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      Woman With Walking Sticks ..

      Dream From June 19 '19:
      it is daytime.
      the location is that of Regent Street and Rugby Road in Lambton.
      I'm standing on the school side of Regent street, on the South side of Rugby Road.
      I look to my left, to the intersection, and see the North side of Regent.
      its on an angle, away to my left.
      approaching the traffic lights for Rugby Road, from the North side of Regent, is a woman, with two walking sticks.
      there is a vehicle behind her.
      she is walking rather slow.
      as she steps forward, i see that she is wearing a long skirt, from her hips, down to her feet.
      she is wearing a shirt, or top of some sort; it could be a grey long or short sleeved top.
      her skirt is pink (?)
      she is slim.
      as I watch her, I see her legs disappear, or fade to oblivion.
      what the?
      this is like that of back to the future where he is playing guitar at the dance, and he begins to fade from the picture of his family.
      all that's left of her, is her torso and head.
      i really hope that her torso doesn't fall to the ground and she dies.
      behind this woman, is a block of apartments, or a lone ground floor house, with a brick fence.
      the place, as i see it, is to my right, next door to what is the asian takeaway shop, to the right of it.
      a woman who lives there is standing at the brick fence and sees this woman, with the walking sticks.
      the resident, asks the stick woman, is she ok.
      then her legs return.
      eh?
      all because of a question?
      next thing i know, i'm on that side of the road, walking with the sticks woman, to her left.
      from what i can, we could be walking along the path of Rugby Road, going East.
      i look to her, to my right.
      she looks youngish.
      she says something to me, which i find rather bizarre.
      she tells that she has parked her car in Sydney and has walked all the way from Sydney to Newcastle.
      she doesn't say where she has parked, or why she has walked, what would be at least 250 km's distance, to Newcastle.
      not sure she still has her sticks with her, when her and i walk together.
      that scene ends.
      and then i see something, that of newspaper, and reading an article about the death of a woman.
      is it the same woman?
      then the dream ends.

      any questions or comments ?

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      IMG_0527.jpg ..

      was able to get this, while there was no traffic around ..
      am looking north as well ..
      east is to my right ..

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      Dreams are not well planned out cinematographic projects. They are the random ebb and flow of schemas present in your psyche, following the tides of association. Sometimes things will multiply, or be present in great quantities, because it is easy: copy paste. Sometimes things will disappear temporarily just because. Nothing is really there physically so it's not strange that some details morph, disappear, or are lacking in the first place. Faces might be incomplete. Whole objects even. In a dream of mine, I was driving half a car, but the missing bits of the car were inconsequential to the dream. Even the passenger was missing but they soon reappeared after I ignored their absence knowing that's how dreams work. These are some natural patterns of dreams.

      So in your dream, you're walking in a familiar setting (familiar) and one woman has two canes (multiplication). Her bottom part disappears (missing visuals).

      Ok, up to here, everything is normal. It seems like a very normal dream. Just very familiar. The dream being weird as dreams are by multiplying and missing visuals. All too normal.

      Then comes in your critical mind. You're sleeping so it's not so bright just then but it's still there. There's many things that your critical mind is missing at that moment and I guess you don't realize you are dreaming, but you do think it's weird that this woman's legs are missing. That's your conscious mind responding to the dream by being critical.

      Then, the dream responds to your reaction. A woman voices your very concern to the lady whose body is disappearing. Only natural.

      By now, there's lots of focus on that woman's body, so the visuals become complete again. There are sometimes delays in such things. But it's only natural that her body comes back, especially now that it is the focal point of the dream.

      Then, she gives you a nonsense story (locations don't match, just kind of random but recognizable) and you're so weirded out by her story. This inspires the dream to show you a News Article about a mystery woman. She's dead! Wow. Where could she have been from?

      All in all, I think this dream is very baseline. Like, looking in the side mirror of your car. Seeing familiar things with the slight optical illusions as described at the bottom of the very same mirror.

