Lost in America/Milwaukee Woman

I have two dreams that need interpreting.
The first one is more important than the second, with the second, i feel like if i could understand the symbols, i'd understand the dream.
Both dreams are very spiritual in context.

Okay...

Dream One
I am in America. And it seems i've been set some kind of challenge, but i don't know what it is. All i know is i have to get somewhere, walking the streets of America.
I'm doing okay to begin with, until i find i am hopelessly, totally lost.
I come to a cross roads. There is lots of traffic going back and forth, and no stop signs anywhere. I want to cross, but am afraid to.
There is a woman, in white, standing in the midst of the traffic. She has dark hair, and is slim, and reminds me of myself.
'Come on, what are you waiting for?' she says, and laughs. I feel angry, because it feels like she is mocking me.
I feel afraid, and she disappears.
I still feel lost, so i double back the way i came, and find a map, with only one place name on it, 'Church' and an arrow pointing in the direction i've just come from.
'But i don't want to go to church!' i say aloud.
I'm horrified.
However, no matter how much i look, there is no other direction on the map.
so, i finally manage to make the crossroads, and come to a Catholic Chapel.
The whole place frightens me. The tombstones are very old, covered in lichen. I find myself thinking of the skeletons that must be under them, and tell myself the dead can't harm me.
I go in. Some people turn and smile at me.
I sit down, and i'm freezing cold. I'm only wearing a light summer dress, a white one...
The clock on the wall reads 10.20 am in the morning.
The preacher is giving a sermon. She says 'And we are told that we are not the sinners, but the saints. But i tell you this: we are the sinners, we will always be the sinners, and never the saints'

I am at a real loss as to the understanding of this dream. The fact that it was so vivid, so accurately recalled, means it is important. The fact that it woke me at four am London time, and i had to write it down, is important.
The primary emotion was fear, fear of the unknown, fear of being lost, fear of the crossroads. Any help on this is much appreciated!

Dream Two
I'm in America again, it's the MidWest. It feels like it could be Milwaukee (or that's the impression i got when i asked myself 'where am i?' and my mind said 'Milwaukee, before the White Man came'
I'm sitting in the sun, when two riderless packhorses come to draw water from our well. I'm also married to an Indian. I take no notice at first, but as they leave, i wave to the second one. It winks back at me. The horse was white.
A small grey squirrel appears, and my dog wants to chase it. I sense its' fear. My father puts it in the eaves of a cabin, and it escapes.
At the end of this 'Dream Day' i am lying beneath the stars with my husband under a bear skin rug. I feel 'connected' with the whole cosmos.

This one doesn't really bug me, i'd just like someone to define the symbols for me. I seem to have switched from Greek and Roman Goddesses, to the Native American Indians...

I think what your dreams are telling you is to be more ambirtious in american but some feelings maybe resentment are keeping you back and the women in that dream was pushing you forward and you chose not to go forward to the oppertunity.
The catholic church means you have not been paying to much attentiont to relegion and maybe relegion is the answer or friends at church or think of others not of yourself mainly and success will follow some way.

I dont know how a catholic church fits in there america has a dense population of protestants.

you may be right in some ways...i may have to soon make a decision that could upset someone close to me, but only because i'm doing what makes me happy. I'm conscious of a feeling in waking life that i'm trying to make everyone happy by my choices, but that's not going to work.
I don't think religion is the way to go, at least, not organised religion.
I still think this dream has some connotation of spirituality that hasn't been teased out yet...

Hello Irishcream with the pretty avatar! :)
No dream of the necklace, eh? Rats.

Anyway, I wanted to take a shot at this and help you since apparently this dream does mean much to you. As I always tell people, this is just speculation on my part and the answers of course are somewhere in you.

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...i may have to soon make a decision that could upset someone close to me, but only because i'm doing what makes me happy. I'm conscious of a feeling in waking life that i'm trying to make everyone happy by my choices, but that's not going to work.
I don't think religion is the way to go, at least, not organised religion.
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So in gaining some insight into your life and personality, I understand that you have been making other people happy, but realize now that you should make yourself happy? Or basically, and don't get me wrong, you are finding yourself disturbed by the idea of recognizing that you are wanting to be selfish? Things might be things to question.

Having the dream in a country outside your own may symbolize you wanting to explore outside of your comfort zone. Being in your own area, you feel you already have knowledge and may want to search elsewhere for more answers.

Having a challenge obviously represents that something important is going on right now in your life or within yourself. You know you "have to" get answers.

