Thread: Smokin the Reefer

And should I not smoke and be like Leo? No thanks.

Originally posted by kimpossible
And we find common-ground again.

In all seriousness, you intrigue me, Leo.

If we ever find ourselves in the same part of the world, I'd like to buy you a beverage of your choosing... I suspect we would have an amusing conversation.

Hmmmmm. Your address says Folsom.

Folsom!?

Sure! Let's meet up. When do you get out?

Originally posted by Dangeruss
And should I not smoke and be like Leo? No thanks.

Yeah, you're right.

Thinking makes my head hurt.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Hmmmmm. Your address says Folsom.

Folsom!?

Sure! Let's meet up. When do you get out?

ROFL!

The Intel campus in Folsom is larger than the prison. . . Just an FYI. Not that I would consider spending time at either of them to be much different. . .

Originally posted by Leo Volont


So, yes, it is quite perfect.... if you want to be a happy idiot. Get a Poster of Jay Dog and look at it carefully before the next time you light up.

thats so fucked up , so were idiots cuz were having a better time then you? i think not.

I don't need leo or kim to tell me I'm smart, I'm at the top of my class

Don't tell me what thinking feels like, I do a lot of it on my own time.

Originally posted by Dangeruss
I don't need leo or kim to tell me I'm smart, I'm at the top of my class .

What that most likely says about A) your class and B) the educational system is a topic for a more indepth paper than I care to write.

It should be apparent to all readers that rather than give up an old stereotype that weed turns you into a drug fiend who foams at the mouth, kim suggests that I am such a fiend, and that all teenagers in the country are even dumber.

Originally posted by Dangeruss
It should be apparent to all readers that rather than give up an old stereotype that weed turns you into a drug fiend who foams at the mouth, kim suggests that I am such a fiend, and that all teenagers in the country are even dumber.

Yeah im with dangeruss.

kim your ignorant to say the least... and you obviously have never tried smoking or else you would know that everything your saying is bullshit. Before you lecture us on how stupid we are for doing it know what your tlaking about first

So you deny the thousands of studies showing short to medium term memory loss?

And the studies showing decreased drive and motivation?


Please either provide me with the raw data for your studies or shut the hell up. You're starting to make yourselves look dumber than you [probably] are.

memory, drive, motivation: all are completely divorced from intelligence. All I know is what I know from something I call real life: I stopped doing my homework in 7th grade, and started doing it last year, right after I started smoking pot. I'm not saying your studies aren't true. I happen to think abuse of any psychoactive is a big problem in our society. If you don't have goals then pot will help you lose focus, and if you smoke all the time you're going to forget stuff, but that's not what I'm arguing against.

If you have a purpose then nothing will make you lose focus. If your drive is so fragile that something like pot can make you forget what you want out of life, then you're weak. And I think that's why you're so afraid of pot. Whatever in life excites you excites you so slightly that your interest could crumble if something like pot came along and made you question whether or not it was what you really wanted out of life.

I don't care about your studies. I've read through all the propaganda against it, and even if everything I read were true, I still would think the risk is negligible.

YOU'RE still making personal attacks. YOU still cling to stereotypes and refuse to accept that individuals might actually know what they're doing to themselves and don't care what you think. I quit smoking for good a month ago because it was in the way of my dream recall. So now that you know I'm not a pothead, how do you justify calling me dumb? This thread was meant to counsel people on the effects of cannabis and dream recall, NOT as a medium for you to shove your pompous ideas down our throats. YOU'RE the one who should shut the hell up.

Actually, I didn't see a personal attack there either. Rather a compliment. The implication was that you couldn't be as dumb as the statement made you appear.

Ok - maybe it was a backhanded compliment, but take 'em where you can get 'em is what I figure. . .

And actually, no, memory is not "divorced" from intelligence.

Hence the reason its tested in the Stanford Binet. In fact, the Stanford Binet is the most respected measure of intelligence. And the five factors measured are:

Fluid Reasoning, Knowledge, Quantitative Reasoning, Visual-Spatial Processing, and Working Memory

I'm pretty familiar with it, having shrinks following me around for years cramming it down my throat...

alright, well my working memory happens to be great. This past wednesday I learned and remembered every country in europe in two minutes. All that pot must have fried my brain! UGHHHH! ANNNHNHHH!! sorry, i resort to speaking in grunts sometimes... my memory is all messed up from my adventures with drugs and i periodically forget how to speak.

