Thread: fOrceez the Dream Yogi

This stuff takes a long time and sometimes people are more focused than at other times. I am thinking this class may have to be a standing feature so people can go at their own pace with no rush. The idea that anyone could get good at all of these things in only a couple months is crazy. Even the basic skills are not very easy. Even with me cutting the subject down to bare bones and an abreviated form, the process takes a long time.
So have fun, go at your own pace. I will probably keep the course open at least 6 months.

So, I spoke to Satan last night..

Originally Posted by fOrceez

So, I spoke to Satan last night..

I think you finally found a worse way to start a conversation than 'We need to talk..'

Originally Posted by Dark_Merlin

I think you finally found a worse way to start a conversation than 'We need to talk..'

That is so awesome!

So Forceez, are you going to write a DJ entry about it? Was it in an LD or trance state?

Will do! Writing it up now - shall post in here within the next hour. It was a LD though the level of lucidity was only higher towards the end.

Originally Posted by Dream

16.06.2012

Chilling with Satan (DILD)

NON-DREAM DREAM LUCID

I'm in some sort of building with red walls. Absolutely no idea about what the function of the room is.. but my objective is to kill this guy. He's standing in the corner of the room with his back facing me - perfect! Creeping up to him, I pull out my pistol. As soon as i'm about 2m from the guy, I fire two shots into his head. ... wait.. what the.. It had no effect what so ever!
He turns around, perfectly unscathed. The hell is this guy? Is he hacking? (Man... I've been playing too much Battlefield 3 ) I don't know what the fuck is going on, but I give up. At this point, I don't even care about anything. I turn around and walk up a small flight of steps which brings me to a girl sitting at a messy desk. It somehow reminds me of the receptionist of a ghetto PC gaming cafe.
After saying a few words to her, I black out..

I'm now standing infront of a red telephone booth with the girl to my right side. However, this is no ordinary telephone booth, it's actually an elevator. (Whilst writing this, I have absolutely no clue who the person coming up the lift is.) I have an incredible urge to eliminate this guy. He committed some sort of betrayal and it's seems only fair for him to die.
I crouch on all four limps and leap up onto the top of the telephone booth. It wobbles and I'm forced to stand on two in order to keep my balance.
(Can't clearly remember what happens here) but I'm pulled off the top of the telephone booth. I gain a low level of lucidity. The next thing I know, I'm talking to... Satan. Satan's wearing a black suit yet I can't seem to recall his facial features. He's now sitting on a lounge (picture one where you would lay on when going to a psychologist) with a small table next to him.
I start a conversation to him about energy work.
I start off by complaining about how the girl I arrived with wouldn't teach me energy work. He doesn't reply but doesn't seemed bothered by my presence so I continue.. "Can I try something?" No reply.
I lift my hands up so that my palms and facing towards him and start to absorb energy. "Can you feel that?" There are golden sparks flying in the air from his leg into my palm - that's his energy flowing into me.
"You're only talking a small dose, but it's very distinct."
He checks his nearby laptop and discovers an identitity of an online user. For some reason, this is quite important to him.. the user is the brother of... someone or rather >_> He says he needs to go find this person and stands up to leave, making his way to the door.
I'm eager to ask this man (whether he be Devil or not) to teach me energy work. An idea comes to me after watching "Buddha Boy" on Youtube again about Tummo meditation, generating your own body heat through.. energy? Qi?
I draw the energy from the area about an inch under my stomache to my chest, then extending it over to my hand. I place my hand on Satan's shoulder (God knows why.. I was just really eager to do some energy work!)
Satan turns his head and somewhat glares at me, though it didn't seem like a threatening glare. Moreso a "Man, you are starting to get a bit annoying." Ignoring my actions, he opens the door and walks outside.
Being persistent as I am, I follow after him. The outdoor area looks almost identical to my waking-life backyard. "Will you teach me energy work?" I ask him.
Expecting him to teleport, I stay close by him, getting ready to make contact with him to make sure he couldn't suddenly teleport away.
But.. he flies. Feeling the shift in his mindset, I grab onto his arm. WHOOSH. Man, this guy flies FAST. For the first few seconds, I'm awestuck by how fast he flies, then I decide I want to fly for myself. As I let go, I'm immediately pulled down my gravity. For a second, I just fall but then propell myself forwards as fast as I can.. It's simply not enough. I can't catch up to him. He's probably going about 3x the speed I am.. blagh.
Though I have no hope of catching up to him, I notice that we're flying over beautiful mountains with rivers flowing through the land. The landscape is absolutely spectacular..
There's also something very interesting I noticed.... Satan's energy is WHITE.

