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      "The Secret to Recalling Dreams" article

      Hey guys. So my dad's girlfriend knows I'm into lucid dreaming, so she gave me this article on recalling dreams (as pictured). What doesn't sit well with me is how it says that the sleeping mind can't make memories.

      What are your thoughts on this?

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      Interesting article, here are my views:

      1) "High dream recallers experience twice as much wakefulness during sleep as low dream recallers" - that confirms once again that recalling dreams, in a way, keeps us more "aware" during our dreams, thus enhancing our possibilities of having LD's (and that also explains why my dreams are nLD's/very fuzzy LD's when I stop recalling them every night ).

      2) "Whether awake or asleep, the high recallers showed stronger activity in the temporoparietal junction, an area of the brain involved in directing attention toward external stimuli" - that means that practicing meditation, especially mindfulness meditation during the day can actually enhance our dream recall and, consequently, our LD's.

      3) "The sleeping brain is not capable of memorizing new information. It needs to awaken to be able to do that" - That means that if we want to use our LD's to reharse real life experiences we must wake up and recall them afterwards. This boosts my motivation
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      Quote Originally Posted by seank12 View Post
      Hey guys. So my dad's girlfriend knows I'm into lucid dreaming, so she gave me this article on recalling dreams (as pictured). What doesn't sit well with me is how it says that the sleeping mind can't make memories.

      What are your thoughts on this?

      Edit: Can't upload file. Here's a direct link: http://oi58.tinypic.com/2evfd76.jpg
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      This article basically only says one thing: In waking and in sleep - the high-recallers have more activity in the temporal-parietal junction.
      Nothing else.
      Maybe all is correct - but I don't see, that it follows logically.
      The phrase "the researchers concluded" from that heightened activity, that recallers are more awake at night, does sound to me, as if they didn't actually measure that.

      Then if they would be more awake, this might be down to this junction being involved in attention to external stimuli - this activity there might make you prone to waking up at night.
      This as well is just a hypothesis of theirs.

      Then they throw in, that memories can't be laid down anew in sleep.
      I know of a recent study, which points in such a direction - but only points - and it discusses exactly, that this supposed fact is not supported knowledge or agreed upon - maybe yet - but I also would like to see the references, they are implying here.

      So this press article at least - does not provide us with a proper insight - that's what I think of it.
      But they did find something - so hurrah to them.
      And we needed the publication per se - not this article - soo - motivation to look it up maybe - and how considerate of your dad's girlfriend.
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      There's a video here that sums up the research in a little more detail.

      Whether the sleeping mind can encode new information or not hasn't exactly been proven yet - that was the whole point of this research, to look into that proposal and find out if it's true or not. But their results definitely support the idea that wakefulness helps us remember.

      Here's the relevant part of the video:

      In 1976, Koulack and Goodenough proposed that as the sleeping brain is not capable of encoding new information in long-term memory, one needs to awaken shortly during the night to encode a dream in long-term memory and then recall it in the morning.

      However, since this hypothesis was formulated, the amount of wakefulness during the night has never been experimentally measured.

      We therefore asked volunteers to come to the laboratory to sleep with electrodes on their heads. This enabled us to show that indeed, when the awakenings are measured, high dream recallers show more time of wakefulness during their sleep than low dream recallers.
      The part about the temporoparietal junction is a separate part of the study, using a different technique. So the first part of the study demonstrated that high recallers are more wakeful; and the second part, about the temporoparietal junction, suggests a possible cause for that difference in wakefulness.
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      I couldn't read the article, but one thing said,
      What doesn't sit well with me is how it says that the sleeping mind can't make memories.
      I agree with. I had this dream where I escaped from being chased into this trailer community park and ran into the main community building, and they betrayed me and called authorities to come get me. About a month later I had a dream and I was escaping from being chased and I ended up back at this exact same trailer park, In the dream I paused and thought to myself how I've been here before and found it good and beneficial that I knew my way around this community, and I purposefully avoided the main community building because last time they called the authority on me, and after all of this I never became lucid. I only produced memory from the landscape and events that happened in the landscape of a previous dream. Is that not the sleeping mind making memories? Maybe I've misunderstood what was said from the article.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Narwhal View Post
      Is that not the sleeping mind making memories? Maybe I've misunderstood what was said from the article.
      It was phrased in a misleading way. I had the same first reaction as you did. But they're just talking about dream recall.

      Our sleeping brain is bad at recording new memories - that's a given, otherwise everyone would be able to remember all of their dreams, all the time, just as easily as we remember waking life.

      Obviously we do remember some dreams, though. That's the point of this research, to find out what makes the difference. And they're suggesting that it's because your waking brain is converting your dreams into long-term memories. So the more often you wake up, the more you'll remember. Your sleeping brain creates the dream, and your waking brain stores it as a memory.
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      @Carabas, ah that makes much more sense, thanks for clearing that up for me


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      Indeed it does - thanks Carabas from me too!

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