Apparently being lost and at a crossroads speaks for itself. You have many decisions that you have to consider and not sure what is right for you. Lots of traffic and no stopping shows how chaotic it feels for you.

Ah, white color sometimes represents purity. You might want to ask yourself how do you view white. Any joe smoe can say what symbols represent in a dream, but you know more of the feelings you feel when you come across it. And you feel the woman is you. This might be your inner self talking to you. Weird how it is making fun of you. How do you view yourself with handling this challenge in life or within your self? Maybe your subconscious is saying that the answer is right there and your inner self doesn't know why you aren't taking the risk to search for it (like jumping out in traffic and hunting it down).
Of course, you feel afraid. Afraid of the unknown or what might happen.

Church in the direction that you just come from?? Maybe you are choosing an answer/decision/choice to your challenge by going back or reverting to your normal ways of handling problems than actually taking the plunge into traffic, listening to your inner self and exploring the unknown 'country'?

Now why a Church. Church does symbolize religion. Sometimes it is for some people, but you already expressed that YOU don't think religion is the way to go. Apparently that is your beliefs and so the Church might represent something else to you. How do you view Church? It might represent a feeling you have towards religion.
Apparently going back to your normal ways of handling problems involves this Church and you don't want to do that. It sounds like you really do want to explore the unknown and find answers elsewhere. However, you feel that this is the only answer then and you go for it--again clinging to what you already know in life or what you feel comfortable with instead of facing the unknown with your 'challenge.'

The place frightening--"did I make the right decision?" Being cold--Not comfortable. Not sure. Wearing a pretty, white dress--viewing yourself innocent in this matter. Maybe trying to convince self that this was the right thing to do.

Interesting sermon. Classic of preachers. But I ask--do you believe in what the preacher said? Is this how you view yourself? Is this how you view yourself with handling problems? Have you made the right decisions in your life or pertaining to yourself?

Dream 2--the answers to these symbols must reside in you. You know what you want out of life and your fantasies and curiousities. Taking place in America again. Ask yourself--how do you view America? There has to be something that you like about it or that it represents something of interest to you. Especially the midwest. Have you ever been to America? How have you learned or known of the midwest and the natives? Have you watched a movie or TV on it or read books on it? Something must interest you with it.

Being married to an Indian, eh? How do you view marriage? To many of course it represents a sacred bond. Maybe you are really into exploring yourself outside of your own region ;) Or at least you want to. You want to go beyond the unknown.

Again the white. Now a pack horse. Drinking water. A pack horse is a horse with bags on it and all--all packed up for an adventure and prepared to face anything...especially a horse that gets to travel. White again could symbolize your inner self. Water is very important to the body. It is necessary for survival. Getting ready for a travel means to prepare. You supplying the water means that maybe you are preparing yourself for such an adventure into the unknown. Waving to the horse is waving to yourself well. And the horse winking back is your inner self recognizing this. Seems you and your inner self seem connected at that moment.
What does this all mean? Beats me! LOL Apparently, you know yourself more than me and what you want to achieve with yourself and your life. Use this dream to see yourself.

Maybe being connected to the cosmos is you realizing that you have made this journey with your inner conflicts and self.

I am not sure if this helps, but I hope it aided you in some ways.

[quote]Hello Irishcream with the pretty avatar! :)
No dream of the necklace, eh? Rats.

Anyway, I wanted to take a shot at this and help you since apparently this dream does mean much to you. As I always tell people, this is just speculation on my part and the answers of course are somewhere in you.

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...i may have to soon make a decision that could upset someone close to me, but only because i'm doing what makes me happy. I'm conscious of a feeling in waking life that i'm trying to make everyone happy by my choices, but that's not going to work.
I don't think religion is the way to go, at least, not organised religion.

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So in gaining some insight into your life and personality, I understand that you have been making other people happy, but realize now that you should make yourself happy? Or basically, and don't get me wrong, you are finding yourself disturbed by the idea of recognizing that you are wanting to be selfish? Things might be things to question.

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Yes, all my life, i've done what other people say is best for me, mainly my mother. Simply because i'd rather see her happy, than start a fight, which is what used to happen when i was a teenager and tried to rebel!
So, i guess i got used to 'doing as i was told'.
And i don't like to appear selfish, not when i consider the things people have given me in my life, mainly down to mum, she's taught me so much.
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A year ago, she and my father and my brother emigrated to America. Leaving me on my own for the first time in my life, ever. 20 years of age.
At first it was scary. But once i got used to it, i realised i could go where i pleased, when i pleased. See who i wanted to see, do whatever i wanted to do, with no one to tell me otherwise.
Independence. I had to learn to look after myself.
I've been making myself happy on a material level for a good while...but now i think i've found something that would make me happy on a personal level. The material level of things involved my family, and the personal level doesn't, at least, not directly. More of that in a bit! (i'm dealing with this bit by bit!)

