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      Dream Recall Compendium

      The Dream Recall Compendium

      Welcome to the dream recall compendium, where I will collect every and all methods and tricks to improve recall I ever heard of. Since this is a big wall of text already let's start without much ado.

      This will be split in 4 categories:
      Mental Setup: Setting up your mind in the right way to improve dream recall
      Supportive Techniques: To further aid you
      Sleep/Dreams: Everything about sleep and dreams with relation to recall
      Other: Everything else that should be mentioned.

      But first I will put up 2 simple lists for dream recall states; I will use this for specific recommendations later in this compendium. There will be quantity and quality.

      Quantity:
      • Rock Bottom: Generally less than 1 dream per night. Rock bottom is where no one wants to be.
      • Average: At least 1 dream per day, up to 4. You are where most people are, you don't recall a lot of dreams, but at least 1 per day.
      • Above Average: At least 2 dreams per night, up to 8. When you have this level of recall it might be possible for you to remember details of your dreams even hours or a few days later without writing them down already.
      • Skilled: At least 4 dreams a night, up to 15. Here you are likely able to get into the feeling of the dream even days later, and remembering the actual dream will be possible several months later without any significant drop in detail.
      • Advanced: At least 6 dreams per night, up to 20. You have a recall most people dream of; you will probably be able to remember dreams for the rest of your life when you have your DJ at hand to take a look at your dreams. Getting into the actual feeling of a dream might be possible months later.
      • Master: At least 8 dreams per night, you might remember each and every dream you had on some nights. At this point there is barely anything to improve left. If you are here you should only care about staying here.


      Note: The quantity affects the detail of dream recall in real life, long times after the dream, more than the actual quality of dream recall. That is the reason I put these properties under quantity and not quality.

      Quality:
      • Rock Bottom: Most dreams you recall are only impressions or maybe small fragments. Again this is very undesirable.
      • Average: You recall a lot of fragments but you also have a decent amount of dreams with more detail or even an actual plot.
      • Above Average: You barely recall any fragments anymore, you are able to recall nearly all dreams in decent detail. Sometimes you remember a really long and/or vivid dream.
      • Skilled: You don't remember any fragments, you can remember a decent amount of details for each and every dream you have. Long and vivid dreams are quite common.
      • Advanced: Most of your dreams are long and vivid, some of these dreams might even have more detail than your real life.
      • Master: You recall everything, for each dream you know how and when it started, what happened and when it ended. To get to this point is even a lot harder than to master the quantity. This is where a mortal god of dreaming stands.


      1: Mental Setup
      • 1.1: Mindset
      • 1.2: Real Life Recall
      • 1.3: Detrimental Things
      • 1.4: Mantras
      • 1.5: Mnemonics


      2: Supportive Techniques:
      • 2.1: Dream Journal
      • 2.2: Tag-book
      • 2.3: Diary
      • 2.4: Dream Cartography


      3: Sleep/Dreams
      • 3.1: Sleep (Place, Circumstances, Alarm, Temperature, Light)
      • 3.2: Staying in the bed after waking up
      • 3.3: Recall from within dreams
      • 3.4: Recurring Themes


      4: Other
      • 4.1: Individual Differences
      • 4.2: Supplements
      • 4.3: Unknown Factors
      • 4.4: Recall after longer time



      1: Mental Setup
      Of course the mental setup is one of the most important parts of recall, just like for dreaming in general. Having the correct setup isn't everything, but it already is a lot and always a good start.

      1.1: Mindset
      The first step to a good recall is being optimistic about your recall, though it might sound trivial and irrelevant to some people at first, it definitely isn't. A generally optimistic mindset about dreaming is something which every experienced dreamer can recommend, it helps improve recall just like a pessimistic mindset will likely decrease it.