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      Generally, if you are interested in interpreting your dreams, I suggest looking at patterns. Do not focus on just one dream. Have a dream journal and after a while, take note of patterns. What are some common scenarios. How do your dreams behave? How do you behave. Don't waste time on patterns that are inherent to dreaming. If while dreaming, things disappear, that's just dream mechanics. If you are critical of weird things within the dream, that's just your conscious mind responding to the dream.

      For myself, a pattern that I found interesting was that I realized my dreams were often about running away from giant communities of people. Seeing this pattern, I asked myself, how does this reflect my living experience? Well, I do feel anxious around people... Oh my god. I have social anxiety. I had never really noticed how I couldn't hold a glass of water in public without making spills. So from there, I was able to heal my social anxiety to somewhere where it is better and my social life has much improved. That's an example. Last night, walking in a dream, I came by an amazing restaurant with open doors and inviting music. Instead of going in, I assumed I didn't belong there and moved along. Thinking about the dream, I realized I have a pattern in dreams of thinking restaurants are off limits to me. How does this reflect my living experience? Well, I am careful about money and I have only recently allowed myself to go to restaurants but my family criticizes me for it. Well, what's my financial situation? It's good enough for me to go to the restaurants without stressing about it. So I spent all day thinking about myself going to restaurants and paying for myself and others, also visualizing myself in dreams at restaurants, taking money out to pay and thinking I can provide this for myself. So that I can overcome that barrier in my mind telling me restaurants are off limit for me. Hopefully in future restaurant dreams, I'll enjoy the food from now on.

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      In the dream you provided, there's little room to spot a particular pattern that you could think about and see how it reflects to your lived experience. Dream characters' shirt color or the distance between their hypothetical home and their current location on their little trek are pretty irrelevant to you. I just went and looked at the four dreams you posted recently. Two are about sports and two include a News about a death. I can sort of imagine the four dreams being connected in a similar theme: television experience. Are you someone who watches sports and the news on TV? It feels to me these dreams are all reflections of that, like residual memories of your day, watching TV but somewhat strange due to the nature of dreaming. I personally wouldn't make much of this. For example, I often have dreams that I am playing a game. These dreams are just reflections of games I've played. They're fun.
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      ok, so this one being from 2019, is one that i had, whilst a member of another forum, which crashed.
      of course, you wouldn't recognise my dream themes because of the few dreams i have submitted on here.
      sports dreams are fairly regular.
      so a question for you, what do the walking sticks mean?
      an, why would she walk from Sydney, to Newcastle, consider the time it would take to get from Sydney to Newcastle .. ?
      i have had another dream, in the same suburb as this dream, which, when i find it, i can submit it.

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      I think the fact that she has two walking sticks instead of one is a multiplication event. The dream copy pasting things. Why was she using a walking stick in the first place? Why not?

      But, I now understand you are looking to interpret your dreams as precognition.

      In my point of view, getting a Newspaper article dream about a dead woman, while someone somewhere else in the world crashes outside of your control, I don't see the interest there. To me, it's really just a sensational news dream. You posted another dream about news of someone's death. The association is "Sensational News: Someone died!"

      Sydney, Newcastle... Just filler words I think. Name two cities as quick as you can think! London, Barcelona! I am from London and now I've made my way to Barcelona. If I dream about a lottery ticket, there's little chance that's the winning ticket, most likely the numbers on my dream ticket are as random as any roll of a dice.

      If I take the time to write this and perhaps convince you that this is a simple cozy looking in your side mirror dream and not some precognitive dream is because that's first of all what makes the most intuitive sense to me but also because the people I have met who say they get dreams of people dying before they do generally find it is a stressful burden. An unnecessary burden I think you could easily not carry, because it's not all so convincing in the first place. However, one person I have met, despite hating this phenomena had used these dreams to accompany the dying to the other side. She would hold them and sing songs or just be present.

      EDIT: In our Book Club, I'm supposed to be taking a leap of faith for these sort of things for the duration of the book... Well, I'm already failing. I guess is I just see this attitude as only causing harm (stress on the person). Hopefully you find a positive outlet for it.
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      Occipitalred, I'm not sure how you figured that they might be looking to interpret these dreams as precognitive, but maybe I missed something because I'm quite tired.