You should try shrink repellant.

yeah smoking weed doesnt effect my dream recall. i think it makes my dreams better. its never a dull place in my dreams when i sleep on a buzz

Originally posted by kimpossible
So you deny the thousands of studies showing short to medium term memory loss?

And the studies showing decreased drive and motivation?

Ohh yes, all those lovely biased researches that show how terrible marijuana is. Just like the propaganda that have been flooding this place since earlier than 1930s. Have you ever seen the movie Reefer Madness, from the early 20th century? I've heard its a great movie which talks about a guy that becomes insane and murders after taking one puff of the "reefer". Its on movie, so it has to be true, right? [/sarcasm] I rented it today, and I'm sure I'll have some good laughs at how some people thought of what marijuana is, and how sadly some people still feel about it.

Here's a website with unbiased information from researches of the government of the United Kingdom:

www.ukcia.org

If you search through it, you will find some very interesting and in-depth researches and data.

For example, the horrible memory loss you speak of is only temporary. Heavy smokers (and I mean to emphasize heavy) some memory loss, but the ability to retain memory and learn new things went back to normal after the absence of marijuana for 20 to 30 days. (from what I remember of the data).

An even more interesting research shows that marijuana impedes much less a person's ability to drive than alcohol. As a matter of fact, the government research concluded by saying that marijuana is possibly one of the least dangerous drugs to drive while under the influence (whether licit or illicit). It is not saying that it is safe to drive while high, but much safer than driving while drunk, or on coke, or on xanax, tylenol pm for example.

I hope you like reading up on those studies providing all the "raw data" you requested.

Originally posted by kimpossible


What that most likely says about A) your class and B) the educational system is a topic for a more indepth paper than I care to write.

ugh, standardized testing will be the death of us all.

Getting back to the point of the thread, the few times I've smoked pot I haven't had anything in the way of dreams (none I could remember at least). It's the same with most drugs/mind-altering plants/entheogens/whatever you want to call them.

If you want to do something worth your time try salvia divinorum, and then go to sleep. It's a legal plant that induces a dreamlike state when your awake and, from my experiences, if you go to sleep while chewing a quid (wad of leaves) you can go straight from an dreamlike concious state to a true unconcious dream. Something really impressive would be going from a state of being salvia "high" then to a LD.

just my $0.02

I smoke.....I can't recall dreams........I can't do ANYTHING in dreams.......It is my kryptonite........Unfotunatly...........

well either cut back, get more sleep, or resign yourself to never remembering your dreams.

hahah have you just started preacher?

cuz that looks EXACTLY like my attitude the first few weeks i started trying to recall my dreams.

haha i dno it's just so much easier for me to dream when I don't smoke. I think it's worth trying before you decide there's no way you'll ever remember your dreams.

After smoking weed my dreams become much deeper, more interesting and meaningful. At the same time they are somewhat harder to recall, cause the quality of the sleep is so deep.


As for Salvia and dreaming - Salvia itself lasts only a few minutes with about 20 min of aftereffects, however it still might be felt in the dreams after the session.
My first lucid moment happened while I was sick, taking antibiotics and DXM containing cough medicine. I decided to go "extreme" and smoked 2 pipes of Salvia... I went to sleep shortly afterwards, what followed was the most extreme dreaming session of my life! there were at least 5 long ass, detailed episodes the last one was so weird that I became lucid, had a second of lucidity followed by a false awakening...

All experiements after that one failed, with salvia giving me a bad case of insomnia, so I just stopped trying.

For me it would be to hard to stop smoking for a long period of time to see if it helps me become more lucid.

Originally Posted by Leo Volont

I can hardly see how being happy, ... euphoric... , could make up for all that is so detrimental. I'd rather be serious and competent. Happiness, like sex, is way over-rated. Look at all of the great accomplishments in Culture and Civilization and consider how few of them were pursued for the sake of silly grins.

omg, happiness and sex overrated?

you're the type of person i like to stay away from