I also attempted a WILD today. I laid in bed and done conscious breathing while clearing thoughts which came into my head. I've come to the conclusion (I think) that this is probably the way I should go about it. Either with mantras or void meditation. I came extremely close to entering the dream (the feel was there) but I got too excited. Bugger. Will try again (maybe) tonight and definitely tomorrow afternoon.

A question, if you will! I understand that a Dream Yogi realises that 'realities' are an illusion.. But how can I truly understand the nature of this? Is practicing self awareness the only way?
The past two weeks, after a conversation about LDing with Dark Merlin and Mzzkc; Mzzkc said I could gain multiple lucids per night by practicing awareness of one particular thing - I chose the sense of touch. I understand that this will take a while to fully kick into my dreams, let alone grant me multiple lucids per night. But I have been wondering.. How can I fully understand that these realities are an illusion?

Bordering on the verge of lucidity last night - my awareness led me to questioning events which happened.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

A question, if you will! I understand that a Dream Yogi realises that 'realities' are an illusion.. But how can I truly understand the nature of this? Is practicing self awareness the only way?
The past two weeks, after a conversation about LDing with Dark Merlin and Mzzkc; Mzzkc said I could gain multiple lucids per night by practicing awareness of one particular thing - I chose the sense of touch. I understand that this will take a while to fully kick into my dreams, let alone grant me multiple lucids per night. But I have been wondering.. How can I fully understand that these realities are an illusion?

That is a big topic and i will do what I can to help. It will not help much, but lets start with I actually 'know' from experience that this reality is a dream. I unfortunately have no magical way of letting other people see it. With success in dream Yoga and Kundalini you actually experience the truth of this. I will share some ideas with you on how you can come to terms with it.

