Dream: New Jerusalem; August 13, 2009

[IrisRavenstar]

Dream: New Jerusalem; August 13, 2009 I was in an unfamiliar big house with my "mother", who didn't actually look like my mother, but then I think I looked more like a teenager than like my current self in this dream. I was upset because there were a huge number of houseguests in our house, and I couldn't find anyplace to be alone and read quietly like I liked to do, or to just *think!* I only remember parts of this dream, certain scenes, but I think there was much more to it than I remember. In one scene, I saw a little girl in a frilly pink dress, like one I've seen my grand daughter wear in a photo, and she was crawling on the floor near her mother, who was sitting on the floor with her legs spread in front of her. Suddenly the little girl turned and tried to crawl up inside her mother's skirt, and it looked as if she was trying to crawl back inside her mother's womb. At another point, I went into a crowded room where there were several computers set up. I went to one of them, and saw some sort of religious medallion painted in bright primary colors, and I took it, and went back to my room with it, and put it in a desk drawer. Then I went back to the computer room again, and looked at the same computer area some more, and this time, I took a CD case that had two silver medallions, kind of thin and flat, also with religious symbols, and a bright shiny gold CD that I thought was a computer disk, not a music CD. I took those as well, and carried them to my room, and put them in a different drawer in the same desk. I cannot remember any details on the medallions, unfortunately. But they were beautiful. I didn't seem to feel any guilt about taking them, so perhaps they were mine, but I'm not sure. Then I was outside the house and it was even more crowded out there. I found myself being sort of carried along by the movement of the others out there. I was trying at the same time to study a fascinating pattern that had appeared in the sky, seemingly made of reddish colored lights. It covered a large area. As I studied the pattern, I realized there were kite shapes all through it, the old-fashioned kites we made as kids with two stick crossing, and then paper and string used to make the kite. Sort of an elongated diamond shape. In between the kite shapes, there were spirals and swirls and other things I couldn't quite make out because the crowd pushed me along so quickly and eventually there was a tall building in the way. It was so beautiful, and I felt quite frustrated not to be able to study it quietly. I kept trying to kind of *save* the image in my mind; I didn't want to lose it. As the crowd moved along with me in the middle of it, we came to a mountain, and began to climb up, and as we climbed, the crowd thinned out. It was beautiful, with woods and streams, all very lovely, and finally peaceful. I reached a place where I saw a long rectangular building built of red rock, like red jasper, with other colored stones set in between the rocks of jasper. It was beautiful, but then I looked up and realized this was just an outbuilding for the fantastical cube-shaped castle-like structure, a small city, really, that was perched on the mountain's flat top. It too was made of red jasper and multi-colored stones set between, and it sparkled then in the sunlight. I was drawn to continue my climb, determined to reach this stone fortress, and see who else was there. I just knew it was really a walled city. I woke up still climbing the trail. EOD Notes: The city reminds me of the New Jerusalem in the book of Revelation, or of Camelot. I also grew up in a place called East Matunuck (Matunuck is Narragansett for "high place")... when you enter East Matunuck, you come to a fork in the road, and the left fork went into Snug Harbor, where my house was, and the right fork went to Jerusalem beach and the summer cottages down there. Across the pond from Jerusalem was the town of Galilee, where my stepfather, a commercial fisherman, unloaded his fishing boat at the Fisherman's Co-op. In way, that was always my idea of a "new Jerusalem." I grew up there, and loved it there, and sometimes wish to go live there again. The only rocks there are the seawall, which I can't manage anymore, but we (one of my friends and I) used to go walk that thing most good days, all the way to the end and back. The cube is a shape of stability, permanence, and I'm sure that's why the New Jerusalem is portrayed that way in the Bible. The patterns in the sky sort of remind me of astrology charts I've seen where they connect the dots of the stars to make shapes. Also, I was reading yesterday that it's optimum time to view the Perseid meteor showers, and wanted to go out last night, but it was overcast and drizzling. Pout. I'll stop here with the notes... these are my first free associations though! I know there'll be more. This feels like one of those "Big Dreams" people often talk about, full of deep symbolism. Some of it makes sense already, much does not, so I'd love to hear what others see in it.