[quote]Having the dream in a country outside your own may symbolize you wanting to explore outside of your comfort zone. Being in your own area, you feel you already have knowledge and may want to search elsewhere for more answers.

Having a challenge obviously represents that something important is going on right now in your life or within yourself. You know you \"have to\" get answers.[/qupte]

Definitely! I am looking for adventure, i want to feel and try new things. I've been on this mindset for a while now, and it sees no let up. I do want challenging, in all areas of my life, including work. I've worked at the same place for three years, and although i still love what i do, it's feeling short on challenges, or they don't come at me like they used to...
I feel like i have to make a different journey, one where my parents aren't necessarily there to hold my hand...although someone might be..

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Apparently being lost and at a crossroads speaks for itself. You have many decisions that you have to consider and not sure what is right for you. Lots of traffic and no stopping shows how chaotic it feels for you.

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Sometimes this gets me down...i have so many thoughts about what i'm going to do going round in my head, it makes me a bit crazy sometimes...
it's like 'if you do that, this will happen' and then it's like 'but if you don't do that, you're left with this' all that kind of stuff...it's like an adult version of 'eenie meenie miney moe' Only far more complicated!
I feel like i have two choices: Both are right for me, but in different ways. However, in terms of these choices, one is made at sacrifice of the other.
I don't feel like i can have it all, and this upsets me, because the second choice with the first, would be the icing on the cake! Life complete, sit back and enjoy the ride. It's like, either way, i'm bound to lose.

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Ah, white color sometimes represents purity. You might want to ask yourself how do you view white. Any joe smoe can say what symbols represent in a dream, but you know more of the feelings you feel when you come across it. And you feel the woman is you. This might be your inner self talking to you. Weird how it is making fun of you. How do you view yourself with handling this challenge in life or within your self? Maybe your subconscious is saying that the answer is right there and your inner self doesn't know why you aren't taking the risk to search for it (like jumping out in traffic and hunting it down).
Of course, you feel afraid. Afraid of the unknown or what might happen.

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The colour white...its okay, but i've always found it bland...when i was small, i wanted a white wedding dress, who didn't? But now i'm older, i don't. It seems so...plain. I'd have to jazz it up with some piece of coloured ribbon, or maybe not wear white at all! White symbolises purity for most people, but i associate blue with that colour, because blue is water, and water is pure, the PH of water is 7, which is balance.
The woman making fun of me...maybe she's telling me to stop taking it all so seriously? Maybe i see myself as a joke...i've never really thought about this...
And maybe you're right, maybe the answer is right there, so why don't i just go for it...jump, so to speak.
Because it could all go wrong.

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Church in the direction that you just come from?? Maybe you are choosing an answer/decision/choice to your challenge by going back or reverting to your normal ways of handling problems than actually taking the plunge into traffic, listening to your inner self and exploring the unknown 'country'?

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Kinda what i was saying above...because i have a fear of the unknown, i'm sometimes guilty of 'reverting to type' if you will, in that i stick my head back under the sand, if only to give myself a break!
My inner self is giving me the answers, sure...but it's a question of timing of 'when' i tell the people that matter most to me what it is i'm thinking of doing...and i haven't even told the one person this decision might concern yet, because i'm not sure myself if it feels right...no, that's wrong, it feels right, it's the concept of a thing i can't begin to get used to, no matter how i try.

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Now why a Church. Church does symbolize religion. Sometimes it is for some people, but you already expressed that YOU don't think religion is the way to go. Apparently that is your beliefs and so the Church might represent something else to you. How do you view Church? It might represent a feeling you have towards religion.
Apparently going back to your normal ways of handling problems involves this Church and you don't want to do that. It sounds like you really do want to explore the unknown and find answers elsewhere. However, you feel that this is the only answer then and you go for it--again clinging to what you already know in life or what you feel comfortable with instead of facing the unknown with your 'challenge.'

