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      Riddle given by dream character

      Hello,

      After successfully incubating a dream to provide me with information on a project I am currently developing, the dream charcter (bodyless voice), after providing me with part of the information I required, said the following, and gave a riddle:
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      "Bind moonstone and dust with the shadow of sage."

      "Let it silence for a while then breathe within yourself, for without yourself the shadow lurks, not just you, but the shadow you have become.
      Wait until the full moon. you will have great power then."

      "Even now you contemplate going to a Seer, Do you think you will be given an answer? Solve this first: it involves past dreams;

      what crosses a river when it is not a rat?"

      [Then almost immediately after that was asked, I gave an answer]

      "WHEN IT IS A COURIER?"

      "CORRECT --> SHADOW IS the stone that will bind."

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      (obscure capitalised letters mean firm intonation of words used - often different intonation: different meaning or more in-depth/exact meaning. Whilst material given may also be obscure when asterisked, this is due to the project being multi-layerd, it has taken a long time so far. I feel if I did not include it, the riddle I cannot understand, may be meaningless. Also where it says "Solve this first: it involves past dreams;", I don't recall a dream with simal symbolism attached to it.)

      The reason for this post, is if anybody can offer an insight into what the riddle meant, and if possible, why I should offer an answer so imediately (thinking can be hard in an incubated/lucid dream)

      Thank you in advance, if you can offer any insight no matter how obscure!

      --RavenDaze--
      The Present Is The Only Reality,
      As The Past Is A Memory,
      And The Future Merely Illusion.

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      I don't mean to make me sound stupid but, do you want us to solve the riddle, interpret the dream or both?
      en matsurigoto goshujin mugen itsu shura o za yami

      yu-kirenai rai ware datte nara maro tenshin za ikko tentai, en iyoku tai ato chousen

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      I don't mean to sound inquisitive, but "answer seemed to be a question" if I am not making as much sense as a 21st century human, I sinceryly appologise, I obviously do not know as much about the world than those that take the pssssss. If I really was serious about myself, I might be more serious with my answer.

      Have you not seen enough people die for your STUPID question to be answered..

      Less than seven years remaining, don't you know you stupid F***. and you want to take the piss of me?? * If you the mods decide to take msg from here you kno wat.
      The Present Is The Only Reality,
      As The Past Is A Memory,
      And The Future Merely Illusion.

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      I am too

      I am too intelligent to give a dam, Iknew this place was mrely a bunch of ignorant fools seeking a greater ego. I have met such, and they will be most surpised when I refuse them, the fat pastards.
      The Present Is The Only Reality,
      As The Past Is A Memory,
      And The Future Merely Illusion.

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      What in blazing HELL do you think you're doing, RavenDaze? I sincerely hope that you get a permanent ban for this. I can understand that you wanted interpretation, and I see that the first person to reply obviously didn't give you an answer, but rather a question. But when you go off on the entire forum like that, it's bound to tick people off. And with what reasoning? You saw ONE POST and decided everybody on the forum was stupid. All you are is a pompous ASS.

      Less than seven years remaining, don't you know you stupid F***. and you want to take the piss of me?? * If you the mods decide to take msg from here you kno wat.[/b]
      Please try to talk coherently. But on the 2012 thing, GET A DAMN LIFE. The Mayans had NO BLOODY CLUE when the world was going to end. They made a few pointless calculations using numbers that meant NOTHING and got two IRRELEVANT dates, then labelled them 'World Begins' and 'World Ends'.

      I am too intelligent to give a dam, Iknew this place was mrely a bunch of ignorant fools seeking a greater ego. I have met such, and they will be most surpised when I refuse them, the fat pastards.[/b]
      Too intelligent my ASS. You've got as much intelligence as the can of mayo in the refrigerator upstairs. Kindly explain to me how, being so intelligent, you place stock in the superstition regarding 2012? As I said earlier, the Mayans had no deep research or even a basis at all for their 'World Ending' theory. What they did was took their two calendars: One, an accurate astrological calendar, and the other a religious calendar based on NOTHING empirical. Unless you intend to tell me you still practice the Mayan religion, you have no reason to believe in such a calendar. And when I say Mayan religion, I mean the human sacrifices and all. And may I say that if you DO follow such a religion, you're a sick, twisted human being who deserves a very painful death. Now, the Mayans took those two calendars and figured the last time that they started on the same day, then called that the beginning of the world. Then took the next time they started on the same day and called it the end of the world. REAL scientific, eh? See more on the supposed 2012 prophecies here: Has anyone else heard about 2012 being like this? The Significance of 2012

      And as for "mrely a bunch of ignorant fools seeking a greater ego" (<--Spelling errors and all, O'Genius One), you're the one who waltzed in to the forum with no experience or knowledge of what the people were like, then judged the entire forum on a single post by somebody who merely wanted clarification on what your question was. Then you pumped yourself up to be some super-genius prophet fortelling the end of the world and proclaiming our collective ignorance. You've got one major ego problem. Not to mention ignorance.
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      as far as i know, the 2012 thing is when a shift in consciousness is supposed to take place, not the end of the world. ( humans will vibrate on a higher/refined octave) but the mayan calendar has to end somewhere, so maybe they just thought 2012 was far enough into the future to predict. nobody can really say.
      everyone has always been predicting the end of the world, and it hasnt happened yet. if youve heard sri yuketswar's explanation of the cycle of life/light, (24,000 years in a cycle...same as the amount of time it takes our solar system to orbit the galaxy) then one can see that we still have a long way to go before we reach the zenith. in fact, we're currently on the rise from the furthest point away from god/light, (which was around 500 AD) ...if anything i think the 2012 thing might be our entrance into the aquarian age.
      your mind is a chasm of light