[Dreamcaster]

Hi, Iris. Really awesome dream. Your dream seems to be spiritually inclined so I'm gonna add my own spiritually based insight. Typically I view houses as representing the vessel of the soul. I believe that in the same way our physical body is living body made up a multitude smaller bodies (cells); I believe that the spirit, which is part of our soul, is made up a multitude of other lesser spirits. The people in your dream represent those spirits. I believe we commune with spirits all the time. We commune with spirits like we breath air, but the number of spirits some one may commune may vary. Apparently the large number of people in your dream suggests that you're very blessed. Think of Abraham. Like Abraham you seem to be blessed with a house that is as numerous as the stars in the sky. It seems that the spirits, as represented by the archetypes in your dream, are drawn to you. They gather around you. I believe the spiral represents this concept. Like water is drawn to drain in a sink or air is drawn into a fan; these spirits are drawn to you. The fact that it was hard for you to read because there were so many people may show that are receiving a higher level of knowledge from these spirits but it is hard for you to process this info; much like a computer processes info. I believe that as we commune with spirits, holy or otherwise, we receive knowledge. The golden CDs that were like medallions may represent that knowledge you have gathered and stored in your soul. The fact that the CDs were made of gold may represent how valuable that knowledge is. The medallions may also be illustrating that the knowledge in the form of golden CDs is a reward, in the same way someone who wins an Olympic event receives an gold medal. It seems that the dream also is showing how the spirits move you and apparently in your case this is a very good thing. One symbol that illustrates this are the stars that look like kites. Kites are moved by the wind. In the same way you are moved by the spirits and allowing yourself to be moved by the spirits is allowing you to ascend up the mountain illustrated in your dream. And at the top is New Jerusalem or Camelot. This ascension is also represented by the building. Typically buildings have elevators that allow you to ascend and descend up and down the building. Elevators are often used to represent rising up to heaven. You also see this concept in the image of you rising up the mountain trail. It's similar to biblical images like rising up a ladder. Mountains, to me, also represent strong foundations. On another note, from another point of view, it almost seems that there are two paths to ascension in your dream. I notice you seem to suggest that the tall building is "in your way". Perhaps the dream is suggesting you prefer a more natural means of ascension as represented by the mountain trail, as opposed to the "manmade" path to ascension as represented by the building. I'm not sure if you get me. Does that make sense to you.

[IrisRavenstar]