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Church and religion are antipathy to me. They make me feel like i'm being held back...(why do i feel like i answered my own question?)
and yes, when i had faith, and believed, the church was where i went to pray, and seek those answers...but i know that wouldn't work. I've been back since, and feel no 'connection' with churches...except in an aesthetic sense, in that they are beautiful buildings...
And in many ways, the challenge i have, i see it as life changing..my final decision is going to change my life, and my family's life, in that something may happen, that sees me not joining them, which would upset them maybe, because up until about six to eight weeks ago, my heart was set on it...or was it? Maybe even three months ago, something was germinating in the back of my mind, but it was too small to see it, and then coming home, something has happened, which may turn all my plans upside down...

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The place frightening--\"did I make the right decision?\" Being cold--Not comfortable. Not sure. Wearing a pretty, white dress--viewing yourself innocent in this matter. Maybe trying to convince self that this was the right thing to do.

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I'll know i've made the wrong decision if i ask myself all these questions. But by then, i could be four and a half thousand miles from my second choice, and it'll be too late to go back...

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Interesting sermon. Classic of preachers. But I ask--do you believe in what the preacher said? Is this how you view yourself? Is this how you view yourself with handling problems? Have you made the right decisions in your life or pertaining to yourself?

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NO!! she was talking rot!
I remember sitting there listening to her, and struggling not to laugh...i remember thinking 'now liz, don't be so cynical!' because that's how i react to things that i don't believe to be true, with great cynicsm, and a fair dose of acerbic wit...
I'm no sinner...i'm a great believer in Consequence. I make my decisions. I then have to live with what happens, good or bad. If it goes wrong, it's cos I made a bad choice, no one else. Especially not some preacher who told-me-to-do-it.

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Dream 2--the answers to these symbols must reside in you. You know what you want out of life and your fantasies and curiousities. Taking place in America again. Ask yourself--how do you view America? There has to be something that you like about it or that it represents something of interest to you. Especially the midwest. Have you ever been to America? How have you learned or known of the midwest and the natives? Have you watched a movie or TV on it or read books on it? Something must interest you with it.

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I studied it very briefly in school, but that was it...however, deep in the back of my mind, i've wondered about it.
America is where my family is. So of course it's important to me. I've never been to the Midwest...but i'm wondering if i should go, or maybe at least research indian tribes of that area...
i've always been fascinated by the whole 'circle' thing, that everything is like a wheel...it all comes back around eventually.

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Being married to an Indian, eh? How do you view marriage? To many of course it represents a sacred bond. Maybe you are really into exploring yourself outside of your own region ;) Or at least you want to. You want to go beyond the unknown.

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Marriage, to me, is the union of souls. It starts with two people meeting, discovering they have an infinite connection with each other, an affinity that goes far beyond the personal, as in, likes and dislikes. It's like two souls that click together, and then just fuse, so that nothing can tear them apart.
Marriage is only the symbolic, physical act of this fusion.
If i were to marry, it wouldn't be a huge wedding, and no church, for definite!
it would be somewhere out of doors, on a beach, on top of a hill, under a night sky, something spectacular that comes from Nature itself...
As love is born of nothing it would seem, so are other wonders in the world...they are just there, without question, rhyme or reason. So that's what marriage is, a connection that needs no explanation, and cannot be explained, even by the two people that hold it. It just IS.
I want to go beyond the unknown emotionally yes. I want to see just how much i can give someone. I'm learning this right now. What i'm also learning, is that they can give back to me just as selflessly, and that's what i'm having trouble dealing with. It's like it's okay to love, but not be loved back. Which goes against everything i said about marriage. It's as if i'm scared to let myself totally belong to someone else. Entrust myself solely to them, and let them graft a part of themselves to me.
I'm not worried about an identity crisis, i'll always be me.

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Again the white. Now a pack horse. Drinking water. A pack horse is a horse with bags on it and all--all packed up for an adventure and prepared to face anything...especially a horse that gets to travel. White again could symbolize your inner self. Water is very important to the body. It is necessary for survival. Getting ready for a travel means to prepare. You supplying the water means that maybe you are preparing yourself for such an adventure into the unknown. Waving to the horse is waving to yourself well. And the horse winking back is your inner self recognizing this. Seems you and your inner self seem connected at that moment.
What does this all mean? Beats me! LOL Apparently, you know yourself more than me and what you want to achieve with yourself and your life. Use this dream to see yourself.

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hmm...i'm definitely ready for an adventure...i guess the question i have to ask myself is this: do i want an emotional one, or a practical one?
Well, i've done practical just about every damned day of my life...
So i'd like the emotional one...but to do that, may risk me losing my folks...in a big way...in that, America is a long way to come, and no matter whether you fall in love and marry someone, they will never, ever, replace your family...
It's like a massive sacrifice.

