Thread: Shared Dreams: See you on the Moon!

He mentions things off of the forum in our dreams. He said Nomad's tutorial sucks and he mentioned that I had told him to meet me on the moon. Of course I had been hoping we could communicate and work together... but apparently this guy is only interested in being disgusting!

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

Another question! Haha. How are you so sure "Gimpy/Tooth" is a DV member?

Originally Posted by Raven Knight

He mentions things off of the forum in our dreams. He said Nomad's tutorial sucks and he mentioned that I had told him to meet me on the moon. Of course I had been hoping we could communicate and work together... but apparently this guy is only interested in being disgusting!

Well, I'm sure you've tried this already, but couldn't the two of you try to "dream scry" him, like what Nomad tried to do with Selene? Also, is he aggressive at all to you, or is he just an annoying little pee-on that pisses you guys off?

No. Never tried that. When I did that I couldn't see anything where I ended up, but Nomad seemed to... maybe we should try it... And as for hostilities, I do not believe he could hurt us. He has attacked. What he does do is interfere with our usual dreams. He pulls us from one area of a dream into a fight with him. This seems to be a bit worse than a slight annoyance. I wish he would either make contact or just go away! Instead he hides in the shadows like the chicken-wuss he is. If you're reading this, Tooth / Gimpy, you have a new nickname in my book: Chicken-Wuss.

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

Well, I'm sure you've tried this already, but couldn't the two of you try to "dream scry" him, like what Nomad tried to do with Selene? Also, is he aggressive at all to you, or is he just an annoying little pee-on that pisses you guys off?

It only seems logical that if Nomad could do it with other people he should be able to do it with him. And, not to sound skeptical, but how do you know he isn't just a dream character? Sure, he mentions things from DV, but couldn't that just be a collection of knowledge from both of your subconsciousnesses?

I would find that harder to believe than Chicken-Wuss being a real being. Several people all inventing the same exact thing without actually communicating about it... I guess anything is possible, but it seems more real than that... I've never heard of two or more dreamers sharing the same DC.

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

And, not to sound skeptical, but how do you know he isn't just a dream character? Sure, he mentions things from DV, but couldn't that just be a collection of knowledge from both of your subconsciousnesses?

Originally Posted by Raven Knight

I would find that harder to believe than Chicken-Wuss being a real being. Several people all inventing the same exact thing without actually communicating about it... I guess anything is possible, but it seems more real than that... I've never heard of two or more dreamers sharing the same DC.

Well, neither have I, but I've never heard of two dreamers melding consciousnesses, either. You experience everything else in real-time together, so maybe both of your memories and life experiences came together to form someone(thing) you'd both hate.

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

Well, I'm sure you've tried this already, but couldn't the two of you try to "dream scry" him, like what Nomad tried to do with Selene? Also, is he aggressive at all to you, or is he just an annoying little pee-on that pisses you guys off?

I am not exactly sure what you mean by dream scry. You mean tell Chicken-wuss that he is dreaming? I think he already knows that!

I already knew that Selene is definitely a spirit, but I was testing out a theory I had that maybe she was a non-lucid dreamer.

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

It only seems logical that if Nomad could do it with other people he should be able to do it with him. And, not to sound skeptical, but how do you know he isn't just a dream character? Sure, he mentions things from DV, but couldn't that just be a collection of knowledge from both of your subconsciousnesses?

You can be skeptical all you want. Skepticism neither offends nor bothers me. I have always been skeptical of shared dreaming until I did it.

How do we know he isn't a DC? Well, DC's disappear when you ignore them. They don't chase you relentlessly in their dreams, telling you that they are real, and talking like a lil DBZ fanboy biatch.

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

Well, neither have I, but I've never heard of two dreamers melding consciousnesses, either. You experience everything else in real-time together, so maybe both of your memories and life experiences came together to form someone(thing) you'd both hate.

You are coming from the paradigm that all dreaming is from the subconscious, therefore, Raven Knight and I must be melding our consciousnesses. I think I can speak for the both of us saying that the dream world is a real place that mixes with our minds.

Here's an example from waking life: You want to go to the store. You leave your house and drive to the store. Now, your reality has been altered, because you are in a different place, but it all started with a thought. Your reality is being affected by all the other people in the store, the people that built the store, the people that shipped the products to the store, et cetera, and their thoughts.

