to ourselves - nobody else is around - and we are still not capable of changing it at will. And sometimes in dreams, we are with others, and we are still capable of making changes at will. So I don't think that being alone or with others is the limiting factor - something else is.

Originally Posted by atlantic

When I am with other people, I feel them deforming my personal world view and perception - they really tug it out of shape. This is very clear when I take a walk with one other person. Their effect on the conversation is most noticeable, but in fact the exact same effect takes place at the level of perception, even if no words are spoken.

But I think exactly the same thing takes place in dreams. You can have totally subjective dreams, but most dreams are shared, not only with other human beings but with a host of other creatures.

Your timing is uncanny. I've only just started noticing that happening in my dreams last week. Had two separate dreams where that was happening. I would encounter suspect fellow dreamers and my attention would jump like a scratched record, or like you're trying to click on something with your computer mouse and the cursor suddenly jumps halfway across the screen.

But I don't want to discuss that too much here, I'll make a thread about it in BD.

As for in RL, I can feel that happening as well. It's one of the main factors in determining the company I keep.

Originally Posted by atlantic

So I think you've got it wrong in this respect. Sometimes in the real world we have the place to ourselves - nobody else is around - and we are still not capable of changing it at will. And sometimes in dreams, we are with others, and we are still capable of making changes at will. So I don't think that being alone or with others is the limiting factor - something else is.

I don't think physical distance is the limiting factor. Perhaps a radio frequency type scenario, where you only share your reality with people tuned to the same frequency.

Maybe i've experienced something similar to this starting in the last week. I'd say the phenomena actually began when I started noticing in RL how people affect my perception (being alone vs being with someone).
Now I'm having these . . . fractal dreams, and i say fractal in the sense that logic has gone completely haywire. When before my dreaming was quite linear and there was at least a greater sequence to things (ie action-reaction ad infinitum) now everything seems to be happening at the same time or should i say that time has faded from focus.
there are sequences of action, but different "scenes" seem to be shifted from another.
A good example of this was a dream where the basic logic of what and how stuff was going on was so confoundingly different that after waking up I couldn't even visualize what i had experienced, because i couldn't understand it in the slightest! there was no way, no concepts in my mind to project that which i had experienced.

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

I'm WAY too lazy to read all that, but I saw the two rules at the top and how you think it might affect real life. In fact, I use this method a lot, and it IS a lot like dream control. If you're intrested in mastering life control, (yeah, not dream control, LIFE control) rent the movie called "The Secret." It explains EVERYTHING. Trust me, it will chande your life! Now don't think I'm crazy, I'm not saying things insta-poof like in dreams, and your still not gonna be able to fly, but just look into it.

And I was thinking, throughout this whole thing "Damn, this sounds a hell ofa lot like The Secret"

Ok, this is good but i dont have to much time to read it all. so i am posting to be able to go back, but this is good stuff. I have precognition, this may help me to remember my dreams. & yes, EVERYTHING is controlled by emotions, though society will dummy you up into a nonfunctional state of instict combined with logic.....Just a big fail when you dont use the even more powerful emotions. The observer bringing things into exsistence is very real. if you are good enough, you can just wipe the whole dream & go into a blackscreen & reflect on yourself while you sleep. I did this in delta a few times rescently, you are dead asleep, but you are talking to yourself about your life. You can even pull up past/present/future as refferences... Its kinda strange, but if i can do it... So can the world have this potencial. I hear that people that have been practicing meditation for over a decade can do this. Hmmm, i just started really. for like 4 months i do alpha check when i get home from work, its not even typical meditation, but i reflect inward & it effects my dreams profoundly. I usually just turn on the frequency generator & just relax....Its way easier then meditation & has the same effect. But i sudjest qikung & qigong healing exorcises, they feel awsome. Dont watch TV.. & dont eat fast food.....These 2 elements are really messing us up, i can tell.