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Maybe being connected to the cosmos is you realizing that you have made this journey with your inner conflicts and self.

I am not sure if this helps, but I hope it aided you in some ways.

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Maybe the answer really is already there, but i haven't accepted it yet. Only when i've accepted it, can i truly act on it...
I know what it's telling me, but it seems improbable, because there seem to be so many other factors to it...
It is very, very complicated...either that, or i think too much, and have made it complicated!

Great interpretation by the way! Especially of the first one!

Congrats Irishcream! You taking the time and anaylzing the dream for you and seeing how it relates to your feelings and life is the number one way to gaining understanding and insight toward yourself. I bet you feel a lot better talking about your dream and figuring out your feelings since now you are becoming more aware of your self, needs, wants and fears. And this will definitely make you a better person =^_^=

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Yes, all my life, i've done what other people say is best for me, mainly my mother. Simply because i'd rather see her happy, than start a fight, which is what used to happen when i was a teenager and tried to rebel!
So, i guess i got used to 'doing as i was told'.
And i don't like to appear selfish, not when i consider the things people have given me in my life, mainly down to mum, she's taught me so much.

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I just want to put this out in the open for you to ponder. I thought it was cool when I learned about it in Philosophy class. Have you ever considered that maybe you are selfish. This is called the 'Pleasure Principle'. Think about it--you chose to make your mom happy so you don't start a fight. You don't want the fight--your pleasure. So you make your mom happy. In general, you behaved selfish for your want of avoiding a fight.

Just wanted to throw that out there for fun :D
Interesting how America now ties in with regards to your family emigrated there. Did you feel resentment--Being left suddenly on your own? Anyway, I wonder if that has any connection to your dreams. You say you are dealing with it now on a personal level. This does definitely show that you want someone close in your life since you lost that very important closeness of your family ties. We all need to feel needed, wanted and not alone. Is this the challenge you are facing in life?

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Definitely! I am looking for adventure, i want to feel and try new things. I've been on this mindset for a while now, and it sees no let up. I do want challenging, in all areas of my life, including work. I've worked at the same place for three years, and although i still love what i do, it's feeling short on challenges, or they don't come at me like they used to...
I feel like i have to make a different journey, one where my parents aren't necessarily there to hold my hand...although someone might be..

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Interesting again...this personal level...this other someone.

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I feel like i have two choices: Both are right for me, but in different ways. However, in terms of these choices, one is made at sacrifice of the other.

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Ack! That does sound like a challenge! And it sounds like you waited the advantages and disadvantages too. Can you reach a compromise, somehow? There is one thing someone said to me if this would help--try to live life without having regrets. I don't know if this would help, but I just wanted to throw that other possiblity out there.

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The colour white...its okay, but i've always found it bland...when i was small, i wanted a white wedding dress, who didn't? But now i'm older, i don't. It seems so...plain. I'd have to jazz it up with some piece of coloured ribbon, or maybe not wear white at all! White symbolises purity for most people, but i associate blue with that colour, because blue is water, and water is pure, the PH of water is 7, which is balance.

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I am happy to see that you questioned yourself about white. Interesting how you view it bland. I wonder what that has to do now with your dreams...

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Kinda what i was saying above...because i have a fear of the unknown, i'm sometimes guilty of 'reverting to type' if you will, in that i stick my head back under the sand, if only to give myself a break!
My inner self is giving me the answers, sure...but it's a question of timing of 'when' i tell the people that matter most to me what it is i'm thinking of doing...and i haven't even told the one person this decision might concern yet, because i'm not sure myself if it feels right...no, that's wrong, it feels right, it's the concept of a thing i can't begin to get used to, no matter how i try.

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I can see how this relates to your dream. Apparently, your inner self sees all of this and is trying to reach out to you. You are definitely learning more about yourself it seems.

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Church and religion are antipathy to me. They make me feel like i'm being held back...(why do i feel like i answered my own question?)

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That might explain why going to the Church was back in the same direction-- away from stepping into the unknown and adventure.

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And in many ways, the challenge i have, i see it as life changing..my final decision is going to change my life, and my family's life, in that something may happen, that sees me not joining them, which would upset them maybe, because up until about six to eight weeks ago, my heart was set on it...or was it? Maybe even three months ago, something was germinating in the back of my mind, but it was too small to see it, and then coming home, something has happened, which may turn all my plans upside down...

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Well, this is definitely a challenge. I see you are facing this dilemma and the dream showed that this is something important to you. Too many decisions. Too chaotic. Should you leap forward and take chances. Is yourself laughing at you because you are uncertain and the answer is there. Your dream shows your response to the stress--you reverting back. And then the dream shows what you feel if you did revert back. Should you?