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      As much as I enjoy a flame war on a cold winter day, maybe this thread can get back on topic.

      what crosses a river when it is not a rat?\" [/b]
      I had 2 associations to this:

      Rat's leave a sinking ship, so maybe what's missing is a boat or vehicle.

      Raft is Rat with an F added. Ferries are used to cross rivers.

      Shadow = Reflection (think about mental act of reflection).

      Perhaps if some elements of project were provided other ideas/interpretations could come.
      "we may accept dream telepathy as a working hypothesis." Stephen LaBerge, page 231 Lucid Dreaming 1985

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      The topic's already been dragged enough off topic, and I really don't want to contribute to any further arguments for the moment, but I'd just like to clarify something: The Mayans DID believe that the world would END in 2012. Not a shift in consciousness, not a change in culture, but MASS DESTRUCTION AND THE END OF THE WORLD. Same thing with their prediction on the beginning of the world. They really thought that the world started in 3114 BC. That wasn't when they believed that they first came about, that was when they believed that EVERYTHING came about. So are you just being a selective believer? You believe that 2012 really is significant, but that they were wrong about everything else? The bipolarity of the arguments presented by the paranoid paranormal believers always surprises me.

      Anyway, like I said, I don't really want to drag this topic off any further, so if you really want to keep discussing 2012, post in one of the 2012 threads I linked to earlier and I'll be glad to argue it there.

      As for these 'riddles', I'd be moderately sure that they're not significant. Most words said in dreams are difficult to recall exactly, even if you're lucid and paying attention at the time. Because of the way the mind works when in a dream, the more important thing is the feeling or general impression you get from what's said in the dream, rather than the specific content. Further, remember that there's only ONE mind present in your dream. YOURS. If the dream has a meaning for you, it came from YOUR head, not somebody or something else's. Things in dreams are often jumbled, and rarely mean anything, but leave lasting and deep impressions. It's human nature, therefore, to sensationalize them and try to extract meaning, but often times there simply isn't a meaning there. And if there is, remember what I said about where the dream came from: Your head. IF the dream means anything, you're the only one that meaning can be applied to, and you're likely the only one who'll be able to discover that meaning. Like I said earlier, the feelings are more important than the words, because the words aren't clear in dreams. That's why reading a sentence twice makes a good reality check: The mind doesn't have good enough short-term memory to remember the words exactly, so the wording changes slightly, or even dramatically. Speech is often the same way, especially when it's complex or involving riddles or stories. Therefore what's important in the riddle would be the feeling you got, not the words it was put into. Posting the words you heard, or words similar to those you heard, won't get you the solution you're looking for because the solution you want is based on something that only YOU witnessed. Being so infinitely intelligent as you claim to be, I'd assume you'd be able to figure that out.
      [23:17:23] <+Kaniaz> "You think I want to look like Leo Volont? Don't you dare"

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      Re: I am too

      [quote]I am too intelligent to give a dam, Iknew this place was mrely a bunch of ignorant fools seeking a greater ego. I have met such, and they will be most surpised when I refuse them, the fat pastards.[/quote

      Sorry to get rude with you but you are an absolute asshole who has no idea about the people using this forum. Sad and pathetic I think describe your posts.
      you sound like a bored school kid who goes on chat room and forums just to annoy people, well done you succeded.

      And before you start rambling on about the future why dont you heed your own signature you bloody twat.

      I'm ashamed you are a fellow brit.
      The Sandman is near.

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      Re: Riddle given by dream character

      Originally posted by ravendaze
      Hello,
      "Bind moonstone and dust with the shadow of sage."

      "Let it silence for a while then breathe within yourself, for without yourself the shadow lurks, not just you, but the shadow you have become.
      Wait until the full moon. you will have great power then."

      "Even now you contemplate going to a Seer, Do you think you will be given an answer? Solve this first: it involves past dreams;

      what crosses a river when it is not a rat?"

      [Then almost immediately after that was asked, I gave an answer]

      "WHEN IT IS A COURIER?"

      "CORRECT --> SHADOW IS the stone that will bind."
      Moonstone can be looked up on the internet, as well as sage.

      I dont know much, but this sounds like a magick spell in a lot of ways, a lot of mysterious occult nature. I often burn sage incense, it promotes positive atmosphere and wards off negative energies. To take a guess at it, a lot of this is perhaps in reference to Yesod, which you can also google. Not sure on that one though, also worth a look at solar plexus chakra. The shadow is you in my opinion, and you have become it by making bad choices. The reference of a rat is reference to you as well. I am not sure on the name courier however.

      I think you should do what it says, get some moon stone (look for a local occult or new age shop in your town). "Bind moonstone and dust with the shadow of sage."

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