      Otherwise, I do generally agree with Occipitalred on the rest of things, especially on the points regarding location names and finding general dream patterns.



      To offer some of my own thoughts, since it seems dreams of sports are a theme for you, it would seem to me that the walking sticks could have some symbolic relevance, but I would be making a lot of assumptions as to what they are relevant to exactly. For example; it could be about there being a "crutch" of some kind, or the need for one it could be about fears about being unable to support yourself individually, or even about fears of having a sporting accident and being on the mend and unable to participate in sport. These are all random guesses as to what it could mean, from me.

      For you to be able to identify whether it is a significant symbol or not to you, you need to think for yourself about what the visual images from the dream could mean to you on a more personal level. The woman might be someone you know, but it might not and is likely just representing some part of yourself, as many dream characters can even when they are people we know in waking life.

      Of course the walking sticks could just be walking sticks too. There may be no special relevance to them in terms of dream symbology, just as the street itself or any traffic signals present there. There is always a chance that we focus on something because it seems foreign to a scene or context, sometimes because we are noticing for the first time and other times because that thing really is out of its context and just draws attention to itself. That just means we gave it more importance on some level simply because it was new or different in some way.

      Without knowing you, we can only make guesses of course, which is why I suggest as above that you explore the dream images and symbols for yourself too. We are no more correct on their meaning than you are, but we might be able to get you thinking about them in a way you hadn't considered yet.
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      so i can understand your method of interpreting, what is precognition ?
      other than the woman, whom i don't know, nor have seen before, the only aspect i do recognise is the street location.
      and this dream doesn't seem to be part of any pattern regarding other dreams, of women, or even of the particular street location.

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      DD, do you consider the walking sticks to be irrelevant, for understanding the dream?

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      Oh, I was wrong about aussiemusician trying to interpret the dream as precognition, oops! Precognition is knowing about future events through supernatural phenomena. I assumed that because it seemed that you were trying to make a connection between your dream of a woman and the news of death to real life events (the death of a forum member) that you did not know of before the dream? Also, I thought perhaps you were trying to find out how the dream was telling you something about Sydney and Newcastle and a woman. Ex. There will be a bus crash departing from Sydney going to Newcastle leading to the death of a woman. That's what I thought you were trying to do so sorry about that.


      I'll add this. I like to think of dream content as the faces of a dice. Whether you roll a 3 or a 6 is random... But whichever it falls on, it won't be sooo random because it was etched there in the first place. In dreams, if someone names the name of a place, it could be a nonsensical name or it could be a familiar name. It's random, but not sooo random because they are places you know.

      I think DarkestDarknest gave a good run down of the walking sticks. Just ask yourself the question "What does it mean to me?"

      What are walking sticks? Support. What are walking sticks to you? Do you have any experiences with them or with other people using them? What does it make you think of to think of walking sticks?

      If you want to have fun, we can make all sorts of associations. What about: "The woman who lost part of her body (identity crisis) was still able to stand thanks to her walking sticks (Support from social circle) until her body reformed (new identity)." That's a nice wholesome and fun way to interpret the dream. Like, maybe right now, your sense of identity is changing and your social circle is what's giving you the strength to go through with it in a healthy way. This type of interpretation is fun but I think it's us creating the meaning after the fact. I would say we're constructing the interpretation instead of actually listening to the dream.

      So, to summarize, there's a few approaches to dream interpretation:
      Precognitive - Link the dream to future or current events in real life that you didn't know about before the dream.
      Constructive - Make links between dream content and symbology to create a narrative.
      Structural - Observe patterns in dreams to notice behaviors of your psyche.

