Dream self had freaky zen vision weirdness thing happen

**JET73L** · 11-16-2008 12:32 AM

Saturday, November 15, 2008 (late morning)
Keyword: A Sort of Nirvana
[start of dream]After a bunch of ridiculous stunts on a motor scooter and running through a forested park with lots of trees and hills and no human terraformation, I unexpectedly meet up with a girl toward whom I am in romantic pursuit. Everything was cool for a few minutes until, leaving the park, we saw her former boyfriend who rand up to us with an anti-abortion petition. Shortly later, her… I don’t know if she was the girl’s friend or relative or what, but an older woman walked up to say hi. I‘d met them both before; the woman was cool, if a bit… Well, take Dharma’s parents from Dharma and Greg, with Abby’s looks, voice, gender, and outspokenness, and Larry’s mindset. That’s about as accurate a description as you can get. The guy… well, he was annoying when I first met him, then I found out he was the belligerent , fundamentalist-catholic ex-boyfriend of my now-girlfriend. You do the math. They were arguing, my girlfriend is just a little bit pro-choice (not enough to sign the petition, but not enough to petition his petition be banned).They start arguing at her, and somebody has the bright idea to try and intervene on behalf of his girlfriend… Oh, wait, that was me. They turn on me, I try to explain my view of the “don’t carewhat others do, as long as it doesn’t mistreat people or break the laws of their religion, country, or current location.”They went straight for the metaphorical throat, metaphorical teeth and claws bared. I suddenly flash to a woodcut of the great zen master Po and his disciple. He was all fat and bald and really old (didn’t look much like the more common representation of the Buddha, too old, no mega-earlobes). His disciple was getting angry, and Master Po said, “I am the agonist, You are the antagonist. Together we thrive.” (my ears heard it in another language, but my brain heard it in english; I think something was lost in translation.) Then , while he started to say something else, the bottom dropped out of reality. I don’t remember anything from then on, other than that I was experiencing, as far as I could tell, pure contentment and bliss unhindered by thought or worry.[end of dream] Then I was woken up.

I have no idea what that was about. It seemed to be a vision, sort of like when I happen to remember things that happened yet, or see things that shouldn't be where they are, but it has never happened like that while dreaming, and I don't recall it ever being of a time before I was born, or of a woodcut or painting of the scene rather than the scene itself, as it's usually full visual immersion, and partial to full audio.
Anyway, the bit where my dream self has the vision, I may have been partially lucid before then, where I know it's a dream bu thave no reason to acknowledge it, but I mostly think I wasn't. After that, I thought I was tripping out or hallucinating (I now think I may have been hit by a car, or in the head with a brick), because although it seemed like some sort of super zen master vision thing, it didn't seem like previous occurences of possible clairvoyance. Then, for the rest, I'm not sure what that was about. I think my dream self might have either died or realized something fundamentally inherent about the universe.

Anyway, does anyone have the least bit of an idea of what it might mean?

**slayer** · 11-16-2008 06:32 AM

Not really.

What I gathered was that you had a dream about following a girl you were in love with, then metting her ex-bf that had a petition for banning abortion. Your new gf was pro-choice, and didn't want to sign it. They started argueing and you intervined and said something that got both of them to turn on you.

Now, I don't know who this "Great zen master Po" is, but after thinking about what "agonist" and "antagonist" would have to do with each other, I came to the conclusion that "Po" was a symbol of the "sex" hormone, and you were against it in some way, the antagonist.

What I mean is, is that you were against abortion, which is caused by sex, and which is caused by a sex hormone, or agonist.

I'm not saying that you actually are against abortion, but that's what I think your dream is about.

**JET73L** · 11-16-2008 09:04 AM

So, what you're saying is that it could have been a pile of Freud Was Right references mixed in with a debate I heard two weeks ago and a kung-fu movie, where all the DCs were metaphors either for the causes or results of sex? The bit of my ego that translates what my id is telling me must hate the conscious bits of my brain.

Okay, a bit of background and explanation:
-My girlfriend was mostly neutral on the subject, it was a friend of hers who was the obsessively pro-choice side of the argument.
-The girlfriend in this post does not exist IRL, and I feel nothing deeper than companionship and attraction. I have not had a long-term relationship in... What, nearly eight years? And it probably didn't count, considering the age (or lack thereof). I was recently (2.5 weeks) left by a girl with the most similar interests to me that I have ever met (okay, that could explain the "also neutral" part), because she had too much schoolwork. Haven't seen her since.
-I watched Kung-Fu Panda at least five times yesterday afternoon and last night. Once to see the movie, twice because it was on autoplay and there was nothing good on television, once because I wanted to hear the directors' commentary, and at least once more because the disc was still on autoplay. (This was shortly followed by The Nightmare Before Christmas and some Tim Burton style ripoff on Sci-fi channel).
-I was neither Disciple nor Po. They were characters in a painted woodcarving of a chinese philosopher, with a list of quotes. I thought I was awake, and in the previous scene, but either had my skull caved in or was experiencing a supernatural message.
-Although I doubt that "Po" was actually his real name (I suspect it was probably two syllables), this zen master guy is one of the few DCs to be given a name that do not exist IRL (historical people and movie/TV cast and characters count as existing in real life).Others include, in mostly chronological order, a ghost; a mad scientist (the ghost's father); a teenage ninja (confused for the ghost); a person who may have been a dream guide and ran a bookshop/antique store; a girlfriend and first lieutenant of cacophony club (devastated when I woke up and realized she didn't exist any more); two people who worked at my mansion when I was a warlock, one of which may have been a bit dream-guideish; and at most one or two others that I can't think of right now. (The disciple's name was never mentioned, but I have a feeling that his given name was actually Disciple).
-I assumed that I was dead, but your explanation of a flood of hormone while asleep might make sense, especially given the tripping out feeling. Certainly makes more sense than dying (or being told by the ghost of a centuries-dead philosopher what dying is like), going to the entirely wrong afterlife, and then getting better. (Now if only I could get the image out of my head of a lewd 13th century woodcarving of an elderly fat man with a fortunately placed petition clipboard. This s your punishment for invoking "everything=sex")

So, anyway, I was asking specifically about the bit at the end where it seemed like an afterlife sort of thing (a la FFVII Lifestream, End of Evangelion, DeathNote[only less depressing], or any one of a number of referencesto this sort of afterlife)

Thanks for answering, if you, or anyone else, has anything to add, I would appreciate hearing your opinions.

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