      1.2: Real Life Recall
      The connection between memory in real life and your memory in dreams often isn't as strong as one might assume. It is very well possible to have a really good memory in real life and a bad one for dreams, or vice versa. I for example have a somewhat below average real life memory. Yet my recall about dreams is probably very far above what's considered average, I can recall dreams in detail days or months later and on a good night I wake up with nearly 20 dreams.
      But there still is a connection and it can be used, as long as you already have enough dream recall to beginn with, improving your real life memory is unlikely to have a huge impact, but 1 or 2 more dreams or a few more details are often of high value, trying it can't hurt. But I won't delve deeper into this topic, everything after this line would be methods to improve your real life memory, and they don't belong in here, especially since there are plenty.

      1.3: Detrimental things
      And of course there is also a number of things which are bad for recall, nearly all of them will be mentioned throughout the threadthough, so I will only put one thing here.
      Drugs: Generally drugs are bad for dreaming, very bad. Exceptions may be possible but unlikely, so don't consider starting with drugs for the sake of lucid dreaming as it probably won't help. If you already take drugs I'll just advise you to stop taking them for a while to see if your recall drops or goes up.
      Excluded from this are nootropics of course, they will be mentioned later under 4.2.

      1.4: Mantras
      Mantras are very useful for dreaming in general, and as well can be used specific for dream recall. For those who don't know mantras, basically you repeat a few words or a sentence several times in your head, most likely before sleeping, or while falling asleep. Example mantras for dream recall:
      "I remember my dreams"
      "I wake up after each dream and remember it"
      "I remember my dreams in the morning"
      "I don't forget any dreams"
      "I have good dream recall"
      These are only a few examples (took some examples out of the forum). How to use mantras and which to use is something which needs to be learned for each individual in my opinion. I've seen recommendations to use mantras only in the present tense, and it often also helps to connect a specific type of mantra with a specific color. You should try some to see how they work best for you.

      1.5: Memory Type
      Last but not least in this category is something I call memory type. It isn't exactly easy to change or train an additional memory type but it is already worth a lot knowing how your memory works, this is something you have to find out for yourself. If you know how your memory works you can more easily determine which techniques are best for you. I will give an example of myself.
      I have a very connective type of memory, I might easily completely forget something sometimes which is a bother, but most of my memories are strongly inertwined, remembering one small detail about something often leads to the whole memory rushing into my mind. I use that for my dream recall with my tag-book method, I write down tags each night for each dream when I wake up and then I get back to sleep. When I get up I just have to look at the tags and all the dreams come back to me in full detail. There will be more about this method in 2.2.


      2: Supportive Techniques
      The next step for good recall is using one or a few supportive techniques.

      2.1: Dream Journal
      Often hailed as the first step in effective and good dreaming the Dream Journal is indeed the most important supportive technique. The advantages should be obvious, a Dream Journal helps in learning to remember dreams, it improves the amount of recalled dreams as well as the vividness. A Dream Journal can be shared with fellow dreamers and can be fun to read in after a few months or years to track your own progress.
      Unlike the common opinion I will not recommend you to jot down everything always. The effective use of a DJ involves more than just writing down everything you remember, it depends a lot on your current state of recall.
      Generally when you are on Rock Bottom or Average in both quantity and quality you should write down everything you have.
      Once you get past that in one of the 2 categories you might consider handling your DJ different. Generally as much detail as possible is still the best course, but that might eat a lot of time, maybe even time you should rather spend on different techniques.
      When you get a high level in quantity like advanced or master you might consider voluntarily skipping some dreams to improve the quality of your dreams. Skipping undetailed, uninteresting or undesired dreams decreases the chance of them occurring again.
      When you get a high level of quality without a high level of quantity I recommend you to still write down as much detail as possible. Only skip details if you simply lack the time, or like mentioned above, they are uninteresting or undesired details.

      And if you donít have a lot of time in the morning in the first place, recording the dreams per voice is a good way of avoiding long writing sessions. You still should write down something when you find the time.