      I just made up those names just now so take with a grain of salt. But the kind of interpretation I favor is structural as defined above. From that way of interpreting dreams, looking at your dreams is like looking at a mirror. When you look at a mirror, if you see you're wearing a pink shirt, there's no meaning behind that. You're seeing that because that's what's there. In your dreams, you see a familiar street because it's somewhere in your psyche along with generic women with walking canes. If you look at the patterns, you'll notice the characteristics I mentioned before such as multiplicity, lacking visuals, etc... If walking cane dreams become a pattern, it'll become more interesting to start asking questions such as "How do I feel in those dreams and how do I react to the walking canes?"

      To conclude, if you look at your dreams and they are about sport news, and that's a part of your daily life, it's not that it's meaningless, but the dream is just clearly a reflection of your daily life with the distortions that are natural characteristics of dream, so there's not much more questioning necessary here.
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      walking stick is like this ..

      https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...uypuQ&usqp=CAU

      and not like that of a crutch ..

      precognitive would be great, that has never happened for me .. regarding women ..

      perhaps ill be "supportive" of the woman ?
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      For sure, you could take this dream as an invitation to reflect on how you are supportive to the women in your life or a particular woman.
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      well, i know few women, who'd want me to be supportive of them ..
      be it a friend or acquaintance ..
      also face to face or even online ..

      and that's apart from any of my female relatives ..

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      Is it just the case for women or do you find you don't connect to many people in general?

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      well mostly women .. especially single women.
      unless i know them, and have a great rapport with women, well then, women don't go out of their way to talk to me.
      even when i have approached them for a conversation, it usually doesn't progress to a second conversation.
      whether women, or a woman doesn't consider me handsome, masculine, or generally appealing, i don't know.
      the last time i had any relationship with a woman, was 1998, and the years before that, but even then, not a lot of interaction.

      oddly, talking to a woman who is married, depending on who she is, and whether i know her husband fairly well, conversing with them is opposite to singles.
      i would say this is particularly true, for Christian women, because most couples i know, are Christian/attend church.
      other couples may not attend church.

      and not that i am after any tips or advise about approaching women, because im not.
      regarding interaction, each woman is different.
      nor am i after any sympathy, or anything like for being single.
      thats life.

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      Sounds like you're more comfortable when there are clear boundaries and there are less uncertainties and pressures, but yes, to get away from that and back to the dream. Now that you've described to yourself your rapport to women, how would you describe your rapport with women in dreams? Perhaps, relationships with women in dreams? And how do they compare to this dream with the woman with the cane?

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      Occi, obviously you don't know all my dreams, so i would have to say, that relationships with women in dreams, have given me the space to get close to women.
      and yet, a lot of the dream women are visually vague.
      for some of them, i can see their face, but most of them i don't.
      without clearly seeing a particular woman's face, i can still know its her by her physique or other traits.
      and then when i can clearly see a woman's face, its a relief, to know for sure who she is.
      but seeing her face doesn't last, because she leaves the dream, or i wake.

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      I think the lacking visuals here are a natural dream trait again, like the cane woman's legs disappearing temporarily. It seems that your relationship with women in dreams is overall positive so that's great.

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      so the dream realm is one place ..

      and reality is another eh ?

      i'd have to say, that they don't match each other ...

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      In which way do you mean that they do not match each other?

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      for example, say you and i knew each other face to face, as acquaintances, who spoke to each once every few weeks.
      we may know a little bit about each other.
      however despite all of that, i don't have a dream of you.
      does that make sense?

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      Hmmm. Are you telling me that:

      1. You don't dream about your acquaintances that you see frequently. Dreams are not a good representation of your life.

      or

      2. We share our waking life with other people, but we don't share our dream life with other people. We are alone in dreams.

      or

      3. Something else

      ?

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      well, no, i don't dream of most people i see in person .

      some acquaintances have been in my dreams .. but otherwise .. no ..

      have had one dream, of a former female pastor, whose face i saw really clearly, which was itself surprising.

      some women who have been in my dreams, are actresses.

      other women who have been in my dreams, are women ive never met, or seen in person ..

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      Well, I'm also surprised by how little I dream of people from my everyday life, but I still do dream about them.

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      so, do you dream of people you know ?

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