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      1st WILD Success

      9/30/05 /// 09:10 - 09:40 am

      Technique: Modifiied WILD based on Taoist "Quiet SItting" (QSILD).

      Step 1: Lie comfortably on bed (on one side if prone to apnea), and completely relax.

      Step 2: COMPLETELY eliminate all conscious thought (Conscious, or left-hemisphere thought, is a representation of any aural sensory output common in daily life, like: Speech; "talking to yourself", Hearing; "songs that you can't get out of your head" or any random ruminations or fragments of sentences thereof. You'll find that you are still "consciously alert", but "thinking" holistically now... you no longer have "thoughts", but are perceptually aware of whole concepts, easily identifiable in their entirety (more like 'feelings", or "knowing"). This isn't easy, but a practiced adept can attain the next step much more easily with it.

      Step 3: Allow hypnagogics to guide you into a semi-conscious state similar to "dozing off". Build up on this state's HI elements to begin "weaving a dream to step into".

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      DREAM:
      I entered a non-lucid dreamscape comprised of a simple rowboat. I was in the rowboat in a local inlet I've often boated in. I wanted to go in the water, and did, with the aid of a fishing rod, whose line eyelets I used as a sort of grapple to keep me near the boat. This became unneccessary after a bit, as I wanted to float further out. I was on some sort of floatation device, similar to an inflatable seat, and lolled in the water serenely. At one point, while some distance from the boat, I noticed myself losing buoyancy, and slowly sinking. It did not disturb me at all, since I knew I could swim, and began doing so as I turned back to the boat. It was when my head was at the usual height above water for a swimmer, that I realized that the water was an intense shade of green (I'd noticed before, but now it was beginning to stick out in my mind. I was just about to make the connection, and began whatever process it is that induces lucidity... a hare's breath from the realization that I WAS LUCID, when the thought of it roused me awake. When barely awake, my lower body was still quite "buoyant", and I used it to try to re-enter the dream without success... marvelous feeling though, to be awake and still feeling that!

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      I think I've stumbled on to two major advancements. First, that I can tailor the WILD technique to better suit my personal style, and secondly, that some dreams can be heavily ensconsed with metaphor.

      The boat was in a setting familiar to me, alleviating fear. The fishing rod served as both a tether to that comfort, and a metaphor for "fishing" for answers. The water itself represented Lucid Dreaming, and my "sinking" into it, my desire to LD. The water's surface represented the line of demarcation from wakefulness to dreaming (lucidly or otherwise).

      I believe I've also discovered something else. WILD works best when tired. WBTB early morning naps are based on the same theory. If shortened sleep means faster entry into REM, perhaps it IS best to only attempt this while tired, so as to re-inforce the experience as positive to the subconscious mind, "going out on a high note", as it were.

      Trying to reproduce this about an hour later only resulted in a vivid, non-lucid dream, but with similar effects (non-lucidity probably due to the "delayed" REM entry). When coming out of that dream, the last dreamscene was my ankles locked together while somehow wedged on some stairs. I awoke with my legs crossed, and ankles in that same position (which I fell asleep in , so SP obviously occurred).

      I think that just as I "shaved off" the beginning of the semi-lucid dream, I dd the same with the end of the following, non-lucid one... essentially bracketing what should be an entirely unconscious (dreaming) state with invading consciousness!
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      Hey Legend - great job!

      However, unfortunately for me, the second step you describe: COMPLETELY eliminate all conscious thought (Conscious, or left-hemisphere thought, is a representation of... is somewhat counterproductive in my experience.

      I have been doing this for over a month now since I've read a book about brainwaives and how to control them to achieve meditation. Essentially, this "clear mind" is meditation - which is fine. BUT, I've noticed that I now fall asleep much quicker than I used to before doing this technique. So, at least it's good for people who have trouble falling a sleep.

      Your third step which involves hypnagogics is either omitted or I simply forget all about it when I later awake.

      Is there possibly some step between 2 and 3 (maybe "2-b") which will somehow keep your mind from slipping into sleep before your awareness fades out?

      I have achieved WILD once before, and I agree, you must be in a very sleepy state of consciousness.

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      Is there possibly some step between 2 and 3 (maybe \"2-b\") which will somehow keep your mind from slipping into sleep before your awareness fades out? [/b]
      There sure is, Tornado Joe! (and thanks, btw) `

      Ancient Taoist practitioners of "Quiet Sitting" long ago discovered that right-hemispherical holistic thought is TRUE thought (without all the mish-mash analytical tyranny of the left brain's plodding thought processes).

      The secret is to EMBRACE that "holistic" thought mode, and "think" with it. I know that sounds odd, but if you've ever really gotten involved in staring at a painting or "zoned out" to your favorite song, you're already familiar with the process. (You don't "think" about whether a note is C sharp or F flat - you just get into the tune, dude!

      Try it right now... instead of piecing together the words in your head that say something like "G-e-e, / h-e /m-a-y /b-e /r-i-g-h-t !", just "know" what its like when your brain makes that assumption in one, fell, swoop!

      Hope that helps,
      Legend

      P.S. Another analogy is touring in a foreign country where you don't know the language... You don't think the words "Ich habe hunger" or "Je famme" in your mind... you just "know" that you're hungry!
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      Hello,

      This seems much more like MILD than WILDs.

      Deja

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      hypnogogic question

      Hi Legend,

      Great journal entry! Thank you for posting it.

      I've been working towards a similar goal, I think (Buddhist Tantra and Phowa), and I was wondering if you could describe the imagery you see as you get closer to the dream state. Do you focus on it or just watch it passively?

      From what I understand in Buddhist Tantra, as you fall asleep, your mind moves from the gross level of consciousness, to a more subtle mind, to a very subtle mind (called the clear light mind), and then back to a subtle mind, and then a gross mind, however, these minds are now in the dream world. There is a point just before moving to the very subtle mind called the ‘swoon’ in which I usually loose control and drift into a dream world unaware of the previous world I was in. Do you have any experience with this point?

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      I was wondering if you could describe the imagery you see as you get closer to the dream state. Do you focus on it or just watch it passively?[/b]
      I just watch it passively, sort of a dedicated \"peripheral vision\", to avoid eye muscle movement which usually annihilates them.

      There is a point just before moving to the very subtle mind called the ‘swoon’ in which I usually loose control and drift into a dream world unaware of the previous world I was in. Do you have any experience with this point?[/b]
      Yes, and in my opinion, it's unavoidable, and beyond (at least my own) control. I'm of the opinion that one doesn't "transit" into the dream world with their full, normal, consciousness however much it may appear so to the experiencer (but, hey, what do I know?).

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