      2.2: Tag-book
      This is my own name and technique for something which is practiced by a lot of dreamers already. The idea is to have something to write besides your bed so you can jot down a few tags for each dream every time you wake up, so you have a rough line to remember your dreams by.
      I recommend this to everyone in every state of recall. It doesnít take any much effort and itís very effective.
      For a more detailed guide look here: StaySharps dream recall guide (Tag-book method)

      2.3: Diary
      Keeping a diary over the day also might help a lot with dream recall, small tip from my side, when you have a smartphone just try using an app for this. I started one myself and still have to see how it goes. For more Information take a look at this popular thread: If you can't remember your dreams, TRY THIS!

      2.4: Dream Cartography
      Making a dream map is somewhat like making a DJ, only that here you put the focus on the location, not the plot. The idea behind this is to connect and maybe to create a vivid dream scape with different locations, this helps in finding common themes, creating a better sense for location within dreams and thus in the end improving recall as well. Here is a thread with a rough guideline to make a dream map: A Practical Introduction to Dream Cartography


      3: Sleep/Dreams
      There are a lot of things we can do for recall, even right before sleeping, or even better while we are sleeping.

      3.1: Sleep (Place, Circumstances, Alarm, Temperature)
      I get the feeling this is often an underestimated point in terms of recall and dream quality. But having a good sleep and paying attention to a few important things is very important when working for a good recall. Most of these things however may heavily vary between different persons, so you will have to find out some things about yourself if you want to effectively use this.

      Place: Where you sleep, and what kind of bed you have is an important point, though often not as important as the other points. You should have a bed where you sleep comfortably. Often however a too comfortable bed wonít help recall beginners as much as one might think it will. Unless you already have a really good recall I recommend you to have a comfortable bed, but it shouldnít be so comfortable you donít want to ever leave. Sleeping in different places away from home might also have a big effect on your recall. This is however something you have to experiment with, some places might improve your recall and some others might decrease it, youíll have to find that out for yourself.

      Circumstances: Not just the location is important, even more important are the circumstances while you sleep. Is your room bright or dark (something more on this on the dedicated light section below), do you have monophasic or polyphasic sleep, do you have music on while sleeping, are there a lot of background noisesÖ These are all factors with big impact. Polyphasic sleep for example is very likely to improve your recall quality as it takes out a certain amount of non-REM sleep, while it might sacrifice the general amount of recalled dreams. Background noises can be detrimental to your sleep and your recall as well, however you might be able to use them to your advantage sometimes, like doing a reality check when you hear something specific. Music, binaural beats or isochronic tones might help your dream behavior as well, again you will have to try out what circumstance brings which effect with it.

      Alarm: If you get yourself woken up by an alarm, be advised that any alarm which startles you will most likely kill of all chances of recall in less than 1 second. Setting up an alarm which wakes you up pleasantly is very important for a good recall, preferably use an alarm which starts silent and gets louder each second. That way you will wake up without losing your chances to recall dreams.

      Temperature: This is a heavily underestimated aspect. I once tried to conduct a study on Dreamviews but no one ever cared to participate, probably due to the amount of detail I put into it. But I at least got my personal results. Without putting in too much detail here I simply advise you to pay attention to how your room temperature affects your recall. In my case a room which is too hot for example is able to decrease my recall by more than a heavy 50%, which is a huge impact. A room which is too coldis unlikely to impact me as much, but the cold can make me more lazy which may take out something like 20% of my recall. This isnít the same for everyone of course, some might even prefer heat, but I canít emphasize enough how important it is to sleep in a room with the correct temperature. Finding your temperature and taking action to be able to sleep with that temperature might give you a significant boost.

      Light: Light levels indeed have a very significant impact on dream recall and also dreams in general. Low light levels lead to production of melatonin, which causes deep non-REM sleep. I still donít know everything about the effect of light levels on recall but sleeping in a really dark room or even using an eye mask can impale recall a lot, judging by my own observations by even up to 80%! My theory is that recall works a lot better in relatively bright environment due to more REM-sleep and occasional wake-ups which can be used to jot down tags. If you have bad recall you should definitely check which light levels are present while you sleep, and if you constantly sleep in the dark you should definitely try sleeping while itís bright to see if you have better recall.
      If you have a normal monophasic sleep schedule you might consider falling asleep while itís dark, and letting the rising sun brighten up your room later. That way you will have lots of non-REM sleep in the first part of the night, which causes a beneficial rise in REM sleep in the second part of the now bright ďnightĒ.
      If you have a polyphasic sleep schedule you might rather consider always sleeping in a bright room, this will ensure itís easier to get up after sleeping, as well as improve your overall chances of recall.
      As with every advice here, take it with a grain of salt. So far this only what I observed myself, but unknowingly I made the necessary experiments over several months until I randomly stumbled across the connections of my recall spikes and lows with the light in my room, so I do have some confidence in what Iím claiming to be the truth and not a placebo here. Make some experiments with light levels and Iím sure youíll be able to improve your recall at least a bit.