Hi Dreamcaster, Hi, Iris. Really awesome dream. Your dream seems to be spiritually inclined so I'm gonna add my own spiritually based insight. Yes, I think this is a spiritual dream as well. Typically I view houses as representing the vessel of the soul. I believe that in the same way our physical body is living body made up a multitude smaller bodies (cells); I believe that the spirit, which is part of our soul, is made up a multitude of other lesser spirits. The people in your dream represent those spirits. That's interesting, but not quite my view. I see our true selves as psyche, which is Greek for mind/soul/spirit... that is the real self, imo. But I also see myself as part of a spirit family which may be unrelated to my physical family, which may be more in line with what you are saying. My feeling here though was that the crowd of people represented my sense of sometimes feeling overwhelmed by the masses of humanity currently on this planet, and the fact it's growing so rapidly now. We're over seven billion! I dreamed more dreams of being shoved along by crowds last night, and woke up exhausted from it! It's not something that has cropped up often until these last few nights. Strange, really, as I live close to a town, but really in the country, so it's not that crowded right where I am. I'm just so aware that it is crowded, terribly so, on so much of the planet. And I don't like crowds, I get claustrophobic in them, tend to avoid them. I prefer people one on one most of the time. I'm a little wierd that way, maybe. But in a crowd I'm also a bit overwhelmed with psychic input coming from too many directions. Especially empathically. I believe we commune with spirits all the time. We commune with spirits like we breath air, but the number of spirits some one may commune may vary. Apparently the large number of people in your dream suggests that you're very blessed. Think of Abraham. Like Abraham you seem to be blessed with a house that is as numerous as the stars in the sky. Perhaps... I will keep puzzling over the idea! It seems that the spirits, as represented by the archetypes in your dream, are drawn to you. They gather around you. I believe the spiral represents this concept. Like water is drawn to drain in a sink or air is drawn into a fan; these spirits are drawn to you. Where they encounter my shields and filters... lol. I do limit who accesses me quite a bit, for my own sanity's sake, mostly to the Holy Spirit, angels, my own guides, and relatives, really. Or anyone the Holy Spirit wants me to communicate with. The fact that it was hard for you to read because there were so many people may show that are receiving a higher level of knowledge from these spirits but it is hard for you to process this info; much like a computer processes info. I believe that as we commune with spirits, holy or otherwise, we receive knowledge. The golden CDs that were like medallions may represent that knowledge you have gathered and stored in your soul. The fact that the CDs were made of gold may represent how valuable that knowledge is. The medallions may also be illustrating that the knowledge in the form of golden CDs is a reward, in the same way someone who wins an Olympic event receives an gold medal. Now that is interesting... the CD as knowledge... wow... goes with Gnosis as well, not just intellectual knowledge. I knew in the dream the CD was real gold, and the two medallions with it were real silver. I put them in a separate drawer from where I put the painted medallion, which I think was cast from something like resin or plaster of paris, and then painted. It was not valuable, just colorful. But the CD and the two silver medallions seemed to have more value, and went in a separate drawer. I am trying to remember what the drawers were like on the desk where I put them. I think it was like an old desk I had that I had painted in antiqued yellow, and it had a center drawer where you sit, and three stacked drawers on either side. I think I put the painted one in the center right hand drawer, but I'm not sure if I put the CD and silver medallions in the center drawer above the seat, or in the top left hand drawer. I can't quite see it. It seems that the dream also is showing how the spirits move you and apparently in your case this is a very good thing. One symbol that illustrates this are the stars that look like kites. Kites are moved by the wind. In the same way you are moved by the spirits and allowing yourself to be moved by the spirits is allowing you to ascend up the mountain illustrated in your dream. And at the top is New Jerusalem or Camelot. This ascension is also represented by the building. Typically buildings have elevators that allow you to ascend and descend up and down the building. Elevators are often used to represent rising up to heaven. You also see this concept in the image of you rising up the mountain trail. It's similar to biblical images like rising up a ladder. "Kite" also has meaning for me from another older dream. In that dream, I was with a man I was very comfortable with, but didn't recognize at the time, but now know as my spirit guide, Leslie. We were outside at night, laying on the ground next to each other, and I had the string of a kite in my hand, and was flying it. But the kite string went under my body, and across to him, and he had the actual reel in his hand, so while I was being allowed to control the kite, he was actually protecting it from getting away from me. I found in the dictionary that a kite can mean trying something on for size, like trying out a new idea. I have come to believe the "idea" I'm trying on is what would it be like if humans multiplied the way animals do, and the answer is this ever-over-populating planet. We are subject to possible extinction just as other animals have experienced. You see, I think Adam and Eve is the story of how two people were lured into this idea, and voila, we've gone from two that tango to seven billion and counting. The kite is a good thing, and there may be many kites going here at once, or just many people trying on the same kite... I dunno. But there were a lot of them in this dream, probably not all mine. But that seems to be a major life lesson of mine, the consequences of children begetting children, really. A crowd. Mountains, to me, also represent strong foundations. On another note, from another point of view, it almost seems that there are two paths to ascension in your dream. I notice you seem to suggest that the tall building is "in your way". Perhaps the dream is suggesting you prefer a more natural means of ascension as represented by the mountain trail, as opposed to the "manmade" path to ascension as represented by the building. I'm not sure if you get me. Does that make sense to you. Yes, I'd agree totally about the strong foundation of this mountain, as it was solid, and levelled perfectly at the top to support the City. The tall building was in the way of my continuing to examine the pattern in the sky, yes. It wasn't in the way of walking, as we passed it easily. I couldn't have chosen to go inside if I'd thought of it, as the crowd was moving rapidly. I was thinking before I went to bed last night about a gorgeous stone wall I saw once in Provinctown on Cape Cod in Massachusetts. It was the stone wall around a stonemason's property, and he had built this wall to advertise his work, I'm sure. It was made of local fieldstone, but then every few stones, there was a big chunk of a gemstone or geode, and it was gorgeous! This is kind of how the City looked, except it use red jasper instead of field stone. But I think in thinking about that, I took myself off to Provincetown (which is a reference to Providence, I believe) in part of my dream last night. I was in a town, again jammed with people, and going through this covered shopping area with tons of booths and casual little shops, near the beach. There really is such a place in Provincetown. At one point, I left the covered area, and started down a very crowded path to the beach, again being carried along by a crowd. The path was two-way, and had a low wall on either side and between the two sides. So that one side went down to the beach, the other came back up to the town. As I moved along with the crowd, a man was coming towards whom I knew in the dream. He and I stopped briefly, though it was difficult and we were jostled a lot, and we were kind of arguing about where I was going, and I guess he won the argument, because I was suddenly on his side (don't remember actually crossing the wall) and going with him back towards the town. That's all I remembered from what I know was a much longer dream, but the movement by the crowd seemed interesting, and the knowledge this is a place with a stonewall like the walls of the City, all full of beautiful gems. Which is part of the description of the New Jerusalame in Revelation... it has twelve gates, each of a differnt gemstone. Whew! Well, I will keep working on it. I feel that was an important dream. I liked the journey of it, especially the movement up and out of the crowd. On a lighter note, my dog Lily sent me a message as I was waking... I saw an image of her chewing on a rawhide bone, and a minute or two later, she started rustling to get out of her bed. The first thing she went for was a rawhide bone when she got out! She's so cute!