Wow the Cusp this thread is really amazing, it is easy to understand and its Cristal clear for me. You really put a lot of thought into this

Good stuff and i agree. Emotions and attention ARE very key in both dreams and waking life. I am working on those in the waking life more than in the dream life. This is part of dream and regular yoga. In some aspect of mind control, changing/chanelling empotions and events is called "refraiming." Where and event has already happend we might not be able to chage it though we can change the emotion around it or negate it and use it to empower oneself in various degrees. When i notice any negative emotion/thoughts in me, i am doing doing a typ of meditaion that has the potential to instantly requalify it/ change/channel it. It does work. I use it before going to sleep to stop the chatter in my brain and program myself for "good" dreams.

I have never read the secret. Every few years new stuff comes out that reveals the age old truths. And they are age old, since the beginning of time. The laws of reality are constant as far as i know in this cycle of exisctence. In the yoga sciptures is says that every so many years truths will be revealed for the new generations for their benefit and to end suffering etc.

Originally Posted by rafito12

Yeah I know what you mean about the God archetype, i had some real trouble starting the book because of this but once you get into it youll see that this "god" is more of a consciousness...sort of the collection of everyones consciousness kind of thing..in other words much more to do with our minds than the God that sent locusts to Egypt

What book? You failed to include a link? Sorry I took so long to respond, but I've been loathe to bump my own thread, especially after 26000 views of just me rambling.

From what I can tell, reliable dream control stems from stable, well established archetypes. Jesus would be a prime example, but from my theories, Elvis would be an equally powerful archetype.

Originally Posted by atlantic

When I am with other people, I feel them deforming my personal world view and perception - they really tug it out of shape. This is very clear when I take a walk with one other person. Their effect on the conversation is most noticeable, but in fact the exact same effect takes place at the level of perception, even if no words are spoken.

It's been noticing that for years now, even before I noticed how dream control affects reality, that I've been choosing the people I hang around with according to how they perceive me. I still don't consciously know how this works, but fundametally, it surely has something to so with shared reality.

Originally Posted by rafito12

Realy? He says that? It's good to have independant confirmation! I'm going to have to read that, especially since I want to write a book on the subject and I need to check out my competition. I didn't think I had any!

Well that makes two of us. I've been putting off my book until I hammered out the specifics of shared dreaming, which pretty much hinges on the peculiarites of the shared dreaming experience. I've been pretty lax in my efforts, but as far as I can tell, the only difference between dreaming and reality is the number of people you share it with. I can't help but think my signature holds some clue to reality, shared dream or otherwise.

Originally Posted by rafito12

I would be interested to know what your personal argument is for your assertion that RL is just a dream like state...what makes you think this is so?

That isn't some fanciful notion for me, it's a logical deduction. My primary interest has always been dream control. I've never been satisfied with the theory that belief or expectations determines the level of control an individual had, especially since I've had so many experiences that seem to indicate otherwise. Just today at work, I had an old retired dude who just sat there and watched us all friggin' day, because he just had nothing better to do. Normally I would have found that annoying as hell, but because I didn't pay him the slightest attention, it was like he didn't exist.

Originally Posted by atlantic

When I am with other people, I feel them deforming my personal world view and perception - they really tug it out of shape. This is very clear when I take a walk with one other person. Their effect on the conversation is most noticeable, but in fact the exact same effect takes place at the level of perception, even if no words are spoken.

It's been noticing that for years now, even before I noticed how dream control affects reality, that I've been choosing the people I hang around with according to how they perceive me. I still don't consciously know how this works, but fundametally, it surely has something to so with shared reality.

Originally Posted by kulananda

In some aspect of mind control, changing/chanelling empotions and events is called "refraiming.".

Reframing things is key to dream control. You only fail when you give up. For instance, instead of trying to increase the light levels in your dream, you could just give yourself night vision.

Originally Posted by kulananda

I have never read the secret. Every few years new stuff comes out that reveals the age old truths. And they are age old, since the beginning of time. The laws of reality are constant as far as i know in this cycle of exisctence. In the yoga sciptures is says that every so many years truths will be revealed for the new generations for their benefit and to end suffering etc.

Same here. I've never read The Secret, yet I feel like I'm intimately familiar with it. From what I can tell of my incidental knowledge of the subject, it sounds a lot like dream control, only it lacks the specifics of of dream control. But to me, knowing how dream control works explains so much! Of course I can't stress enough the importance of of archetypes, as difficult as it is to explain.