      3.2: Staying in the bed after waking up
      One simple yet effective way to increase your recall is to stay in the bed a few minutes after waking up and thinking about your dreams, try to recall the details and what happened, and get up when you have the feeling you remembered as much as possible. Don't risk falling asleep again though, unless you plan to continue sleeping. Falling back into sleep may most likely reduce what you can recall later unless you reached a certain recall skill already.

      3.3: Recall from within dreams
      Another simple yet effective way to increase your chances at recall is to give recall some priority within your lucid dreams. Tell yourself in lucid dreams you want to remember your dreams, set up mnemonics, use your personal way to make sure you remember the dream in as much detail as possible.

      3.4: Recurring Themes
      Recurring themes or dream signs arenít just good for getting lucid; they are also useful to have something to remember dreams by. Making use of this is basically the same as learning to use them for lucid dreaming, you only have to be able to recognize them, after that recurring themes increase the likeliness of a dream being recalled.


      4: Other
      The section for everything else which might help recall, as well as a few simple reminders.

      4.1: Individual Differences
      This is just a small reminder to keep the individual differences in mind, some techniques might work better for you than for others, as I stated quite often in this thread it is important to understand certain parts of yourself.

      4.2: Supplements
      For the biggest part of supplements Iíd refer you to this thread: Supplement / Herb / Drug Repository
      Also nootropics are generally often great for dreaming. The 2 most effective nootropics I know of are Piracetam and Aniracetam. They have generally very little side effects yet a huge positive impact on dreams. However in most countries outside of the US these are unfortunately only available through prescription. Some claim they arenít completely researched yet, so some risks might still be undiscovered.
      Donít forget that supplements should be taken with care and caution only.

      4.3: Unknown Factors
      Another of those small reminders. There are still a lot of unknown factors in terms of recall and some of them might be pretty much unique to some people. The only thing which helps here is paying a lot of attention to your recall in relation to what you do in your life. If you find out something interesting you should post it on DV or here.

      4.4 Recall after longer time
      This is the last point in my compendium. As I mentioned in the notes above I noticed that the memory of a specific dream after a long time passed depends a lot on the quantity of recalled dreams, the more dreams I was able to recall a night the longer was I able to recall the actual details or the feeling of the dream. And the further I got in terms of quantity the harder it became to disrupt my recall. So if you strive for a very constant recall without forgetting the details after some weeks or months, aiming for a better quantity might be your best bet.


      Personal notes: I achieved the rank Advanced in Quantity and Iím close to Skilled in terms of quality once. I indeed had 1 or 2 nights already where I remembered each and every dream I had which is quite the achievement in terms of recall. Together with this compendium I made for the community and partially for myself I strive to master the quantity soon, as well as improving the quality of my recall. Right now though my recall dropped to an average level though which is due to huge loads of work, still not really feeling at home where I live as well as not being able to execute my special personal sleep schedule and a significant lack of sleep. But it already got better and it's bound keep improving again now that things calm down.

      Edit 1: Changed 3.1 a little to make it clearer and added a very important section for light.
      Edit 2 (19.04.2013): Changed 1.3 because the statement about drugs was not entirely correct. Also made several small fixes.