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I'll know i've made the wrong decision if i ask myself all these questions. But by then, i could be four and a half thousand miles from my second choice, and it'll be too late to go back...

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Are you sure this is permanent?

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I remember sitting there listening to her, and struggling not to laugh...i remember thinking 'now liz, don't be so cynical!' because that's how i react to things that i don't believe to be true, with great cynicsm, and a fair dose of acerbic wit...
I'm no sinner...i'm a great believer in Consequence. I make my decisions. I then have to live with what happens, good or bad. If it goes wrong, it's cos I made a bad choice, no one else. Especially not some preacher who told-me-to-do-it.

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I believe in that too with what you said above.
Anyway, and I am glad you considered more of what the preacher said. If you disagree with it and even mocking it then your dream is showing that you view the choice of chosing of reverting back and not facing the unknown as a joke, not feeling right about it. Apparently, reverting back might show you don't want to be told what you are or what to do. You want to make your own decisions about yourself and in life. Again--can you jump out in front of traffic and go for the unknown instead of turning back and having that run your life.

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discovering they have an infinite connection with each other, an affinity that goes far beyond the personal,

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And you are doing this with an Indian? You should question what is fascinating about the Indian. What do you think he represents? Maybe a part of the unknown you want to explore?

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So i'd like the emotional one...but to do that, may risk me losing my folks...in a big way...in that, America is a long way to come, and no matter whether you fall in love and marry someone, they will never, ever, replace your family...
It's like a massive sacrifice.

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Ah, I finally see the whole challenge. So being with the one you love looks like it is representing the unknown adventure--diving into that traffic. But leaving something else so dear to you behind--your family--and should you go back to them. I admit, you have a lot of thinking to do.

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I know what it's telling me, but it seems improbable, because there seem to be so many other factors to it...
It is very, very complicated...either that, or i think too much, and have made it complicated!

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LOL
I wish I could help you further, but you have to do what you think is right for you, of course and I know you know that.

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Great interpretation by the way! Especially of the first one!

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I was mentally exhausted by the time I got to Dream 2 :-P

I wish you luck!!

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Congrats Irishcream! You taking the time and anaylzing the dream for you and seeing how it relates to your feelings and life is the number one way to gaining understanding and insight toward yourself. I bet you feel a lot better talking about your dream and figuring out your feelings since now you are becoming more aware of your self, needs, wants and fears. And this will definitely make you a better person =^_^=

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Yes, all my life, i've done what other people say is best for me, mainly my mother. Simply because i'd rather see her happy, than start a fight, which is what used to happen when i was a teenager and tried to rebel!
So, i guess i got used to 'doing as i was told'.
And i don't like to appear selfish, not when i consider the things people have given me in my life, mainly down to mum, she's taught me so much.

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I just want to put this out in the open for you to ponder. I thought it was cool when I learned about it in Philosophy class. Have you ever considered that maybe you are selfish. This is called the 'Pleasure Principle'. Think about it--you chose to make your mom happy so you don't start a fight. You don't want the fight--your pleasure. So you make your mom happy. In general, you behaved selfish for your want of avoiding a fight.

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I never thought of that before...next time, i'll just have to fight with her, and have done! lol.

Just wanted to throw that out there for fun :D

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Interesting how America now ties in with regards to your family emigrated there. Did you feel resentment--Being left suddenly on your own? Anyway, I wonder if that has any connection to your dreams. You say you are dealing with it now on a personal level. This does definitely show that you want someone close in your life since you lost that very important closeness of your family ties. We all need to feel needed, wanted and not alone. Is this the challenge you are facing in life?

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I didn't feel resentful at all, i was glad of the challenge at the time, the fact that my parents were leaving me on my own totally for the first time in my life, it gave me a chance to prove that i could look after myself, that i was a fully fledged adult.
And i guess i do want someone close to me, but the key thing is that it's someone who is not tied to my family.
I guess i'm looking for a different kind of closeness, one that's not automatic. One that has to be worked at.
Family love is automatic, it's unconditional.
Another challenge, then...

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Definitely! I am looking for adventure, i want to feel and try new things. I've been on this mindset for a while now, and it sees no let up. I do want challenging, in all areas of my life, including work. I've worked at the same place for three years, and although i still love what i do, it's feeling short on challenges, or they don't come at me like they used to...
I feel like i have to make a different journey, one where my parents aren't necessarily there to hold my hand...although someone might be..