We actually don't experience everything in real time. In fact, I think some of our shared dreams are not simultaneous, but do occur on the same night. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant to me, because I do not believe time is linear anyway. I believe, like space, it goes in and out in all directions simultaneously.

It's an interesting theory, the creation of a DC together with another dreamer. I don't believe Chicken-Wuss is a DC, for the reasons I stated above.

I think if we were to create a DC together, it would have to be pretty intentional. I am pretty sure that would take a lot of effort.

We did create The Tower together in a sense. It was something we both wanted, but it was actually Q that built it for us.

I don't think either of us hate him. I respect him in the sense that he taught me, and battling him was so fun, so I am grateful for that. I do find him annoying and disgusting. Kind of like a young kid that follows you around and wipes boogers on you because he thinks it's funny.

This is true. I do not hold any hatred towards him, either. No anger. Maybe a little irritation. But if he would stop being irritating I could let that go immediatelhy. I feel having hatred towards anyone is like a poison - it will cause more harm in the end to the person doing the hating than to the person being hated. If anything I find the dreams with Chicken-Wuss in them somewhat amusing. It adds an unexpected twist to some ordinary dreams!

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I don't think either of us hate him. I respect him in the sense that he taught me, and battling him was so fun, so I am grateful for that. I do find him annoying and disgusting. Kind of like a young kid that follows you around and wipes boogers on you because he thinks it's funny.

Originally Posted by Raven Knight

This is true. I do not hold any hatred towards him, either. No anger. Maybe a little irritation. But if he would stop being irritating I could let that go immediatelhy. I feel having hatred towards anyone is like a poison - it will cause more harm in the end to the person doing the hating than to the person being hated. If anything I find the dreams with Chicken-Wuss in them somewhat amusing. It adds an unexpected twist to some ordinary dreams!

I don't believe you said ordinary!

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I don't believe you said ordinary!

Let me clarify; you said you could see the woman that Selene had occupied the body of. Couldn't you do the same thing to "Chicken-Wuss"?

EDIT: In case you two hadn't already guessed, you totally have permission to dream with me!

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

Let me clarify; you said you could see the woman that Selene had occupied the body of. Couldn't you do the same thing to "Chicken-Wuss"?

EDIT: In case you two hadn't already guessed, you totally have permission to dream with me!

Go to the sleeping body of Chicken-Wuss? Why would we do that? To prove to ourselves he is a real person when we already know he is?

Cool. You have access to The Tower on the Moon, Royalpeach.

I'm saying you might want to do that to see if he has a profile picture on DV. Though not many people do, it's a possibility.

Woot! When I finally get there, mind if I throw together a space shuttle? XD

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

I'm saying you might want to do that to see if he has a profile picture on DV. Though not many people do, it's a possibility.

Woot! When I finally get there, mind if I throw together a space shuttle? XD

Oh, to find out who he is. Ok, so let's say we find out what he looks like. Then what? Go through the thousands of users on DV trying to match up his profile picture?
Seeing someone's face while they sleep is not easy. The room is usually dark. It's easier to sense their energy than to see their face. And when I wake up, I might not remember what they look like. Have you ever met someone, and forgot their name 20 seconds later?

I am not concerned with trying to find out who Chicken-Wuss is because I don't really see a point. What would be the point? To out him as a "Nightstalker"? He would deny it, of course, and most people on DV don't believe in the existence of NS, and some don't believe in shared dreaming even though Raven Knight and I have done it repeatedly. I am not interested in convincing the skeptics or disbelievers, only to help others do the same, because it's so much fun, and we all know, fun rules!

Make anything you want!

As long as you think it's a badass idea, it will be easy to do, since it will be easy to visualize. Visualizing badassness is a lot easier than visualizing something boring.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

As long as you think it's a badass idea, it will be easy to do, since it will be easy to visualize. Visualizing badassness is a lot easier than visualizing something boring.

Which leads me to another question! If one of you does something the other doesn't see at the moment, can you still see it? Say Raven graffiti'd the Statue of Liberty. If you went there afterwards, would you see it too?

Originally Posted by Royalpeach

Which leads me to another question! If one of you does something the other doesn't see at the moment, can you still see it? Say Raven graffiti'd the Statue of Liberty. If you went there afterwards, would you see it too?

Good question. Well, I have created a living house in dreams which ended up being at the bottom of the Tower, so to answer your question, yes. But, as far as drawing on the Statue of Liberty... man that's funny.