      Feel free to post your own ideas or your progress here and tell my what you think of this compendium.
      I wish loads of sweet and vivid dreams to everyone
      Last edited by OpheliaBlue; 04-20-2013 at 06:31 AM.
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      Good work!
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      Actually I think this should get stickied, one of the reasons I made this thread is because this section really lacks a stickied thread where all the important suggestions come together. People constantly come here with the same problems, which is fine and understandable but I suppose a lot of them would have it easier if they just had a thread with the methods they could look into first.


      Well I know that on dreamviews I'm usually getting less replies and feedback the more detail I put into my posts which is a shame, but I guess that's just how DVs community works
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      Good work!
      The more is it worth to still get some feedback, so thanks for the nice comment
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      Personal Records so far: Max lucids per day: 2 | Max lucids per week: 4 | Max lucids per month: 8 | Max dreams recalled in one night: 17
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      I read this over yesterday, StaySharp, and I agree that it's a very good guide. I think a lot of people would find this guide valuable. I never thought of reminding yourself during your LD to remember the dream you're having. It seems like common sense now, but I never would have thought of it.

      There was only one small thing that I didn't see on here. I've read that a few people found it helpful to write down a couple of old dreams they remember. It seems to help jog the dream memory, or something. I first read about it when angie746 suggested it to someone else, so she'd be able to explain it better.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Caenis View Post
      There was only one small thing that I didn't see on here. I've read that a few people found it helpful to write down a couple of old dreams they remember. It seems to help jog the dream memory, or something. I first read about it when angie746 suggested it to someone else, so she'd be able to explain it better.
      Thanks for the feedback.
      That sounds like it could be worth adding, and just today I remembered that I maybe should add that mood and stress plays a role for a lot of people as well. It's just that I can't edit the post anymore.
      <rant> The greatest achievement of not being able to edit posts for more than 1 day is obviously so people who aren't mods/dream guides/etc. can't edit their guides </rant>

      Actually I'd be up for being a dream guide, I might not be the most active member but I'm here every day and soon I'm 1 year on dreamviews. I have accumulated a decent amount of knowledge on all areas, even those I didn't master myself yet. And seeing I seem to be ranking really high on dreamviews in terms of dream recall I would like to be able to help people with that, I consider it my special ability in terms of dreaming right now. Even from a lot of the most experienced lucid dreamers I rarely see anything indicating more than 5 dreams a night while I barely have less than 7 dreams a night, so I have to be doing something right about my recall.
      Well it's of course not my decision but I feel the community has done a lot for me already and I could give something back as a dream guide.
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      Longest lucid dream: ~35min | Highest flight: zoomed out of common existence [WTF?] | Fastest speed: FTL | DILD/EILD/DEILD [X] | WILD/VILD [X] | MILD/FILD/HILD [ ]
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      Very thorough, I like this!
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      Keep dreaming.


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      Well I have to say I liked your guide! Even though how is it possible to remember more than 7 dreams a night? and how is it even possible to remember 17 I mean we get only about 6 sleep cycles a night. Anyways I liked your guide and I find it very useful.
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      Often there is more than 1 dream per sleep cycle involved. Also you usually wake up far more often than just 5 times a night, and even on these nights I recall over 10 dreams while writing 1 down each time I wake up so I can say for sure it is possible to have that many as I already had the simply physical means to keep them apart already. And don't forget that it is possible to dream in non-REM as well, though these dreams usually have a lot less quality and most people tend to barely remember them if at all. As far as I can tell I regularly remember dreams from non-REM as well as recalling them.

      Thanks for the feedback
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      How do you tell if two dreams are actually separate or if they are just different parts of one dream and you can't remember the connection?
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      Quote Originally Posted by xdream View Post
      How do you tell if two dreams are actually separate or if they are just different parts of one dream and you can't remember the connection?
      There was a discussion in another thread a while ago but I indeed should at least briefly address that here.
      To separate dreams is totally up to the individual person. Making some mistakes while separating dreams is probably not unusual as well. A safe way to separate dreams is to know you've been awake in between, like you will likely know when using the tag-book. Otherwise you'll have to analyze your dreams, and when the differences are too big it is as safe to assume what you remember where in did separate dreams instead of dreams without connection as it gets.
      The safest way to keep them apart for me for example is to rely on the knowledge I have within my dreams, even after I wake up I often am able to keep track of what I knew when, allowing me to keep specific dreams apart.
      Personal Records so far: Max lucids per day: 2 | Max lucids per week: 4 | Max lucids per month: 8 | Max dreams recalled in one night: 17
      Longest lucid dream: ~35min | Highest flight: zoomed out of common existence [WTF?] | Fastest speed: FTL | DILD/EILD/DEILD [X] | WILD/VILD [X] | MILD/FILD/HILD [ ]
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      Awesome work StaySharp!