As many of us have experienced, the sleep world is very much the same as the waking one (with the exception of one element, which I'll talk about in a moment). I hope the following will help explain The Cusp's quote:

The archetypes that make up DCs are arranged primarily by their vibration. So if you feel bad, you are putting out a low vibration (as explained in the Secret) and you will attract similar vibrations whether you are awake or asleep. In a dream, things are not restricted to the physical forms we are accustomed to in RL. So whatever that thing you are observing makes you as the observer feel, is how it will be translated by the brain and so it will appear to you. I feel that's where monsters, strange characters, and oddball DCs come from - they are shaped and perceived only according to the observer's emotion about them.

But just like real people DCs are alive and independent unto themselves; they are conscious, not just projection slides in the brain. It seems that they are invented by you, but I strongly believe that they are not. They are other conscious beings in the collective unconscious with you. This is also why they are influenced just like people in RL, by Emotion. You are seeing the evolving interactions of feelings (and the meanings built into them) evolving and morphing when you are dreaming. This can only happen if there is no time. Think about it: if you smoke cigarettes, it will not appear that your health is degenerating until maybe hundreds of cigarettes later. This is because it worsens over time in RL. In a dream, if you smoke a cigarette or a DC does, instantaneously the DC must take on the feeling/meaning the observer has of "smoking." If the observer likes smoking, he will see someone cool. If the observer is conscious about the health effects, he may see a horrible creature.

BUT, observers aside, the smoker himself has not changed! This is also very important. The archetype "smoking" has not changed, but its appearance will change based upon WHO is looking at it. The thing itself only changes with the observer. This is demonstrated constantly in waking life: one guy thinks God is in the Bible, another guy thinks he's in the Quran. But God himself in unchanged, only re-translated between observers. This translation takes place in the first person without taking any time to transform in dreaming. So I feel that's why everyone seems to be alone in a dream - they are surrounded by their own interpretations of the same things that everybody sees.

So that ties back again into vibration. Because the types of beings/archetypes you interact with depends totally upon that. Not everyone will attract the same types of archetypes to them, because its all based on what the person thinks about. That being said, every thought has a vibration based upon what it is and how a given observer may feel about it.

(This explains why you can feel your individual world view reshape and change when you're near another person. Their thoughts have vibration as well, and both of yours' together bump against each other and move fluidly, which may give leave impressions on you and on the other person too. The energy between two people interplays because we are on the same wavelength frequency of "human brainwaves.")

Since every thought has a vibration, your intention has a vibration as well. If you are trying to create your reality, waking or dreaming, the image you have in your mind and the way you feel about it definitely has a vibration. If you are thinking about it by yourself, this intention is just a fantasy. But if you take action about it then this intention has the possibility to come true. This is because if it is a good intention, it will attract others who can feel it as well. This is what Deepak Chopra meant when he said that a dream dreamt together can become reality. If someone else resonates with the vibration of your intention, now his intention has snowballed with yours to make the dream come true. The extra momentum added on by each person who is drawn to this vibration may be enough to birth the creation into reality. In group dreaming, everyone has come together under a single intention and that creates the space that they share. Crazy things may pop out because that's what they themselves have attracted to them through their thinking. But if each person feels strongly enough about the intention, this shouldn't hinder what they came together to do.

But I must warn you here. If your intentions and feelings in your thoughts are anything but positive or forward moving, you will begin to attract negativity into your life. Because you are on the same wavelength of negative things, they will also snowball and stick to you and your thoughts. Thought control is infinitely important, just as The Cusp mentioned when he suggested selectively ignoring certain thoughts. Luckily, negative thoughts are much less powerful than positive ones... so you have to think about a negative thing for a lot longer before it will begin to seed.

Does this make sense?