[IrisRavenstar]

I usually try to avoid lengthy Bible quotes, but as this is relevant to my dream, I thought it might be useful here! It is a beautiful passage, the happy ending to a terrifying book! I'm glad I'm not dreaming all the disasters and wars, but instead, the happy ending! Rev.21 [1] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. [2] And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; [3] and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; [4] he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away." [5] And he who sat upon the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." Also he said, "Write this, for these words are trustworthy and true." [6] And he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the fountain of the water of life without payment. [7] He who conquers shall have this heritage, and I will be his God and he shall be my son. [8] But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." [9] Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues, and spoke to me, saying, "Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb." [10] And in the Spirit he carried me away to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, [11] having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. [12] It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed; [13] on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. [14] And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. [15] And he who talked to me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city and its gates and walls. [16] The city lies foursquare, its length the same as its breadth; and he measured the city with his rod, twelve thousand stadia; its length and breadth and height are equal. [17] He also measured its wall, a hundred and forty-four cubits by a man's measure, that is, an angel's. [18] The wall was built of jasper, while the city was pure gold, clear as glass. [19] The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with every jewel; the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, [20] the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst. [21] And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each of the gates made of a single pearl, and the street of the city was pure gold, transparent as glass. [22] And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. [23] And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine upon it, for the glory of God is its light, and its lamp is the Lamb. [24] By its light shall the nations walk; and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory into it, [25] and its gates shall never be shut by day -- and there shall be no night there; [26] they shall bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. [27] But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Dreamcaster]