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      I have some personal words about the changes I made in the recent edit, primarily about the new section which involves the effect of light on recall. I didn't want to put this into the compendium as it is about how I discovered this, rather than how to make use of it. Since it is a little long I'll put it into a spoiler, make sure to read how I made this discovery if you care about the details.

      Spoiler for How I found out about the effect of ambient light on recall:


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      Awesome work StaySharp!

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      Thanks for your kind words!
      I hope this opens up a new chapter of recall development for the members of DV!
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      great thread, it has good advice. but i was wondering if thinking about dreams during the day or reading a book about dreams before bed, could increase your recall?

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      Quote Originally Posted by 8hrking View Post
      great thread, it has good advice. but i was wondering if thinking about dreams during the day or reading a book about dreams before bed, could increase your recall?
      It should, though probably not by a huge factor. Keeping dreams present in the brain throughout the day increases the relevancy the brain is willing to put on dreams. I suppose I'll add this to the thread, but it'll be a while till the next update.
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      Quote Originally Posted by StaySharp View Post
      1.3: Detrimental things
      And of course there is also a number of things which are bad for recall, nearly all of them will be mentioned throughout the threadthough, so I will only put one thing here.
      Drugs: Generally drugs are bad for dreaming, very bad. Weed, LSD, alcohol, they all decrease dream recall, and often they kill it of completely for the time being. If you want to have a really good recall, avoiding them is highly recommended.
      Excluded from this are nootropics, they will be mentioned later under 4.2.
      I don't think it is responsible to make these kinds of blanket statements. I've seen people say these things a lot, particularly in regards to weed, and I suspect that putting these ideas into people's heads forces a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. For example, for myself, LSD *dramatically* improves my dream recall and vividness both in the first sleep after dosing AND for about a full week after. In fact, LSD is what got me to pay attention to my dreams in the first place. Mushrooms does this also. Weed has had no apparent effect on my dream recall, unless I eat an edible close to bedtime, presumably because edibles last for-fucking-ever and knock me completely on my ass. However, I can wake up in the middle of the night, smoke a bowl and go to sleep and land right in vivid dreams without any issue.

      Alcohol, on the other hand, DEFINITELY ruins my dream recall for the night. My point is, I don't think it's responsible to state these things with such conviction in a stickied guide that beginners are likely to take as word of god. If you tell someone, "LSD will ruin your dream recall," and they believe it, they MAKE it true with their belief, and you've essentially installed a block in them that did not need to be there before. That's not to say it might not be valuable to mention that, for example, "SOME PEOPLE experience reduced dream recall..." or whatever, but I think these kinds of blocks are all in your head.


      Otherwise, though, this is an excellent guide! Good work
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      Quote Originally Posted by ThisWitheredMan View Post
      I don't think it is responsible to make these kinds of blanket statements. I've seen people say these things a lot, particularly in regards to weed, and I suspect that putting these ideas into people's heads forces a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. For example, for myself, LSD *dramatically* improves my dream recall and vividness both in the first sleep after dosing AND for about a full week after. In fact, LSD is what got me to pay attention to my dreams in the first place. Mushrooms does this also. Weed has had no apparent effect on my dream recall, unless I eat an edible close to bedtime, presumably because edibles last for-fucking-ever and knock me completely on my ass. However, I can wake up in the middle of the night, smoke a bowl and go to sleep and land right in vivid dreams without any issue.