Ok, your post struck a shared dream i would love to tell. I also see where i have trouble with the different personalities that we share as spirits in our dreams. We all take people in our life & transform them into our dream journeys. But the only one that was strange to me is talking to my duel self. I call this self my subconscious. It seems to have a path it erges me to follow & sometimes comes close to me instead of running into the rabbit hole. We have even shook hands. I know this is strange, but so is seeing the future.
I must warn you that i have had signals that show me copies of what usually happen, so i feel i may have manifested the results through claire knowing or Precognition. Ok, the dream which matches alot of what Edgar Cayce spoke of. I was sleeping but talking to myself about how much these visions were a burden & i deserved answers & i screamed out in the darkness, "Its my right!!!" quickly a grassyfield & flower budded bush scenery appeared. These 3 elders that looked like aquatic mammals(otters?) dressed in garb. came to me, I told them of my understanding of vibration & they said i was correct. I then asked them about my visions & they said, "the answer is in time" as they pointed to my right....!!!! The alarm clock goes off. it was to my right. I wake up & look at the clock & hit snooze. I turn back over but i drag the red & black from my digital clock, it hangs there as i dose off. The red & black turn into a book the elders are carrying. I ask, "what is it?", the elder sais, "it is the Akashic. The book belongs to you, but you must be the one to open it", he hands it to me & it dissolves as i touch it. They start walking away, i think ,"i need more answers" They said the answer was in time, so i frantically pull up my alarm clock & observe it...LMAO.... It goes off & wakes me up. I desperately hit snooze & role over. I go back into the dream & the elders are off crossing a bridge with a blue/yellow book under his arm, i desire to know whats in it. The alarm clock goes off & i get up this time & go to work. After my shift, i go home to find an E-mail from my brother. He tells me by stating, "I had this dream about you & you know how i dont remember my dreams." "I was at your house & i saw this book. It was red & black & when i picked it up, i felt this powerful energy. If you find a red/black book take it, buy it, steel it... Whatever you do get this book, because it was calling you & was very powerful!!!" I dont know what he was getting excited about until i heard red/black book. Ever since then, i have been waking up in deep sleep & talking to this blackscreen & accessing information. The same blackscreen i erased monsters with when i was 12. I dont believe to much in spirits or aliens but i looked anyway.... I found iargans... Something i found Edgar Cayce talking about in one of his books. He talked about the iargans as a peaceful race that supposedly have USO bases under our oceans & came from a star cluster in our galaxy... I still cant understand it. It also spoke of the Zetan greys & the Paladiens at war & the iargans will not intervene.... I mean, its just a crazy dream right??

Wow - may I ask you, did you know what an Akashic record is at the time you had that dream? If you hadn't mentioned it, I might have told you it was just a dream. But that sounds powerful to me.

The Akashic record is the history of a person's past lives. By being guided to it, I strongly suspect you were being lead to knowledge of your spiritual nature. That is, the nature of who you are beyond your physical self. I don't know if this is something you believe in, but in my own searching I have come across reference to the Akashic records repeatedly. It seems to be a doorway into communication with your higher self especially since you have continued to commune with the book in this way. Whatever knowledge you gather from it, it is very personal - trust your own instincts about it first! Nobody else can tell you, that's for sure.

There has definitely been alien contact made in history (check into the work of Zechariah Sitchen) that has made a lasting effect. No one has been able to refute the research by the man I just mentioned - he is actually a professor who specializes in ancient Sumer and reported his findings from their old translations. You may find that the story there is similar to what you read from Cayce - especially with that bit about them hiding beneath our oceans. But they certainly weren't harmless as Sitchen tells it. :/

In an interdimensional sense, I'm still figuring what part extraterrestrials play. If you look into the Mayan calendar and "natural time" you may find more information along those lines. I happened to be searching about that today, as a matter of fact. I'm still looking to confirm the information here for myself, but you may find it relevant to your dream. Read the article I found at the site here: http://www.lawoftime.org/timeshipearth/dreamspell.html

If RL itself is a dream, what they mention there isn't inconceivable. It talks about people sharing a group dream that changes with the cycles of the cosmos. It's pretty interesting. And there's stuff there too about building a fourth dimensional earth to free us from the physical dimension, so it is somewhat relevant...

But what I'm personally interested in is dream control on an individual basis. I think I've found something brilliant to help people actually do it using lucid dreaming! I'm very excited about it, but I don't want to post anything about it unless you guys are interested in hearing it.