I never like using dream dictionaries to interpret dreams. Dreams are subjective. I think it's better to establish reoccurring themes and make connections. Of course it's harder to make those connections when interpreting other peoples dreams. I do see a loose connection between the association between kites and ideas in general, but I don't see the connection in your dream, but I guess you'd know better then me. I think the kite dream with Leslie kinda reinforces my earlier point about how you allow yourself to be moved by spirits. The kite is kind of like your soul hovering above you. In the same way you were moved by the crowd the kite was moved by the wind. the string might be like a lifeline connecting your body to that higher vessel hovering above you. It almost seems like a type of OBE (I.e out of body experience) from the context that I am interpreting the dream. You are still in control of that higher body and Leslie acts as a guardian angel making sure that your higher vessel doesn't get away from you. The kite in the form of celestial bodies as represented by stars in your first dream also illustrates the concept of how the kite represents a higher body. I'm really interested in this idea about spirit guides. How do you know if a character in your dreams is your spirit guide? I remember talking to someone who once talked about the same thing. Is the concept of the spirit guide part of a larger philosophy/faith/spirituality/etc.? Also is the term "love and light" part of a larger underlying philosophy? I remember speaking to another someone who used to end her text messages with the same expression. To me a desk represents a place where things come into order. Kinda like how the President of the United States has a desk in the Oval Office at the White House or how an everyday detective has a desk at a police station. To me a desk represent station where their life's purpose comes into order. Like in an office, it's represents where you do your life's work.

[IrisRavenstar]

Hi Dreamcaster, I don't use dream dictionaries either, that is a definition of "kite" from a standard Webster's English dictionary. Dreams are full of puns and wordplay. It's easier to make an image for a kite as a toy than it is to find an image that would portray a kite as a trial idea, you see? And, you know, if I've dreamed it that way before, then for ME, it is a recurring theme, which is why I said it has come up that way before. One other idea I had last night for "kite" is that the frame is a Christian cross, and the string goes from end to end, making the diamond shape, and paper goes over the string. It's interesting that the pattern with the kites in the sky was the same reddish color as the jasper too. A church I still visit occasionally has a huge rust red cross on the lawn in front of the church. I have to give that some thought. I'm curious... if you are not aware of spirit guides, then what do you mean about being drawn along by spirits? And why would my soul be hovering above me? Do you mean during an Out of Body Experience, because I don't perceive it that way. My soul is my consciousness, which is generally in my body, but which can leave during an OBE. We might be trying to say the same things in different terms, but I'm not sure. I believe that we all have angels and spirit guides who work with us. I also believe that most people are not aware of their angels and guides, or of just how active they can be in their lives. In 1986, my brother died very tragically of a cocaine overdose while out at sea on a fishing boat, and they were unable to get him to shore in time to save his life. He had just days before been declared to be in remission from bone cancer. He was only twenty five years old, and died the day after Thanksgiving. For me, this opened up a time of extremely vivid dreams, in which I began to be aware that I was not alone, that others were speaking to me in my dreams, and as I worked to understand the dreams and what was happening, I also began to open up to psychic gifts, or the Gifts of the Spirit as laid out in 1st Corinthians 12-14 in the Bible. My guides made sure I knew they were there! It was a strange and amazing time in my life, dragging me right into an awareness of a lot of things that was totally different than what I'd learned in church or anywhere else. My guide appeared in a lot of dreams, and was always identifiable as the same figure, and always seemed to have something to teach me. Eventually, I became able to hear him and converse with him awake as well. He is my personal guide, who has been with me my whole life, and will be there waiting for me when I die and cross over. I have other guides and angels as well, the most active being a specialist guide who works with nutrional and herbal healing for others as well as for me. Her name is JoAnne. I am basically a Gnostic Christian and am part Native American, and find Native American spirituality compatible, but that said, I am also taught by my dreams and by my inner guides and by Spirit (by which I mean the Holy Spirit as described in Christianity, or the Great Spirit for Native Americans). I am not taught so much anymore by anyone outside of me. "Love & Light" is often used simply as wishing someone love and light, and is a common sig for New Agers. But for me, it is also about the inner balance between our masculine and feminine sides, with Love symbolizing the emotional intuitive feminine, and Light symbolizing the rational intellectual masculine. We need both sides of ourselves working together, in harmony, and we all need to see that we ALL have both sides, and that gender as we know it here often restricts people to focusing on only one half of their own mind and self. We need to grow into being whole people. I have several desks in my house, and they store things, mostly. Writing materials in one, bill paying stuff in another. I don't work in an office, so probably don't see them the same way as you do. I seemed, in the dream, to have taken these things from near a computer in a common room, and put them in my own desk, as if for safekeeping. I don't see it as having anything to do with order really, so much as putting them in my own space and out of the shared space of the room that had a lot of computers. As I said, I sometimes feel overwhelmed by people, and like to retreat to my own alone space at times. Sometimes, that's good... sometimes, as in the new dream I added yesterday, I seem to get talked back into a more public place by someone going the other way. LOL... it's my Turtle nature, you see. Narragansetts are said to be turtle people. We like to retreat into our shells at times. And take our stuff with us!