You know E=MC2? Energy and matter aare one in the same. That is why the atomic bomb worked. It changed a tiny portion of the bomb material back into its energy form. Think now of the atomic structure and its parts. Electrons seem to be a vibratory energy that can not be tracked like normal material. If you study light, they are still confused that it acts like a phyisical particle, but travels in a wave pattern not straight. So, from that you can get that the boundry between raw energy and the world we see is questionable. The short of it is that all that we see is composed of energy. The physical realm happens because of simple principles like positive attracts negative and repulse positive. That creats space or the concept that this little bit of energy can not stay near this other bit. Now we have two energy patterns that react to each other and the one unity becomes duality. This will not make you truely grasp that this reality is a dream. It shows that modern science can support the idea, and does not harm the concept. Energy and matter are one.
More science. They say the universe is expanding. they track the progress backward and conclude "The Big Bang" The problem is it works nicely until a few moments before the bang. Most people do not believe this is a dream, so they reach for a explaination that makes everything physical. The problem they run into is it seems to have expanded from nothing. The scientists can not accept this, so they do not say came from nothing, they say came from a spot much smaller than a single atom. The rate at which it happened is a problem also. You see at about a minute after the bang the universe was already tens of thousands of miles across. They conclude that it expanded at many many times the speed of light maybe thousand of times faster than light. What they can not handle is one moment it is not there, then suddenly it is. My point is that saying "The universe popped into existence, everywhere and instantly" makes a lot of scense here. If it is composed of dream stuff, then of course it could instantly appear and be 30,000 or more miles across when it appeared. It also makes it reasonable that it did not need pre-existing stuff for it to spring from. Why force the idea to be physical. It came from a smaller than an atom thing that contained all the heat and energy ever, but had just been sitting around, then it expands at hundreds of times light speed, sounds like a BS made up way to avoid being laughed at for expressing the thought that it all just appeared.
Picture that you know this is composed of dream stuff. In that case the whole big bang does not have any mystery. The god like creator decided to creat a universe and "Bang" it appeared. It is no more outlandish than any religious theme. It is a point of view that millions have taken, so it is not one crackpot idea.
Forceez, I will not be able to sell you on the idea in a way that will allow you to fully believe the truth of it. That will come to you with time. One thing is that it also allows fro a much more fluid and flexable world than our world seems to ordinary people. It allows for mystical and magical things to happen. I hope any of that helped. I am willing to work with you on this. All I can tell you is that eventually the yogi can "see" past the illusion. I can see past the veil/illusion and know 100% that this is much more a dream than anything else. Bare in mind that the nature of the dream is determined and in place. Laws have been created just for this dream. Laws like gravity and the steady passage of time. You, as a DC in this dream are subject to most of the rules. So, I was asked one time "If it is a dream, why don't you cut your hand off to prove it?" I answer that if I did that I would then be having "a bad dream" aand the bad dream would continue with me as a one handed DC for maybe 60 more years.

Lucid two nights ago due to WILD (however, no recall) and a lucid last night. It was supposed to be WILD, but I must have lost awareness... ended up in a DILD. Though, I did induce the dream scene. I'm laying in bed, stimulating my sense of touch, opening and closing my dream hand. I don't feel the transition and I'm suddenly in the dream, within a car, driving my friend home. I realize that I must have driven down into the wrong street or something and then come to the conclusion that I have absolutely no idea where this is.
I wonder that if it's a dream and then check my hands for extra fingers - about 20. Nice. The dream scene changes and I'm standing infront of a huge tree. It's rather dark, within the sky are two moons surrounded by darkness and even a sun surrounded by darkness. The dream is also somewhat unstable so I attempt to make it rain
Hyu has said that darkness is often a factor that suggests instability within his lucids and that the feeling of raindrops can be really helpful. I expect to feel raindrops upon my skin and sure enough, there are raindrops. I then realise I'm wearing a hooded jumper, so I'm not quite sure how the raindrops are hitting my skin- whatever.
My sight clears up from having colours blurred to reasonably blur-free. I then decide to get rid of the darkness. I pull back my hood to get a clear sight of my surroundings and it proves to present some difficulty. For the first couple of times, my attempts to pull the hood back result in nothing. I pull it back but it's still there. Fortunately, it works the third time.
I then focus my attention to the darkness. Kinda like the Bruce Almighty way of clearing clouds, I push the darkness together. It's slow progress but gets the job done. Once the darkness is (compact?), I can no longer push it together. Who knew, darkness can be compact. Lol!
I decide to make use of my surroundings and pull the darkness into the tree. With a few fancy waves of my arms, I 'grab' the darkness and send it into the tree.
Rumbling.
Rumbling and tremors.
Oh cool, earthquake. The tree is shaking violently and I suspect that it may explode. Maybe trees weren't supposed to seal darkness... Hmm.. RUN!
With little sense of direction, I bolt away from the tree, finding metal seats in my way. I jump over them, only to find my school friends sitting at a nearby picnic table. I run over to warn them of the exploding tree and that they should get ready to flee in case something bad does happen. (Loss of lucidity?) I relay some messages between the group and wake up..


I will probably write this up better, later in the day.

another WILD - short one. Copied and pasted from the WILD attempt thread in Sageous' course.