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Interesting again...this personal level...this other someone.

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I feel like i have two choices: Both are right for me, but in different ways. However, in terms of these choices, one is made at sacrifice of the other.

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Ack! That does sound like a challenge! And it sounds like you waited the advantages and disadvantages too. Can you reach a compromise, somehow? There is one thing someone said to me if this would help--try to live life without having regrets. I don't know if this would help, but I just wanted to throw that other possiblity out there.

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The colour white...its okay, but i've always found it bland...when i was small, i wanted a white wedding dress, who didn't? But now i'm older, i don't. It seems so...plain. I'd have to jazz it up with some piece of coloured ribbon, or maybe not wear white at all! White symbolises purity for most people, but i associate blue with that colour, because blue is water, and water is pure, the PH of water is 7, which is balance.

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I am happy to see that you questioned yourself about white. Interesting how you view it bland. I wonder what that has to do now with your dreams...

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Maybe, maybe it's a symbol that i feel life has gone a bit stale, off the boil...being as i find the colour white very uninteresting.

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Kinda what i was saying above...because i have a fear of the unknown, i'm sometimes guilty of 'reverting to type' if you will, in that i stick my head back under the sand, if only to give myself a break!
My inner self is giving me the answers, sure...but it's a question of timing of 'when' i tell the people that matter most to me what it is i'm thinking of doing...and i haven't even told the one person this decision might concern yet, because i'm not sure myself if it feels right...no, that's wrong, it feels right, it's the concept of a thing i can't begin to get used to, no matter how i try.

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I can see how this relates to your dream. Apparently, your inner self sees all of this and is trying to reach out to you. You are definitely learning more about yourself it seems.

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Church and religion are antipathy to me. They make me feel like i'm being held back...(why do i feel like i answered my own question?)

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That might explain why going to the Church was back in the same direction-- away from stepping into the unknown and adventure.

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I never could see the point in going backwards...'the only way forward is forward'

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And in many ways, the challenge i have, i see it as life changing..my final decision is going to change my life, and my family's life, in that something may happen, that sees me not joining them, which would upset them maybe, because up until about six to eight weeks ago, my heart was set on it...or was it? Maybe even three months ago, something was germinating in the back of my mind, but it was too small to see it, and then coming home, something has happened, which may turn all my plans upside down...

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Well, this is definitely a challenge. I see you are facing this dilemma and the dream showed that this is something important to you. Too many decisions. Too chaotic. Should you leap forward and take chances. Is yourself laughing at you because you are uncertain and the answer is there. Your dream shows your response to the stress--you reverting back. And then the dream shows what you feel if you did revert back. Should you?

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I'll know i've made the wrong decision if i ask myself all these questions. But by then, i could be four and a half thousand miles from my second choice, and it'll be too late to go back...

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Are you sure this is permanent?

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I remember sitting there listening to her, and struggling not to laugh...i remember thinking 'now liz, don't be so cynical!' because that's how i react to things that i don't believe to be true, with great cynicsm, and a fair dose of acerbic wit...
I'm no sinner...i'm a great believer in Consequence. I make my decisions. I then have to live with what happens, good or bad. If it goes wrong, it's cos I made a bad choice, no one else. Especially not some preacher who told-me-to-do-it.

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I believe in that too with what you said above.
Anyway, and I am glad you considered more of what the preacher said. If you disagree with it and even mocking it then your dream is showing that you view the choice of chosing of reverting back and not facing the unknown as a joke, not feeling right about it. Apparently, reverting back might show you don't want to be told what you are or what to do. You want to make your own decisions about yourself and in life. Again--can you jump out in front of traffic and go for the unknown instead of turning back and having that run your life.

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I'm wondering, if this has to do with the fact that for so many years, someone else has indeed run my life, to an extent. And now i'm having to run it, but not on a physical level, i know how to do that, it's an emotional level...
Something i've never encountered before, it's like 'oh.'

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discovering they have an infinite connection with each other, an affinity that goes far beyond the personal,

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And you are doing this with an Indian? You should question what is fascinating about the Indian. What do you think he represents? Maybe a part of the unknown you want to explore?

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No, he's not an indian, he's English...But i'd say i felt a connection to him for definite, a connection i don't understand and can't explain...But i still need to know more, before i'm really certain. Where that part of it is concerned, now is definitely not the time to make a decision.

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So i'd like the emotional one...but to do that, may risk me losing my folks...in a big way...in that, America is a long way to come, and no matter whether you fall in love and marry someone, they will never, ever, replace your family...
It's like a massive sacrifice.