[Dreamcaster]

It's possible I might have a spirit guide. It's hard to say. Perhaps I just never interpreted the images I see the way you do. That's why I'd like you to elaborate on the concept if possible. I don't think soul is consciousness, I think soul is a vessel for consciousness. I believe that we are made of a mind, body, and spirit and these three components come together in the vehicle of the soul. It's like mind, body, and spirit are the ingredients of the bread and the soul is the vessel you use to make the bread in. Add a little water and wine and your all set. Specifically, sprits exist all around us. To me we are all animated by the spirit, but not all of us always choose to listen to what the spirit tells us. I guess that is what sets you apart from my perspective. Me myself, I'm more like Jacob, I tend to fight the angel. The analogy I like to use is that we are dolls and the spirits are the children who animate that body as represented by the doll. Spirit is the intelligence that animate everything from a photon of light to the movement of the planets around the stars. It's as common as their air we breath flowing through us and moving us. Of course spirit is a terrible word to use because people tend to associate the word with the occult pagan and I don't want to use the word Holy Spirit because not all spirits are holy. Basically the word has this stigma attached to it. It think the concept of the genii best illustrates this concept. Genii is just another word for spirit. Typically genii are associated with granting wishes. I think many people misinterpret this idea though. The wishes genii grant are not supernatural in nature, but instead the concept of the genii is meant to illustrate an everyday occurrence that influences all of us. I think the story Aladdin, for example, merely uses exaggeration to place emphasis on this concept. I think this is lost on most people. Anytime you will something whether it be to move your type on our keyboard or read the text on your monitor you are making a wish. And it's the spirit or genii that makes that wish come true, but that wish can't exceed the limits of nature, but instead it has to work in harmony with it. So when my heart beats or I breath that's sort of an unconscious "wish" and the genii or spirit makes that wish happen by animating the forces around us. Technically, questionably, I'm a Roman Catholic although I'm starting to find that a lot of my beliefs don't seem to meet eye to eye with orthodox Roman Catholic beliefs so just call me unorthodox Roman Catholic.

[IrisRavenstar]

Hi Dreamcaster, I wonder if you have visited the other areas on these boards, especially the religious discussion area? It would be a more appropriate place to discuss these things, and you might find I've already posted at length on some of the things you're talking about, though our concepts appear to me to be quite different. You can also click on my screenname and pull up my profile, and it shows everything I've posted. I do try to limit typing the same things over and over again.

[Dreamcaster]

Yes, I've visited them. I'm just responding to some of your questions about my views of the spirit and your dream. I thought you wanted feedback. My bad.

[IrisRavenstar]

Yes, I've visited them. I'm just responding to some of your questions about my views of the spirit and your dream. I thought you wanted feedback. My bad. Well, yes, feedback about my dream that was already given was helpful. I didn't really wish to get into a debate about differing views of spirits, souls, etc., though, as if felt disruptive to the intent of this area, and as I thought we had both shared those already. By the way, I've read your posts in the religion and spirituality area. I must say you sound like a different person here than there, and I'm not sure if it's because your views have changed, or if you were attempting to bait me in some way. Here, you sound like a female, for example, and a bit unclear about your beliefs. There you sound more like a Fundamentalist with an interest in Kabbalah, and very firm in your beliefs. Since you seem to want to discuss your definitions of spirits and souls and the like, I had merely thought that would be a better arena for it. I did respond to one of your old posts on chakras, though I think it might be being moved to a new area from where it was, because it wasn't in the right place to start with. Again, thank you for your initial interpretation. It was helpful. Accepting an interpretation in total is not the important thing, is it? It is finding something in it that helps things to click into place for oneself, because, after all, the dreamer should *always* have the final say on the meaning of their own dreams. All best...