I don't even know if she would see if it she went back again. Someone might have painted over it.

I think things like buildings and trees are more likely to be permanent.

Hah I can picture the side of the statue of liberty saying "RAVEN WUZ HERE" now

So, to reiterate, you could build a space ship and put it in the hangar, and Raven would see it even if you two weren't sharing a dream?

WakingNomad, it's the most amazing topic I've ever read. No kidding
I myself try to share dream with others, but, unfortunately, without any success. It could be because my partners weren't lucid at that time or I use a wrong technique. Besides I've never tried to share dream on the Moon... May be that is the right place!

Do all of your shared dreams happen on the Moon? Have you tried other places with the same success?

A couple people from my Russian Lucid Dream Forum have been trying to share dream for a long time. And no luck! They get lucid, look for each other behind doors, find, talk. But later they discover that both of them saw different dreams. Nothing was shared. Do you guys know what the problem is? May be Raven Knight as the most experienced among us can give a clue?

Is there a way i can choose my abilities? I remember the old unreal tournament game where you had an arm translocator that would shoot disks and transport you to where the disks were. That would come in handy for me. Similar to jumper the movie.

Originally Posted by DreamIsLife

A couple people from my Russian Lucid Dream Forum have been trying to share dream for a long time. And no luck! They get lucid, look for each other behind doors, find, talk. But later they discover that both of them saw different dreams. Nothing was shared. Do you guys know what the problem is?

The problem might be that both dreams aren't supposed to be exactly the same. Each dreamer experiences their own individual dream, it's not just one dream where they meet.

But the differences between each dream are always related in an archtypical manner.


WakingNomad, could you include links to RavenKnights DJ so it will be easier too find the corresponding dream her her DJ? I've having trouble synching up your dreams.

Originally Posted by DreamIsLife

WakingNomad, it's the most amazing topic I've ever read. No kidding
I myself try to share dream with others, but, unfortunately, without any success. It could be because my partners weren't lucid at that time or I use a wrong technique. Besides I've never tried to share dream on the Moon... May be that is the right place!

Do all of your shared dreams happen on the Moon? Have you tried other places with the same success?

A couple people from my Russian Lucid Dream Forum have been trying to share dream for a long time. And no luck! They get lucid, look for each other behind doors, find, talk. But later they discover that both of them saw different dreams. Nothing was shared. Do you guys know what the problem is? May be Raven Knight as the most experienced among us can give a clue?

Could it be that they shared the same dream and they just saw things differently while they were there? Nomad's and my shared dreams don't always match perfectly. That has to do with the way our individual minds intepret different things. Usually my mind tries to resolve what I see into something familiar. Somehow I doubt I am really seeing Altaïr in my dreams... Also, I see the nightstalker I call Chicken-Wuss as a zombie from Resident Evil while Nomad sees something entirely different, although just as disgusting!

Nomad and I shared our first dream by focusing on a specific place. Have your friends tried that? Instead of becoming lucid and then looking for each other? Or for one of them to try to summon the other... Just a couple of thoughts. I wouldn't call myself any kind of expert, it seems to come easily to me... at least it does now. When I was first doing it with my ex it was hard to get us together! If they are persistent I bet they can do it!

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

Is there a way i can choose my abilities? I remember the old unreal tournament game where you had an arm translocator that would shoot disks and transport you to where the disks were. That would come in handy for me. Similar to jumper the movie.

In my experience if you can visualize it clearly then you can do it. If you can clearly visualize this arm translocator (I never saw Jumper ) then you can create it in your dream. The next time you're lucid try it!

The Cusp, of course there have to be some differences, but something in common has to be too, right? And in the dreams of WakingNomad and Raven Knight we all can see them. But in my case there is almost nothing at all.

The only thing we all can do there (on my forum) is to see in a dream the right appearance of the person we've never ever seen (even on the photograph). In our LDs we find each other, remember the appearance (age, height, hair color, eyes color, etc), then wake up and compare. In most cases the found DCs look like those persons that we intended to find. So, we find the correct persons and they don't remember it!
Probably, the reason for this lays in weak lucidity. When one is lucid, another is not lucid. It's hard to get lucid at the same time. But anyways, we remember not lucid dreams too. Why are those "supposed to be shared" dreams not remembered? This situation is kind of strange and disappointing.