Originally Posted by me, duh

WILD this morning- a brief one. Upon wakening, I got comfy and started stimulating tactile sensations again. I moved all four of my limbs like I was running, the sensation was quite easy, then I visualised a pathway infront of me. Within 30 seconds, I'm jogging on a pathway with a slight incline, surrounded by beautiful houses.
.. then I woke up.
Seems like having nice houses around me is a dream sign. Will take note to explore one, next time.

I had a few WILDs and a few DILDs a few days ago - I was going to WILD the past two days aswell... but my mind was too distracted. Any solutions? All these WILDs have been induced through the stimulation of tactile sensations.

That is totally awesome! Very good to know some students are really able to use this stuff, and in so short a time frame. I will coppy all the above entries into the thread and give you some points for it. Thanks.

Thanks Sivason, but do you have any solution to this;

Originally Posted by fOrceez

I had a few WILDs and a few DILDs a few days ago - I was going to WILD the past two days aswell... but my mind was too distracted. Any solutions?

I am not sure WILDs can always suceed. Plan on a few days here and there that fail. It really requires a lot of meditation skills to pull off a good WILD. I am going to teach a very difficult skill soon that allows you to block the creation of new thoughts. The brain still attempts to create thoughts, but you can exert a non-thought form of pressure that prevents the new thoughts from arising from the depths they are formed in. It will be a while before I teach the skill, but you can learn more about it on your own for the moment. Look up the guy who created the "Trancedental Meditation" movement. Some where in his teachings, maybe even at the core of his teachings, he teaches this skill. I will probably reread how he attempts to teach it, before I take a stab at it.

Another WILD/DILD today. Glad that came alone, it was the first lucid in a week or two. I was starting to think I'd lose my touch. Going back to school tomorrow and I have a Physics test. Admittedly, I have been pretty slack in my practices. Will be sure to pick it up, soon.
Meditation is definitely a must... my mindset is a lot more.. brain: "AKSDFIOAJWLKTN ASF" than my usual "one thought". I just need to work out how I put it into my schedule.

My thoughts..
Just woke up from a DILD... as I was trying to go back to sleep, I laid there and tried to think about what made me lucid. Two days ago, I had a lucid where I was chased by something (or I knew something was behind me). In this dream, after defeating something 'evil' (or which I thought was evil), I became lucid. I think it was homework. I'm not kidding. I think by doing homework today, it eliminated the stress I get from school. Thus, lucid!

I often get semi-lucid due to work related stress, but I have always made myself stop dreaming, instead of using it to initiate a full blown LD. I need to work on that.

I'm lazy

Well, you are honest about it. Rember that you can change any of the lessons to better suit you. Also people like to go about their day, I suggest somehow doing variations on these and use them during daily, when you have a few minutes.

Little sleep last night. There is a weekend meditation retreat available a few hour's drive away from where I live... I think I may go. It is a little bit costly, but these past few weeks have been quite... empty. I feel as though school is not the place to be and would like to be able to focus moreso on spirituality. I have heard it gives insight to monastic life, and I think that would be great.
Hopefully, I can find someone to share the experience with.

Yes, definately seek insight, and first hand stories about monks. I personally feel that high levels of spiritual awareness can be as easily obtained in the normal world. Sometimes a monastic setting will hinder growth. Do check it out, but consider other options too. Many saintly beings spend time camping or hiking or doing art, and do not need a monistary setting. Neither Jesus or Sidhartha (Buddha) attended a monistary.

Great point Thanks for that input.
I had a DILD last night after reading through some of Sageous' stuff on self-awareness. Unfortunately, upon becoming lucid, my vision completely blacked out and I was left in darkness. Adding to that unfortunate event, I didn't even think to just stabilise through other methods or create a new scene... Bummer!

Adding onto that, I decided a retreat right now was now a good idea. There's a few things going on at the moment and I want to ease the idea of participation to Buddhism events into my family. Perhaps the next one (which is sometime in November)