[IrisRavenstar]

The post on chakras was moved to "Beyond Dreaming."

[Liz]

Of course the house in your dream is symbolic of you/your soul/your psychy You are perhaps the little girl looking for safety/security/ deep love-symbolized by attempting to re-enter your mother’s womb. You are disturbed about many “somethings” occurring (too many people in the house not allowing you to concentrate?/ causing chaos?/distracting you from positive “things”. You go to a crowded room-perhaps this is symbolic of our society?/our planet? and you find something beautiful that has religious meaning. You take the beautiful religious teaching/idea and internalize it-symbolized by carrying it back to your personal room. Because you once found something meaningful at this place (computer room) you go there again and find more meaningful things. Perhaps these meaningful things are sources of education because they are symbolized by being on a computer cd...kind of like one you might purchase from an educational program. I don’t know what the #2 means here but you do and will think of it soon. It is something religious like perhaps the 2 natures of God (man and Divine)??? Then you go outside and it is crowded again....back to society? You discover beautiful things in the heavens....more religious knowledge? The back of most kites have a cross shape on them so this is possibly symbolic of Jesus. You are unable to study these religious things because there is too much distraction. You go on or want to go on a journey which will or currently does lead to a beautiful, peaceful place..heaven....or the New Jerusalem. ----------------- Iris, It sounds like you have been trying to enjoy/study some religious material and are getting distracted and possibly frustrated by “something(s)”. Liz

[IrisRavenstar]

Hi Liz, While I agree that houses in dreams are OFTEN symbolic of me, my soul, or my psyche, that is not always the case. I think here it was more like Mother Earth's house, too crowded. The point was that it *wasn't* my house! I was not at home there. I think re-entering my mother's womb, or reincarnation, is what I'm trying to avoid. I want to graduate off the earth plane, go to a higher realm. Yes, the reason I want to graduate off the earth plane is I'm tired of the chaos and of too many people... not just quantity... but the state of the people as well, the mob mentality maybe given the crowding I felt, and the being pushed along by them. Sometimes, I just get fed up with it all. Yes, I like what you say about internalizing the knowledge from the gold computer disk being symbolized by taking it back to my own space, that makes sense to me for sure. I'd still like to understand the medallions, why one was of lesser value, painted over plaster or resin, and the other two were of sterling silver, the same shape (kind of oval, I think), though I think the patterns on them differed, but were complementary. They were *with* the gold CD. I wish I could remember the actual pictures on the medallions. They are the one part of the dream I still don't really understand. Perhaps the two... the silver medallions... are reflections of the gold CD... maybe the masculine and feminine sides of self that are created in God's image? That makes sense to me. It reminds me of another long ago dream of a large candle with two wicks, that had two smaller candles at either side. God/dess in the center, and the masculine and feminine complementing each other on either side. I like that! Yes, I thought of the cross pieces on the kites as a possible reference to Jesus as well, though then, why so many? Or could it be a reference to Christians? I wish I could have studied that pattern in the sky longer, and seen more of what surrounded the kite shapes! Life seems distracting at times. I think it's hard to focus on things for me a lot of the time, just because things I don't want to bother with keep demanding my attention, even living alone and working at home. They still fill my head, and I'd just like to get away from it all at times. I miss my hiking for one thing, and can't do it with fibromyalgia, unless I pay for one hike with a couple weeks of extreme pain, and I can't take N-Saids, so have limited ways to deal with it. It's frustrating! But I loved being off on the trails away from "civilization." I need that, I think, and that's why I was enjoying the hike up the mountain, and the thinning of the crowds. Thank you, Liz, I appreciate this!