      Alcohol, on the other hand, DEFINITELY ruins my dream recall for the night. My point is, I don't think it's responsible to state these things with such conviction in a stickied guide that beginners are likely to take as word of god. If you tell someone, "LSD will ruin your dream recall," and they believe it, they MAKE it true with their belief, and you've essentially installed a block in them that did not need to be there before. That's not to say it might not be valuable to mention that, for example, "SOME PEOPLE experience reduced dream recall..." or whatever, but I think these kinds of blocks are all in your head.


      Otherwise, though, this is an excellent guide! Good work
      Well you provide a counter example, but you are the first one to do so. I don't want to encourage anyone to take drugs but I will adjust that paragraph now that I've heard an actual different story. Though as said again I don't know when I'll make the next update, because that always means contacting a mod/admin and waiting quite a while.
      About the blocks, it's a topic I heard quite some opinions on. The general opinion is that believing something is bad makes it bad which I can't agree 100% on. It varies heavily depending on the individual, for myself for example I discovered I barely experience any placebo, but I heard enough stories to believe it has huge effects on other people.
      Thanks for pointing that out.
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      Wow! Fanastic post! I'm excited because I am going to be making some adjustments to my recall-improvement methods (Just got back into LDing so I'm first working on improving recall).

      The idea of a tag-book is genius, lol. I've always conceptualized a dream journal as writing as much as possible, always. But the idea of using tags seems much more efficient. It's actually a method I use to study. You associate large bodies of information with key words or phrases. Those key words then usually triggers all of the associated information in it's entirety. So I don't have to be sold on the tag method's effectiveness. I'm excited to start using it!

      The idea of adjusting DJ practices as recall improves is also a useful thing to ponder.

      Also, the Dream Map idea, I found extremely fascinating. Using a different modality of description could yield really interesting results. I plan on experimenting with this as well. I find it interesting because I often think of my dreams in terms of locations, geography, environment and much writing is devoted to that dimension of description.

      I sincerely appreciate your post as it has certainly revved up my enthusiasm about getting back into LDing. And it has also given me directions to branch off into in terms of forum reading and discussion.

      Ahhh, I'm excited, lol.
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      So I used the methods from this thread and had dramatic improvement! I used to not be able to remember anything but last night, I recalled several dreams and in great detail. I posted it in my DJ. I tried posting a link but I guess I haven't been registered long enough, .

      I'm really excited to turn this into a habit and keep improving my recall.
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      Really nice to get feedback with as much detail as that, it's interesting to see what people can do with this guide at hand
      With the next edit I guess I can put your story as the first recall success reference into the main post if you're fine with that
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      Yeah, I'm totally fine with that. I actually saved a night of dreaming using the techniques. Posted in my DJ. Everyone, I'm for reals, this sticky helps!

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      Just read this post again, Imma try sleeping with the lights on, I'll report tomorrow if I have any more than my normal 1-2 dreams a night.
      I have become quite interested on the layers of lucidity, and I use them to measure how lucid a dream is. For more information on these layers, click here.

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      It worked. I didn't recall any dreams last night other than 1-2 small fragments, but I woke up 3-5 times. I think I'll sleep with the light on more often.
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      Nice to hear it did at least a little for you and nice to get some feedback on the methods here. Feel free to post some more experiences.
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      It's been a while but I finally got around and made the second update to this compendium, it's nothing big but some changes were necessary. Have fun recalling your dreams everyone
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      Hey StaySharp, Thank you for a really great eye-opener, upon reading this, I realized that there are many factors which are typically prohibitive for me to LD, and I am working on them accordingly to increase my Chances of LDing, also, Regarding the Presence of Light, when you mean Polyphasic, does waking up in the middle of the sleep, typically 4 to 6 hours in order to write down the dreams and attempting to WILD count as Biphasic? It usually takes at-least 20 minutes or more for me to sleep, does this gap between two sessions of sleep(approx 20-40 or 1 hour in worst cases) count as a seperate phase of sleep? My room is usually well lit during the dawn from 6 onwards because it has two large windows on two sides of the walls.

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