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Ah, I finally see the whole challenge. So being with the one you love looks like it is representing the unknown adventure--diving into that traffic. But leaving something else so dear to you behind--your family--and should you go back to them. I admit, you have a lot of thinking to do.

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I know what it's telling me, but it seems improbable, because there seem to be so many other factors to it...
It is very, very complicated...either that, or i think too much, and have made it complicated!

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LOL
I wish I could help you further, but you have to do what you think is right for you, of course and I know you know that.

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Great interpretation by the way! Especially of the first one!

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I was mentally exhausted by the time I got to Dream 2 :-P

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It did feel good to break those dreams down and really look at all the symbols, very rarely do i have to do that with a dream...although it's happening more often lately...the way i look at it is, if these dreams didn't have some kind of meaning, they wouldn't have bugged me so much...
I've had 'big' dreams before, and i've ignored them, and something disastrous has always happened!

Hi, Irish.

About two years ago an Angel came to me and told me "The Church of Paul has one last role to play". It is Paul's Doctrine that we are all sinners. Now it has always been my position that the Catholic Church was not Monolithic -- that it was a compound of two delegations, one of the Paulists (the Sinners) and the other of the Marians.

Your dream is telling me that I am wrong, and in the strictly Institutional Level, I am. The Doctrines of the Catholic Church are indeed almost uniformly Paulist. The Preacher in you dream might as well have been the Pope. They actually do think that we are sinners by nature and necessity... that only forgiveness is available to us, but not transcendence or enlightenment. That Church was dominated by coldness and death.

But you were in white. White is not the color of sin. And you were guided there by quite a Marian Apparition. I can't help but to think that you were not sent to that Church in order to agree with it, but to oppose it -- to run out those Paulist Sinners who belong in the graveyard.

In the second dream, we find that your will (the horse) is pure (white) and that you have sympathy to it (the winking). The well is a connection to your deep spirituality. The Squirrel is the Finder of Secret Things. The Dog is the body which now feels a bit disconnected and -- you mentioned on another page this feeling of disconnectedness and your body is now somewhat suspicious of the spiritual methods which is making it feel 'odd'. Putting the squirrel up in the eaves -- your higher chakras -- protects it from the dog, your lower physical concerns. The Night, in your dream, is your subjective life (under the stars). Subjectively you are connected (married).

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I never thought of that before...next time, i'll just have to fight with her, and have done! lol.
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LMAO
Haven't we all :D

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And i guess i do want someone close to me, but the key thing is that it's someone who is not tied to my family.
I guess i'm looking for a different kind of closeness, one that's not automatic. One that has to be worked at.
Family love is automatic, it's unconditional.
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Congratulations. I know of those wonderful feelings. And I agree--love that has to be worked at. Wondefully put!

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Maybe, maybe it's a symbol that i feel life has gone a bit stale, off the boil...being as i find the colour white very uninteresting.
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Interesting view! And it matches to your feelings and dream.

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I'm wondering, if this has to do with the fact that for so many years, someone else has indeed run my life, to an extent. And now i'm having to run it, but not on a physical level, i know how to do that, it's an emotional level...
Something i've never encountered before, it's like 'oh.'
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I know how you feel. And it can be quiet scary sometimes. And then you do start to feel at a crossroad because then you start to question if you are making the right decisions. This is all part of growing up and becoming mature though. Look at the bright side of that :)

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I am lost. Isn't her dream something to her and has to do with her life and feelings. I wouldn't base important belief systems or truths on another person's dream. Maybe I am confused.

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I can't help but to think that you were not sent to that Church in order to agree with it, but to oppose it -- to run out those Paulist Sinners who belong in the graveyard.
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Why would her dream carry out your wishes? I am again lost. It is her dream. Her life. Her wishes and conflicts. Also she herself felt that religion wasn't the key here and I think she would know more about her inner self and life than anyone of us. Sorry. I am just confused again.

I don't think i was sent to the church to run anybody out...i think i was sent back to the church in my dream, to reinforce the fact that going back, is not the way to go.
I have to go forward now, make a decision. Maybe not right now, or next week. But that time is going to come at some point soon. My dream has told me that much, and i'm listening to it, i've been thinking about it a lot more since i had that dream...
And what's a Marian Apparition?

I'm sure the woman standing in that crossroads was the woman i want to become...Free, confident, slightly blase...as in 'what's the big deal? it's only life.'
partly why i didn't like her much, she in the dream is everything at the moment, i am not in waking life!